This was sent to me by a poster with the screen name "22 years at BBC" (not to be confused with "25+yrs@bbc"). I think it deserves highlighting on the front page rather than being buried in the comments.
This blogger, Lindon, has posted an excellent piece on Bellevue. This was posted in a comment in the last thread with no reference to its source.
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If they DID get a lower rate by billing it to BBC, that would make it worse, not better. His wife and friend were not there on church business, but for a birthday gift to Donna from her husband.
My son is very small for his age. When he turned 11, and the 'kids meals'no longer applied to him, the waitress would try not to charge me for his meal.
Now, I could have accepted the free meal, but that would have been wrong. And that would have taught my child that stealing was ok. Becuase that is what it would have been: stealing.
SAme situation here. They were not there on church business, thus, they should not be able to take advantage of a church discount.
Not saying that they took the discount, i don't know. I am just commenting on your post.
Does anyone remember the story that Dr. R. told once about taking his kids to an amusement park in florida? I don't know if it was disney, i don't remember, but he did not have enuf money to pay for all the kids to get in, BUT, if he had allowed one of the kids to go in at a 'reduced' rate, he would have had enuf money.
However, being a man of integrity and character, they left the park rather than " steal' the admission price for one of the kids.
How blessed I was to learn so much from that sweet man of God.
ju wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen,
We can agree that it is a fact that Mrs Rogers asked that BBC make it clear to the congregation that it wasn't her husband they were talking about can we not? Can we agree that staff at the church should by now know of this request? If the answer is yes then will someone please present a transcript of the statement that has subsequently been released by BBC to clear up this confusion? I'm not aware of one. My point to all is that this is again evidence of poor decision making on someones part is it not? Yes they may have made a "mistake" not clearing Dr Rogers' name at the time. Why haven't they since corrected their "mistake"?
ju, would it surprise you to know that Mrs. Rogers was speaking of the radio station making the clarification so she would not have to appear on-air? Would you be so firm in asking everyone to agree that it is a fact that this request she mentioned was not to the church but to the program director? Are you aware of the close relationship Mrs. Rogers has with Linda Glance our pastors administrative assistant?
That sounds like the Communications Committee spinmeisters.
JMO,
Are you honestly saying that while she was talking to Mike Fleming on his show the "they" that she was referring to was Mike's show program director? She says during the exchange "people did not listen carefully". That was clearly referring to a different point in time than the actual show she was calling. I definitely would be utterly shocked if that's what she meant considering the conversation was about the integrity of AR and the statement made to the congregation. What does her relationship with Linda Glance have to do with correcting a "mistake" so the congregation is crystal clear on who they were referring to? Don't see the connection.
fedupatbbc wrote: Just for the record:
Still waiting for JMO to be specific about what I lied about.
So, how does it feel to be blogged about in a negative way without any recourse to defend yourself? I've allowed you this day to think about how it feels to have walked for a moment on the other side of the "itty bitty" fence. But I can assure you that I've logged your blogs where truth is absent. I will be traveling on business this week but we can resume this discussion upon my return. I must spend time this week defending the truth and the American way of life. If you know what I mean. So, your honor, I will ask for our discussion to be re-scheduled on the docket.
just my opinion,
I did give you the benefit of the doubt, but you erased that completely. My children would not try to pull one off like that, even when they were 2-3 years old.
fedupatbbc said...
That sounds like the Communications Committee spinmeisters.
10:20 PM, January 01, 2007
They sound like them.Do you think MJM and 61 roll their eyes as they obsucate and avoid answering
JMO:
shaking head
Just because you don't like my answers does not mean that they are "untruths".
JMO,
Would you like to delete that comment as well?
fedupatbbc said...
That sounds like the Communications Committee spinmeisters.
10:20 PM, January 01, 2007
They sound like them.Do you think MJM and 61 roll their eyes as they obsucate and avoid answering questions.
trucker said:
They sound like them.Do you think MJM and 61 roll their eyes as they obsucate and avoid answering
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yep, that's MY mental picture i am getting.
JMO,
I just viewed your profile. I'll bet you are really good at your job :)
Hmmm
how much does snake oil sell for these days?
I saw a post recently where somebody said,
"I have no answer except to say that I was wrong and I can't do that because I don't have less integrity than Steve Gaines. I can think up a good way to make it sound like I was telling the truth, however. So there."
Or something like that anyway. They must have deleted it because I don't see it now.
I wonder if it actually took him that long to think up that obfuscation of the facts? He posted that we weren't dealing in truth until we proved to him we were. Then a couple hours later he appears again with a different spin on how the comments might remotely in some bizarro universe be understood. All you have to do is look at the deference that Mike Fleming showed to Mrs. Rogers at the very beginning to know that had she asked his show to do anything concerning her husband they would have.
Tim said...
Take a look at these two excerpts:
From the radio broadcast,
Mrs. Rogers:....There is a Biblical standard, and we do, we do believe in love and forgiveness and grace, but not to maintain those people in leadership. Thank you so much.
From the Bellevue Web Site,
Steve Gaines:....I am saddened and dismayed to see this minister’s family and our own church family experience this heartbreaking situation. God wants us to respond in grace and love. Jesus forgave others and we can, too.
Does there seem to be a glaring difference to anyone other than me?
Tim,
The glaring difference is that Mrs Rogers referred to a Biblical Standard and Mr. Gaines did not, has not, and never has. He does what is right in his own eyes, or that which is politically correct for his personal gain...Sad commentary on a supposed minister.
I am anxious to find out why so many people at Bellevue are not willing to follow the Biblical Standards set forth to guide us? Could it be that they also are getting real comfortable in lessons from the "love and compassion" playbook resulting in a lack of accountability that is promoted from our pulpit?
Why has the president of the board not been brought before the church yet? Is he skating by out of love and compassion for him or his family? He should have thought about his position and his family before now! Nevertheless, he will not be given the opportunity to be brought to repentance by following scriptural guidelines, unless the Lord directly intervenes, which may happen, but from what I have heard, he is blaming others for his sin.
If he never repents and has the opportunity to be restored to the fellowship, that will be by the hand of Steve Gaines. Another "bad decision"?
Tim said...
I saw a post recently where somebody said,
"I have no answer except to say that I was wrong and I can't do that because I don't have less integrity than Steve Gaines. I can think up a good way to make it sound like I was telling the truth, however. So there."
Are you sure that wasn't Steve Gaines giving a statement for some mistake of the heart, sure sounds like him
Okay....
I know that Steve Gaines used his "BELLEVUE BAPTIST CHURCH" (that's what my friend said it said on it--plain as day) credit card to purchase a new pair of shoes and a pair of socks for a total of almost $300 at Johnston & Murphy shoe store at Wolfchase Galleria at approximately the beginning of his ministry at Bellevue in 2005.
This comes from people who worked there and saw the ticket and even showed it to others who worked adjacent to the store.
What really irked me at the time was within approximately one week of that purchase, Dr. Gaines preached a sermon and said that if anyone knows somebody who spends $500 on a pair of shoes, to please send them to him so he can tell them a better way to spend their money. This is not a quote, but I am sure you can find it in the recorded sermon. Yes, I know he only spent $300--not $500, but it says "high living" to me (my opinion, but boy, was I ever disappointed). By the way, this is not something I recently found out about. This I have known since 2005 and within a week or two of it actually having occurred.
These are "small" things that are piling up in my mind to make mountains. You can call it mountains out of mole hills, but all of these things have really caused my love and respect for Dr. Gaines to run cold.
Dee
just my opinion,
aka Ms. Billie
Steve Gaines wanted to send you a message. I am a calvinsit. Please stop trying to help me.
ju..
bizzaro universe...
I about to cry I am laughing so hard. Every few seconds I think of it and start laughing all over again.
2006 huldah
I would like to comment on the 'shoegate'
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that BBC gave SG a clothing allowance. I have no idea if that is true or not, but for the sake of this argument, let's just say that it's true.
Ok, so he buys a pair of expensive shoes ( i doubt many at BBC wear shoes that expensive) and then preaches against buying expensive shoes.
How is that justified? Personally, I think it goes under the " i have a dream" category.
tim,
bizzaro universe...almost as good as love, forgiveness and pass the biscuits...LOL
Mom4 said..
I am anxious to find out why so many people at Bellevue are not willing to follow the Biblical Standards set forth to guide us? Could it be that they also are getting real comfortable in lessons from the "love and compassion" playbook resulting in a lack of accountability that is promoted from our pulpit?
Mom maybe it gives them an excuse to accept sinful actions in their lives, without the need to repent and turn away from their sins.At Bellevue today there is no more sin, only mistakes, unless you question the leaderships actions and worse of all blog.
2006huldah,
or bizzaro world perhaps?
Oh, yes, Fedup:
I certainly do remember the story about Dr. Rogers not trying to get in DisneyWorld/Land by lying about his child's age. That was a classic! Guess that's why we have a hard time stomaching what we have to live with now.
Oh, just to have again a doer not just a hearer for a pastor.
sorry that last one was meant for fedup
Goodnight All.
It ended on a good one. I am off to chuckle myself to sleep.
goodnight Tim
Trucker,
I agree! There seems to be a greater emphasis placed on "feelings" than cold hard facts and truth. I have also heard that he holds weekly staff meetings and tells the staffers not to listen to anything or to read the blog or paper about the "attacks on the church".
He is running scared and grasping at straws to cover himself. I do wonder if he sleeps ok at night? I say he does, a sociopath or narcisistic person would, but if he is not sleeping well, it is probably bc he is thinking up stories to cover for his lack of character. Sorry if I sound sarcastic, I am just getting so very tired of the charades in his playbook.
Is there a word or terminology for asking a question in a way such that your supposition for the question is a lie? It's an intriguing tact to ask a question you know the answer to is false. It gives you a shield to stand behind such that you never lied. You just asked a question.
Goodnight all, tomorrow is a back to work day!
Hope you had a Happy New Year!
God Bless you all for the work you are doing!
mom4,
Interesting how he deflects attention from the issues to "attacks against the church"
mom4 and trucker
That last 'spin' by jmo was beyond bizarre.
Where did THAT come from? Is that the spin that they are now going to try on the statement of poor Mrs. R?
Have they NO shame?
Josh- I am still waiting on you to go on the radio and TV and correct your "statements" on the "pledge" etc. You gave incorrect facts and shed false light on that and other things.
ju said:
Is there a word or terminology for asking a question in a way such that your supposition for the question is a lie? It's an intriguing tact to ask a question you know the answer to is false. It gives you a shield to stand behind such that you never lied. You just asked a question.
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LOL, ju...I'm not smart enuf to figure that one out :)
Evening 4545,
What exactly was false in Josh's representation of the facts as he sees them? I was here during the entire threads and subsequent actions of Chuck Taylor. There really can be no other way to interpret what happened in my mind than they asked for support from the deacons and when they realized they wouldn't have 100% support Chuck dropped it. The actual letters from Mr. Taylor are posted on the Savingbellebue.com website.
Are those on this blog part of a prayer group? when do you meet and pray? Are you praying for our pastor, church, etc etc?
I am not part of prayer group but my Wife and I do pray for God's will to move in the Church.
Fedup--
I love the way you named it "shoegate". If our 49-year-old pastor (who in my own uninformed, naive opinion has shown himself incapable of shepherding even himself much less a congregation of however many thousand belong to BBC) could stop acting like a 12-year-old, full of mischief, country boy who needs a babysitter all the time to make him behave, (deep breath) then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
This is just downright ridiculous to be having to fight this battle. How could any man his age have such a huge blessing as being "called" (whether it was by God or man) to lead at a church as solid as Bellevue and then "blow" the opportunity so badly. This isn't funny; it's downright unbelievable.
BF61,
My email is in my profile so I am not sure why you cannot see it. Here is my email: Memphis2309@yahoo.com
4545,
Josh...Pledge...False Light? Please show us what was false.
just my opinion wrote:
"Mrs. Rogers did not make that staement concerning asking Bellevue to release a staement on Dr. Rogers behalf while on-air. You are not posting full truthful information."
Well, that's what it sounded like she said to me. I quote Mrs. Rogers thusly,
"And I even asked would they say that it was not my husband and Mr. Sorrell, and they did not do that."
Am I missing something here?
ju wrote:
"Can we agree that staff at the church should by now know of this request? If the answer is yes then will someone please present a transcript of the statement that has subsequently been released by BBC to clear up this confusion?"
We can agree. Here's your transcript...
"________________________."
NASS
Haha JMO has really made the day interesting NASS
2006 ( you might want to change that to 2007 :)
Anyway,
I just do not understand how Dr. R. could have had such an impact on my life regarding character and integrity, and teach me to recognize those qualities in other people, and yet,have it go sooo over the heads of the cheering, whooping throngs that occupy the seats at BBC now.
Didn't they hear the same stories I heard? Don't they read the same bible that i read?
Having come from such a dysfunctional background, Dr. Rogers did not know this, but he was my 'earthly' father. He did not even know my name, but i know that he loved me, and i learned how to read and study my bible, and i learned about INTEGRITY.
WE have a 15 year old son, and not one day goes past,that we do not discuss INTEGRITY. When I "catch" him being a man of integrity, I point it out to him. I want him to know what integrity looks like.
I"m depressed again :)
Night all. Looks like NASS is on the case so I shall retire and put baby zaphod to bed.
nite ju
there is a great game on tongiht!
Yes, fedup,
Even though I had a sweet, kind father, I have missed Dr. Rogers even more than I did my own dad when he died.
Dr. Rogers was so full of wit, wisdom, integrity, the Word, love for wife, family, vigor, fire, and all things good. How could we not miss him? But, I'll tell you this. I did not worship him. He taught us NOT to love anybody or anything above Jesus. We loved Adrian Rogers because he had a lot of the Lord Jesus in him. What a blessing he and Joyce were to allow us to SEE their love and respect for each other. It was almost like reading "Song of Solomon". It helped me and my husband. Um. :(
I imagine we all have great stories about Pastor Rogers, probably enough to fill up a whole book
Tim, Thanks for being true to scripture. I think what inmyopinion, is not understanding about this scripture is the fact that He was speaking to the Pharisees. They knew exactly what he meant by this. In any event, He told the woman, go and sin no more. HE did not just say, you are forgiven.
Jesus had the harshest words in scripture for the Pharisees. The 'religious' leaders. They were teaching one thing yet doing another. They had high expectations for everyone else except themselves.
There are several problems with what we are seeing posted here by the supporters. First of all, they cast off what they think are 'little sins' calling them mistakes, etc. But let us not forget they are building up to show a pattern of arrogance. You can't just keep writing them off. They point to a mindset. Even something as small as taking a room in a hotel for a party and billing it to the church shows a mindset of 'being above expectations'. (Read Titus)
The other thing is this misapplication of scripture making Jesus into this effiminate 'happy' Jesus where there is really no need for His huge sacrifice.
But Jesus told us He did not come to bring peace. He will divide families. We are also told in scripture that factions within the church are good because they show who are His. (If anyone cares to read deeply enough, you will find all of these)
We were given explicit instructions in Corinthians for dealing with a Paul Williams in the church. It was not done according to that explicit scripture. (And Paul made no reference to that person being an elder so the situation at BBC is even worse because of the standards set down in Titus and Timothy)
So the question becomes, is BBC a Bible believing church or not?
inmyopinion and others just want to use arrogance and vague accusations saying we don't know what we are talking about and are not in the 'in' group to know truth like he/she. Those are all strawmen arguements. Stick with scripture because there seems to be a serious lack of knowledge.
The most shocking thing that happened to me was to find out how little some ministers know about scripture. inmyopinion alluded to this when arrogantly asking Tim if he knew more than ministers about scripture.
Gee, I know more than Rick Warren. (Or maybe he knows and is twisting it on 'purpose' to fit his premise. IF so, God have mercy)
This has been the biggest wake up call to me: How few elders, ministers, teachers know scripture. There is a reason for this: Topical application. They have learned scripture in applying it to topics instead of expositorily. This is very prevelant and goes on in most seminaries and churches. That is why inmyopinion believed what he/she did about that certain scripture. It is the saddest thing of all, I think. We take a minister's word for what he is preaching when we must be Bereans. Paul commended the Bereans to the Thessalonians. He was not insulted that they checked every word he said!
Paul also publicly rebuked Peter for acting like a Pharisee. (Should Paul have done that being a sinner and all?)
No prayer groups? You are joking right? There should SEVERAL prayer groups with so many on this blog. You have time to read this stuff all day and post, but there are no prayer groups??
That shows me a GREAT deal!!
So many on here "act" like they have all the answers every day. They bash others, point fingers, and act like they have all the answers. Read all the posts on here from day one until now. Many of the posts seem to come from a bunch of know-it-alls.
You get on here and post rumors, half-truths, personal attacks and sometimes pure hate. You have the time to point fingers, but not get together and seek
God's face? This blog is 90% self-serving. It is all about the flesh and self.
Many of you get on here and start a post with "I come to you in Jesus Christ". Then the next 3 paragraphs are full of terrible things and sometimes pure hate. Then you end with another wonderful Christian statement.
You are not fooling me!
You can do all these things, but you are not all praying together??
Nass and others claim this blog is their only "voice". WHAT ABOUT PRAYER???
MANY of the "horrible" people some of you bash and spew hate about every day have been on their face in prayer for months. There are several different prayer groups that are praying for our church, our pastor, and those that are hurting for any reason. They have been going on for months.
Why are the ones on this blog not spending the same time praying? This blog and everything about it has truly taken over many of you. The "problems" at Bellevue have taken over many of you.
Why are you not in groups praying instead of spending you spare time spreading and feeding the stuff on this blog??
That speaks VOLUMES to me personally and to many others.
4545, I commend you for your bold statements on here. I know you are probably not looking for anyones approval, but you make a very very good point.
just my opinion wrote:
"ju, would it surprise you to know that Mrs. Rogers was speaking of the radio station making the clarification so she would not have to appear on-air?"
I don't know what "ju" thinks, but it would shock me! Are you serious?
NASS
4545:
Why don't you be praying for us? As bad and as phoney as we all are on this blog, I am sure God would not hear us anyway. Only someone as perfect and faultless as you can get God to hear.
And we make you sick?
bellevue friend- Yes I am and have been for months. I am not saying that we have to be in groups to pray. There is something special about it though.
2006huldah- I was waiting for someone to post something like that. Just more pointing of the finger. Nothing new.
We ALL need to be broken!
ju wrote:
"Wow I wish I could delete my comments like someone just did. JMO did you do that or did NBBCOF do that?"
Nope. NBBCOF hasn't deleted any comments today. If you check the "Remove forever?" box it won't leave the "This post has been removed by the author" comment.
4545:
You just entered into this web log in December. Tell me you have read every single thing on here and on the SavingBellevue sites. Don't lie, now. If you did read it all since December, I'll bet you must be getting behind on your praying for our church. I mean as much as you watch over us now, plus trying to catch up on the old stuff wouldn't leave much time for you. My goodness, since you haven't much time to pray for us we must be really going down fast.
You say that we "spew" hate. You spew hate. You are a perfect picture of it with your condemning words to us. You need to get the log out your own eye before you try to address us. You are not even civil towards us.
Praying does not have to be in a group. I pray all time. I live a prayer not just for Bellevue but for many things. You have an unfounded and inaccurate opinion of at least some of us.
Sorry you cannot see the truth. Until you do, I have nothing else to say to you.
Good night, All.
Dee
4545,
Uh... and your point is?
This is the third I have tried to write this post, wanting to make sure I am of the right attitude. You can see that I have also only been posting since Dec, but I can honestly say that I have read this thing completely, for you see I did not post for the longest time on here.
I also want to say that I do not think alot of people want to hear anything else that does not support their views. If your opinion does not agree with the majority on here, you are automatically labeled a "kool aid drinker" or blinded or some other name. Many could claim that this blogs attempts to also intimidate anyone posting a positive statement about BBC, or having to deal with sarcastic statements from multitudes of people.
I do believe there are some on here (on both sides) that do believe their opinions are facts. I think both sides need to practice alittle more understanding when dealing with each other. You can inform without belittling.
I know that when you post in a public forum, you open yourself up to any and all comments, I just wish they all stayed civil, and with a loving and caring tone.
My understanding is that anyone can view the credit card transactions. You have to ask and you much go to the church to see them. You will not be provided with a copy. The deacons have gone over these statements and I have heard directly from the mouths of some of these men there there was nothing questionable on the statements.
I do know that at least for a while there were offering to let anyone view them, I am cannot say for sure that this is still true so don't hate me forever if this is not still true.
Tomorrow (well today if you want to get technical) is Jan. 2nd. Why don't we all start off the new year right?
I say we pick a time- how about 12 noon- and commit to making our best efforts to stop whatever we are doing and pray for our church and each other? I know it is not always possible to get it right on the dot, but as close as possible. Even if it is just a quick one sentence prayer.
Please let me know who would be interested and if you think noon is a good time.
Happy New Year!
Bepatient. I will commit
I'm still praying and my friends who love Bellevue and stand for truth and integrity at Bellevue are praying. It's wrong for anyone who supports inapropriate behavior at Bellevue to start accusing folks standing for truth and integrity of not being spiritual. I've seen a lot of arrogance in the pulpit from Steve Gains and from people who support his ways.
The following may help you reconsider the humble part. People can choose to stick their head in the sand if they wish but don't bash anyone who sees the truth of what is going on. How can you call a pastor who calls his sheep "Hezbollah" humble. How can you call a pastor who upcharges people going on his trips so he can put the cash in his back pocket humble? How can you call a pastor that goes to another church and trashes his own congregation humble? We could go on all night long but the following may help you understand.
swtt said...
New Year's Resolutions for our Beloved Bellevue Baptist Church.
* Take the Word that we preach weekly and practice what the Word says.
* Start holding ministers on staff to the Biblical standards called for.
* Stop calling a homosexual/pedophilia act a "moral failure". Call it an abomination to the Lord.
* Start applying Matthew 18 inside the church, including Steve Gaines and the rest of the ministers.
* Stop allowing the pastor and other ministers to be above reproach.
* Seek God to call a Servant Leader to replace Steve Gaines.
* Ask the Lord to forgive us as a church for winking at the sin that has occurred from our leadership this past year.
* Forgive us for giving standing ovations to a pastor that has shamed our Lord, Bellevue, and his family.
* Stop allowing power to be in the hands of a few men who act unbiblical in church business.
* Ask God to give our leadership discernment on right vs. wrong.
* Demand accountability from the pastor.
* Demand accountability from our church lay leaders.
* All of us to test everything that is done and said with the Word.
* Create in environment where the congregation can ask legitimate questions.
* Have quarterly business meetings where the membership can be a part of what's going on and have the freedom to be informed.
* Have a pastor that doesn't look at the tithing records of deacons, teachers, choir members, and staff.
* Rely on God to touch the hearts of men/women to give out of love and not fear.
* Collect all church credit cards and let anyone who has to spend money submit an expense report to the church.
* Put the proper controls in place for spending money.
* Review the amount spent by Bellevue staff each month on eating out at local restaurants.
* Start using our eating facilities (like they were originally intended to be used) for lunch.
* Stop allowing the pastor to have personal expenses direct billed to the church.
* No longer allow the pastor to have any more birthday parties for his wife direct billed to the church.
* No longer allow the church to pay for cheerleading travel/expenses any longer.
* Never give any future donations out unless they have been prayed over and thought out.
* No longer be involved thru the pastor’s office of overcharging parishioners for tour trips led by the pastor.
* Create a separation of fiduciary commingling of staff time and Bellevue resources for personal gain of the pastor and his wife.
* Start publishing the compensation packages of the staff like 99% of the Southern Baptist churches across America do already.
* Revise our compensation package for any minister that is receiving unreasonable pay.
* Revise our bylaws so there is written guidance for our church to operate under.
* Start operating under bylaws like the Southern Baptist Convention does.
* Put restrictions on the same set of men/families filling the finance committee and other committees with a great deal of control.
* Once again place an emphasis on Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting.
* Stop allowing influential leaders to do business with the church unless there is full disclosure.
* Publish all business dealings with anyone who is a member of Bellevue.
* Allow the congregation greater knowledge of the budget and where all of the money goes that is spent at Bellevue.
* Stop hording $30,000,000 in the bank and start spending on ministries.
* Let the membership have total knowledge of how we are spending this $30,000,000.
* Stop allowing "pet" projects costing $100,000's to be spent without the knowledge of the church.
* Stop hiring "business" men to be ministers without formal training in seminary.
* Stop having leadership positions be determined by "social status".
* Allow Godly members of Bellevue who have been passed over in the past to fill leadership positions.
* Stop requiring staff members to sign a legal document prohibiting them from talking about the inner workings of Bellevue.
* Stop intimidating staff member and former staff members.
* Stop intimidating members.
* The pastor should not be able to take along men to intimidate any member.
* Trespassing into member’s neighborhoods or onto property will not be tolerated by Bellevue.
* Stop using the pulpit to preach self serving messages that misuse the scriptures.
* Never allow a pastor to be called again without the congregation knowing who he is before the day of decision.
* Full blown background checks will be done on any future ministers that are hired.
* Future pastors must want to preach on any Wednesday night possible.
* Hire pastors that don't call their parishioners "Hezbollah".
* Reject Warrenism or any part of Warrenism that has crept into our church.
* Pray that all members who profess to be Believers humble themselves before our Lord.
* Each of us search our hearts to do what God wants us to do.
* Each of us search our hearts to go where God wants us to go.
* Each of us search our hearts to be the person God wants us to be.
* Pray that we can once again fellowship with each other in love.
* Pray that Bellevue once again would be able worship in Spirit and in Truth.
* Pray that we all have the spirit of forgiveness, love, patience, and long suffering.
just my opinion said:
I wish that you dealt with facts. The radio broadcast is online and can be heard by everyone. Mrs. Rogers did not make that statement concerning asking Bellevue to release a statement on Dr. Rogers behalf while on-air. You are not posting full truthful information. You like many are dealing with hearsay and not facts. If anyone doubts me then listen to the audio itself. It is online at the WREC radio website.
OK. I listened to the audio AGAIN. Here's the part to which I refer:
"I even asked would they say that it was not my husband and Mr. Sorrel and they did not do that, and so, only for that reason, will I come on but to say on behalf of my husband's integrity.."
To say that "they" refers to the radio station is you not wanting to face unpleasant reality. I don't listen to Fleming much, but I've heard him enough to know that if she had made this request to him, he would have honored her request without making her come on the radio to make her statement. "They" refers to the BBC, Inc. NO way around it.
P.S. Sorry if I'm being redundant to other posts.
THERE'S BEEN A NEW THREAD STARTED SINCE THIS ONE IS GETTING SO LONG. PLEASE MOVE UP!
Thank you,
NBBCOF
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