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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 725 of 725Lucy,
HOW do you know this? Can you email nass and tell?
Are you on the inside?
advice from lucy,
I think you should win some kind of award for most creative username. Love it.
William T. Loney, MD, was pretty cute too.
Lucy,
I did notice a definite and welcome change in TR's tone yesterday. But I just figured Mrs. TR had gotten on the computer. It wouldn't be the first time a poster's tone noticeably softened. I guess we'll see what, if anything, happens Sunday. I don't think they have the guts to kick the "dissenters" out. That wouldn't play well in the Commercial Appeal Monday morning.
SOTL,
One minor detail which has no bearing on your point -- Donna's sister was not standing right next to Donna, but she and her teenage daughter were seen sitting about halfway back in the front, center section next to Mr. and Mrs. Dempsey Dodds, Donna and her sister's parents. I believe her sister's name is Julie Rosenberger and that she is a member of Independent Presbyterian. However, both Ms. Rosenberger and her daughter were witnessed voting on every single motion!
Makes you wonder how many other "visitors" voted, doesn't it? Did they really think no one would know them? Aren't they even a little bit emabarrassed by this? Or ashamed? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. It's just "bizness" as usual.
The Dodds family was seen standing and applauding loudly several times, even after Bryan Miller repeatedly asked people to refrain from such behavior.
After the vote to adjourn, Dempsey Dodds was said to have turned around and smirked at the people sitting behind him who had voted in the minority on some of the motions as well as against the motion to adjourn prematurely. Donna's sister reportedly turned around and angrily announced to these same Bellevue members that they "aren't a part of the ministry of this church, and it's time for you to go." Now isn't that a lovely sentiment coming from the pastor's sister-in-law? Or any Christian for that matter. But the irony is she's not a part of Bellevue at all and had no right to vote on anything! As I said, it's just "monkey business" as usual. I hope the pastor and Donna are proud of their family members' behavior. They should all be ashamed and embarrassed.
NASS: Just when I think I can no longer be shocked, it happens again. It is hard for me to even fathom the gall it would take to come to someone else's church and vote on their business! I am speechless...and for me, that's saying something!
Ah, anyone else look at the petition lately?
Lucy: I agree with Socwork...your name is great! Are you saying we all need to be there Sunday?
more of the same...
Socwork: What's up with that? Has it all been erased?
socwork,
Apparently the petition expired or something because it's gone. Maybe Phil and Greg Punxsutawney saw their shadows!
NASS and Socwork: I don't think it accomplished what was thought it would accomplish. Very interesting......
At the urging of several others, I have removed the petition in support of Brother Steve. There was a feeling that too many were using it as another tool to bash the pastor. It had become an apparent source of distraction and pain.
Final results:
466 legitimate signatures
145 deleted signatures
1 signer subsequently requested signature deletion
Thank you to all who assisted me in spotting the bogus signatures and comments. Thanks for all the kind comments from so many.
Ima: Question.....Is Lee Stroble on staff at Willow Creek? I went to their website but couldn't find their list of staff. Thanks for any help you can give!
concerned: I know that Lee Strobel used to be on staff at Willow Creek. Seems like I heard he is not anymore, but I can't remember for sure.
Concerned,
You didn't ask me, but Lee Strobel resigned from Willow Creek several years ago (circa 2000) to accept a position with Saddleback Valley Community Church. Whether he remains on their staff I do not know.
Soc and Doc :)
Thanks for the info...from the fire into the frying pan, it sounds like. Gosh, I'm getting to the point where it is difficult to trust anyone.
okay, don't take that wrong...all our trust should be placed in the Word. But there have always been great men to spread and explain the Word: Martin Luther, Billy Graham, etc......and now it's getting more difficult to trust anyone. It seems as if the deceiving is coming from all sides. Sorry...don't mean to be negative.....
Concerned,
You have been informed correctly. He did leave Willow Creek to go to Saddleback. Sort of like jumping out of the frying pan into the skillet wouldn't you say? Don't know if he is still of staff there or not. He may have gone out on his own...not sure. Here is his schedule right here.
http://www.leestrobel.com/Schedule.htm
SBS,
It is sad that those who oppose our pastor childishly chose to deface that petition of support with their insults.
It is telling that in just a few days it had many times more signatures than the petition opposing the pastor has garnered in well over a month.
In His service and yours,
Derrick Calcote
dcalcote@msn.com
From Lee Strobel's bio:
"He joined Saddleback Valley Community Church in Lake Forest, CA, as a teaching pastor in 2000. He left Saddleback's staff in mid-2002 to focus on writing. He is also a contributing editor and columnist for Outreach magazine."
Derrick,
It is sad. Don't assume that all who "oppose" the pastor also engage in childish games.
Hey, guys...please pray NOW...2 of my children are at Crichton and they are in lockdown because there is a gunman lose.
Derrick,
Be fair - just as many immature, childish trick were wrought upon the petition against ordaining David Coombs. Don't fool yourself - the David Coombs was "hijacked" several times.
karen
DC,
Socwork is right. You must also remember that what these people 'oppose' is that they have been either run off themselves or they are in opposition to the administration, including the pastor, for having run others off. There are people in pain, in severe pain, because they have lost their church. You people need to be sensitive to this, instead of continuing to add to their pain. Can you not understand this? Is it so hard to understand? Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it hasn't happened to others. But you need to remember that it could. Easily, it could. Any of you could be next.
concerned: praying
concerned,
While I'm sure your "shock" about the business meeting was rhetorical, I ask why are you shocked?
You live in a town where felons and dead people elected a senator. And you're surprised that the voting deck at BBC is stacked?
It wouldn't suprise me a bit if phone calls to West Jackson supporters of Steve Gaines were called to "come on over to Memphis" last weekend. Not saying it happened; just saying it wouldn't surprised me.
karen
Karen: I know you are right...I guess I just can't imagine me voting because I knew it would be wrong....I guess it's hard to imagine others willfully doing wrong. But you are right...I shouldn't be shocked. It's sad that we shouldn't be shocked.
socwork said...
Derrick,
It is sad. Don't assume that all who "oppose" the pastor also engage in childish games.
socwork,
I don't assume that.
However I will say that while it disappointed me, it it not sunrise me to see many of the "regulars" (including the administrator) of this blog point out many of these childish post and giggle about them like schoolgirls.
socwork: Thank you so much...I'll let you know what happens.
Karen...
I was very concerned about the voting in the business meeting. I thought GBC handled that beautifully. Of course the people you need in control are not. That is the problem. What a sham. Sham not shame...or both actually.
Derrick said:
It is telling that in just a few days it had many times more signatures than the petition opposing the pastor has garnered in well over a month.
SOTL says:
Derrick you are wrong. The petition opposing the pastor was only up for a few days...less than a week, actually. And it is telling that we garnered as many signatures in that short length of time as this one did. Given that 30,000 members less 4 or 5 trouble makers are in support of the pastor, I would say that the results on your petition are pathetic...actually, quite sad.
Karen,
People in power become more and more brasin when no one is willing to hold them accountable.
Absolute power corrups absolutely.
Derrick,
Do you have a swimming pool? I think we are having a party there on Sunday afternoon.
ima,
Sham is a good word for it. I know it's been pointed out before, but I listed to the audio file over at savingbellevue.com. Bryan Miller referred to the motion by Josh as "homosexuality" when in fact it was a motion about "sexual immorality" that was adopted by the SBC in 2002. I would hope he'd be familiar with the statute adopted by the SBC and would have listened more carefully to what Josh actually said in the motion. To me, it seems like he wasn't listening, didn't care about the motion or was ready to go to lunch. Either way, it did a disservice to the membership that are serious about issues transpiring at BBC.
karen
SOTL,
That is not accurate.
The opposing position is still up.
It has been gathering signatures since Feb. 21st.
Out of the 123, nearly 1/2 of the signatures are either "Anonymous" or some obviously false name.
Of the 70 names that seem legitimate, there are some that are by non members, such as James Sundquist.
SOTL,
There you go with those dreams again!! :) Be careful, remember what happened to Joseph when he told his brothers about his dream!
I'm not sure what the "pool" talk is about, but no... I do not have a swimming pool.
OK folks, the party's off.
Stay tuned for next dream.
Sotl,
I can't say anything else. I am just dealing with the info already given.
SocWork,
I do like my name. It fits me. Thanks. I'm happy to receive any kind of award.
NASS,
Yep, some change took place. We'll see if the change is real or not in 3 days.
ConcernedSBCer,
I'm glad you like my name. I do too!
TR said "major announcement". To attend or NOT to attend? That is the question. A pack of wild horses could NOT pull me away from there. I don't want to miss the 'announcement'.
Lucy
Whew! So much counseling! I've got to stop now for a break. Oh shoot, ya'll are all friends, so no charges today ;)
Concerner,
Regarding Cricton, I have a friend on staff and she said the police and SWAT are there and they've sent all the staff home. It's rumored there is a woman with a gun on campus. The good news is there are no ambulances out there and my friend stood around in the parking lot for 30 minutes before the police ordered everyone in the parking lot to clear out.
karen
Does anyone know who Jim Angel is?
It was obvious he got a signal from the podium or someone to stand up and end the meeting. Does he do business with the church? Why would he be a part of something this wrong?
derrick calcote wrote:
"However I will say that while it disappointed me, it it not sunrise me to see many of the "regulars" (including the administrator) of this blog point out many of these childish post and giggle about them like schoolgirls."
Lighten up, Derrick. I thought most of those comments were uncalled for as well, but I thought Punxsutawney Phil was funny. It wasn't vicious. It was just funny, and I was so impressed anyone could spell that name correctly.
Besides, we saw firsthand what "giggling schoolgirls" look and sound like at the March 18th budget meeting. Jamie Parker and Chip Freeman gave us a vivid picture that day!
Could it be that there was some information revealed in some of those petition comments that struck a little too close to home for comfort?
"Jesus said that HE would build HIS church - He doesn't ask or need us policing the 'unapproved' activities that we don't like."
REally? That statement negates many of the Pauline Letters to the churches.
NASS,
I am not sunrised about anything these days. You?
Ima
Besides, we saw firsthand what "giggling schoolgirls" look and sound like at the March 18th budget meeting. Jamie Parker and Chip Freeman gave us a vivid picture that day!
Do tell...did the "8 x 10 glossy" flash his pearly whites too much (lighten up folks, I've called Jaime that since before he went to Gardendale and I've called him that to his face; or I would)
ima wrote:
"I am not sunrised about anything these days. You?"
Nope, ima. Nothing "sunrises" me these days either -- which is pretty sad, you know?
Has anyone seen Elder Harry Smith, Elder Chuck Taylor, Elder John Caldwell, Elder Jeff Arnold Jr., or Elder Steve Tucker lately in church?
IF someone has a swimming pool, would you please invite OC over? He's going to be SOOO disappointed when he learns that there is no party. He's standing at the door with his snorkel and fins, and his froggie intertube around his waist.
I"m sorry OC :)
Nathan,
I saw Elder Steve Tucker on Sunday.
( refraining from any other comment)
( slapping fingers!! stop!! stop!! )
PUSH ENTER
support brother steve,
Aww, come on..put it back up.. I was learning some interesting things from it!!
SOTL,
I don't know about the swimming party, but I do want to be invited to this lunch you're having. When and where is that?
karen
EWWW! I was post 666!
Did you know that a venti Chai Frappachino and a Chocolate Creme muffin from Stabucks costs $6.66. See, chocolate is from the devil!
karen
Karen,
I think you may have a case of hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia.
Junk,
Show off! :)
karen
Message #670
Dont miss this encouragement for todays beleagured Saints
THE OLD RUGGED CROSS
THE OLD RUGGED CROSS
Karen! I resemble that remark!!
junk99mail,
If I remember correctly, that is a condition caused from a subtropical bug bite. Right?
Derrick: Thank you so much for your posts and your stance for Christ and the Word of God and for Bellevue and Brother Steve
4545,
Would you do me the courtesy of dropping me an e.mail?
dcalcote@msn.com
Thanks
rrrIt is so sad to get on here and see all the name calling and disrespect. The nerve of some to get on here and name call and bash wonderful men of God that have served our Lord and Bellevue for many many years.
MOST of you know really know nothing about these men and their families, but you think it is ok and the CHRISTIAN thing to do to get on a blog and bash them and their families.
You will be held accountable.
From what have seen on this blog from some of you, it is really hard to tell some are Christians. The pure hate filled attacks that is spewed everyday. BUT, from that, would it be far for me to use your own real name on this blog and bash and disrespect your families? The answer is no. From what I see on here, I wonder, but do I trully know you, in most cases no. That fact is the same with these men and their families some of you spew hate about every day. You do not know them and yu need to look in the mirror at yourself.
Even that aside, even those that do know them and their families and have the "facts", you are guilty of slander!! You seem to not care at all. Many of you will ignore this post and my words and somehow ignore the attitude of your own heart and the things that you say on this bog daily. You will ignore scripture and what the Word says when it applies to YOU, but hold every elses feet to the fire on everything they do.
4545,
While I appreciate your comments to Derrick, are we that do not support Steve Gaines 100% not taking a stand for Christ and the Word of God? It has been a running theme with you and others that aren't on your "side" (for lack of a better word) that we're either for Steve and in the Will of God and a good cause for Christ or we're not. Why can't it both? Why can't Derrick and I both be in the Will of God even though we disagree on leadership issues at Bellevue? The good thing is this is that Derrick and I have met in person, we've discussed issues, we've emailed and we've talked on the phone. He feels his position just as passionately as I do. I don't understand why those of us who wish for truth, total transparency and respect for the sheep are now deemed to be out of the Will of God? From what I can remember, the only comments I've received from you are "hate filled", "gossip", and "wow" (my personal favorite). Please know this is not a cut toward you at all - it's just an obersvation. And I admit there has been this type of behavior ("your post was good because you agree with me" or "you're hate filled because you don't agree with me") on both "sides" so don't think I'm coming down on only one "side". I just like to make observations and see where the conversation goes.
Thanks!
Karen
ima,
No, that's called cooties. Similar pronunciation, though.
ima,
Are you saying I'm buggy?
karen
"You will ignore scripture and what the Word says when it applies to YOU, but hold every elses feet to the fire on everything they do. "
Hey!~ That sounds familiar! Oh yeah!... that is what Gaines...THE PASTOR...does.
Karen: I'd be really sunrised if you are buggy Karen. Nope, maybe other things...but not buggy. No.
Junk: I have the pronounciation down!
imaresistor said...
Karen: I'd be really sunrised if you are buggy Karen. Nope, maybe other things...but not buggy. No.
Junk: I have the pronounciation down!
The only thing buggy is Bellevue's moonbats...er I mean Leadership
SupportBrotherSteve,
I would appreciate it if you sent me an e.mail.
dcalcote@msn.com
taken from "The Old Rugged Cross", Andy and Berit Kjos
This new "reformation" focuses on human goodness and ignores human depravity. It leads to pride and blindness, not humility and repentance. It assures sinners that their good deeds merit God's approving smile, while it hides their actual need for the cross.
Steve Gaines preached Sunday that the sinner needs to acknowledge that God loves him to be saved.
This good deed will merit God's approving smile and God will save him. Steve does not believe in total depravity. He does believe in some variation of depravity that allows the sinner to determine a degree of his own destiny.
So he is a part of this new "reformation". It is apparent that it leads to pride and blindness and not to repentance and humility.
Anyone know of any good churches with a good group that focuses on single adults?
Watching: This ties closely to what I have been saying all along.....the PDL/CGM models DO NOT teach the whole character of God. It only talked about the merciful, happy, joyful side, not the Holy, Righteous, and Judging side. We have to admit and understand our sinfulness or we will never understand our need for a Savior.
At 5:29 PM, March 29, 2007
WatchingHISstory said...
Steve Gaines preached Sunday that the sinner needs to acknowledge that God loves him to be saved.
junk99mail says...
Can you elaborate on this point? I wasn't there and have not heard the sermon or invitation -- are you saying that SG said that ALL a person needs to do to be saved is to acknowledge that God loves him? If so, of course that is not the only thing required for salvation. Or was he saying that acknowledging God's love for us is a part of what is needed for salvation? Could he have just been saying that one part of the human response of the faith that is necessary for salvation is for the person to understand, affirm, and agree with God's loving desire for the person to be saved? Salvation requires repentance and faith, which require us to know, understand, and agree with the truth about God (His holy and loving nature) and about ourselves (our sinful and wretched nature). Just looking for clarification on what you understood him to be saying.
Koragg: Been looking for that for 7 years. I have given up. Sorry. :(
When you take into account worship style and theology, the singles ministry seems to be way down on the totem pole.
I just wanted to let you all know that all the kids at Crichton are home safe and sound. It was pretty intense for a while but the police did a great job in getting them all out safely. Thanks for your prayers.
junk99mail
It was a very short message. (less than 5 min) He just said that the sinner has to acknowledge that God loves him and that was his altar appeal. I didn't put the word 'just' in.
Koragg: Been looking for that for 7 years. I have given up. Sorry. :(
When you take into account worship style and theology, the singles ministry seems to be way down on the totem pole.
That sucks. I feel like an outcast when I go into a sunday school class of people my age and its all married couples with me being the only single guy lol.
junk99mail
Is God just holy and loving?
Just looking for clarrification of what you believe about God.
Give it a rest, 45..we're still waiiting for your proof that we post lies and slander.
You rain away last night, and now you are back this afternoon, thinking that we have forgotten that we have asked you for your proof?
You can sure dish it out, but you can't take it!!
karen said,
I don't know about the swimming party, but I do want to be invited to this lunch you're having. When and where is that?
sotl says:
Karen, I dont' know yet, I'll have to get back to you after I dream about it.
4545 said
Even that aside, even those that do know them and their families and have the "facts", you are guilty of slander!! You seem to not care at all. Many of you will ignore this post and my words and somehow ignore the attitude of your own heart and the things that you say on this bog daily. You will ignore scripture and what the Word says when it applies to YOU, but hold every elses feet to the fire on everything they do.
Piglet says:
So what do you suggest, then? If folks in leadership, that are held to a higher standard, sin against God and the membership we should...shhhhhh...keep it quiet so they can go on doing it or it's called SLANDER?
Wouldn't that be convenient for them and our pastor?
And you're so concerned about hateful attitudes, why weren't you upset when Jim Whitmire, Rob Mullins, David Smith, Mark Sharpe and others were treated so hatefully? Was that okay?
I suppose if it weren't for all this SLANDER then so many folks wouldn't know about it would they? What a shame.
WOW. Sad. And so on.... :)
Derrick,
I can be reached at ilovebrothersteve@yahoo.com
45 said:
Derrick: Thank you so much for your posts and your stance for Christ and the Word of God and for Bellevue and Brother Steve
sotl says:
Hmmm, from this post, one would have to assume that standing for Christ and the Word of God is the SAME thing as standing for Brother STeve.
In other words, you cannot stand for Christ and the Word of God if you do not support the pedophile-harboring pastor.
Derrick and Support Brother Steve,
Why won't the leadership of BBC hold monthly meetings in accordance with Section III of the BBC bylaws?
Do you support the leadership in their refusal to adhere to the ruling documents of the church?
Should the leaders only follow the rules when it is to their advantage?
Does it set a good example for others to ignore the church polity you are under?
bin wonderin,
Get ready!! You are about to be called a liar and a slander for your post!!
When 45 has no answers, he either runs away or he says that you are posting slander.
ilovebbc wrote:
"Just to clear up one thing that I'm not has been corrected. Donna's sister was not standing by Donna."
You must have missed my 12:26 p.m. comment which indeed corrected that irrelevant detail.
Now, let's talk about the real issue which is that non-members, namely the pastor's sister-in-law and niece, were voting on every motion that was made. Of course, I'm just waiting for the expected response. I'm surprised no one's come up with it yet. Anyone? 4545? Derrick?
Of course non members cannot vote. There is no excuse for the family of Dr. Gaines voting. They can't be that ignorant of the rules.
There may be some thought of the rules applying to them, though.
Just sayin'
SOTL,
Derrick has no pool. Now what? :(
And yes, 4545, I'm baaaaaack!!!!
concerned said
"It (PDL/CGM) only talked about the merciful, happy, joyful side, not the Holy, Righteous, and Judging side. We have to admit and understand our sinfulness or we will never understand our need for a Savior."
junk99mail, You said God is holy and loving. Do you agree with the above?
Thank you (and welcome back), bin wonderin. Although that was the logical response, it really wasn't the one I've been bracing for!
Bin Wonderin said...
Of course non members cannot vote. There is no excuse for the family of Dr. Gaines voting. They can't be that ignorant of the rules.
7:19 PM, March 29, 2007
Hey Bin Wonderin,
We are talking about Gaines here. Of course his family voted because Gaines has no regard for rules. ANd thats been documented by the fence jumping.
Thanks - I've been out here lurking.
You realize I won't be able to sleep unless I'm supplied with the "correct" answer for why non members can vote at BBC. I hope someone that can explain this to me shows up soon.
At 6:20 PM, March 29, 2007
WatchingHISstory said...
junk99mail
Is God just holy and loving?
Just looking for clarrification of what you believe about God.
junk99mail says ...
God is just, He is holy, and He is loving. But He is more, too. :)
Junk: :)
It takes it all, doesn't it?
Phil413: The question is...fine in who's eyes? Somehow, I don't think a comment like that...and behavior like that, is making our Father very happy.
concerned (amd watching),
We could never tell the whole of who and what God is! And all that God is, is found in Jesus!
Quick sermon for ya:
In Genesis, He is the Creator God.
In Exodus, He is the Redeemer.
In Leviticus, He is your sanctification.
In Numbers, He is your guide.
In Deuteronomy, He is your teacher.
In Joshua, He is the mighty conqueror.
In Judges, He gives victory over enemies.
In Ruth, He is your kinsman, your lover, your redeemer.
In I Samuel, he is the root of Jesse;
In 2 Samuel, He is the Son of David.
In 1 Kings and 2 Kings, He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords
In 1st and 2nd Chronicles, He is your intercessor and High Priest.
In Ezra, He is your temple, your house of worship.
In Nehemiah, He is your mighty wall, protecting you from your enemies.
In Esther, He stands in the gap to deliver you from your enemies.
In Job, He is the arbitrator who not only understands your struggles, but has the power to do something about them.
In Psalms, He is your song—and your reason to sing.
In Proverbs, He is your wisdom, helping you make sense out of life and live it successfully.
In Ecclesiastes, He is your purpose, delivering you from vanity.
In the Song of Solomon, He is your lover, your Rose of Sharon.
In Isaiah, He is the mighty counselor, the prince of peace, the everlasting Father, and more. In Jeremiah, He is your balm of Gilead, the soothing salve for your sin-sick soul.
In Lamentations, He is the ever-faithful one upon whom you can depend.
In Ezekiel, He is the one who assures that dry, dead bones will come alive again.
In Daniel, He is the ancient of days, the everlasting God who never runs out of time.
In Hosea, He is your faithful lover, always beckoning you to comeback—even when you have abandoned Him.
In Joel, He is your refuge, keeping you safe in times of trouble.
In Amos, He is the husbandman, the one you can depend on to stay by your side.
In Obadiah, He is Lord of the Kingdom.
In Jonah, He is your salvation, bringing you back within His will.
In Micah, He is judge of the nation.
In Nahum, He is the jealous God.
In Habakkuk, He is the Holy One.
In Zephaniah, He is the witness.
In Haggai, He overthrows the enemies.
In Zechariah, He is Lord of Hosts.
In Matthew, He is king of the Jews.
In Mark, He is the servant.
In Luke, He is the Son of Man.
In John, He is the Son of God.
In Acts, He is Savior of the world.
In Romans, He is the righteousness of God.
In I Corinthians, He is wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption.
In II Corinthians, He the triumphant one, giving victory.
In Galatians, He is your liberty; He sets you free.
In Ephesians, He is head of the Church.
In Philippians, He is your joy.
In Colossians, He is your completeness.
In I Thessalonians, He is your hope.
In I Timothy, He is your faith.
In II Timothy, He is your stability.
In Philemon, He is your benefactor.
In Hebrews, He is your perfection.
In James, He is the power behind your faith.
In I Peter, He is your example.
In II Peter, He is your purity.
In I John, He is your life.
In II John, He is your pattern.
In III John, He is your motivation.
In Jude, He is the foundation of your faith.
In the Revelation, He is your coming King.
In short, He is everything you need.
“He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.’’ (Colossians 1:17)
junk,
Thanks for posting that - it's one of my favorite parts in the Passion Play.
4545,
I haven't seen a reply from you to my post from this afternoon. Do you only post to those you deem worthy, i.e., agree with you and show blind devotion to Steve Gaines?
karen
"Jim Whitmire, Rob Mullins, David Smith, Mark Sharpe..."
Lil Piggy,
These folks names come up from time to time, but they are from a chapter before my entrance into the forum, so would you mind getting me up to speed?
da Cakes
Hi, Cakes! Shagnastie!
True or false:
Under Roberts Rules of Order after the chair has announced the results of an affirmative vote on a motion to adjourn no other action by any member is allowed.
Junk99,
Funkadelic.
junk99mail
I can't find your loving god in your list, otherwise a great sermon!
This is what the SBC believed about fallen man before they became emergent. They started emerging in 1963.
He was created in a state of holiness under the law of his Maker, but, through the temptation of Satan, he transgressed the command of God and fell from his original holiness and righteousness; whereby his posterity inherit a nature corrupt and in bondage to sin, are under condemnation, and as soon as they are capable of moral action, become actual transgressors.
Hey, I've quit the nasty cigarettes now over 2 1/2 weeks and I feel great.
I guess next I'll tackle swearing, then gluttony.
Eventually, women.
I John 4:7-8
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
In 1963 they dropped "He was created in a state of holiness under the law of his Maker" and added this:
Man was created by the special act of God, in His own image, and is the crowning work of His creation. In the beginning man was innocent of sin and was endowed by his Creator with freedom of choice. By his free choice man sinned against God and brought sin into the human race.
Cakes!
Basically all those guys and others not named either questioned SG or he thought they may...Jim Whitmire was the music minister for 30 years or so. The day he announced his retirement...very soon after SG arrived, SG brought up Jim's replacement a few minutes later.
Mark Sharp was one of the very first to speak out about the freaky finances. He was a deacon ,I believe.
Rob Mullins was the college minister. David ,the sweetest minister . There are more names of people that were made to leave or quickened....SG knew to seal the deal with a confidentiality agreement with most of them. Put the fear into others and has kept most from talking.
Bin Wonderin said...
True or false:
Under Roberts Rules of Order after the chair has announced the results of an affirmative vote on a motion to adjourn no other action by any member is allowed.
8:10 PM, March 29, 2007
In the case of the meeting Sunday...False. According to Roberts Rules, the motion to adjourn lost its priviledged status because there was no provision made pertaining to a future meeting. Because of this, the motions that were already on the table should have been addressed before the motion to adjourn.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Cakes,
Congrats for giving up that nasty habit!!!
Trying to get someone fired up with the other remark????
junk: I love that! Everytime they did it at BBC, when they got to "In Revelation He is the King of kings and Lord of lords" I was always crying. It is so powerful. Thank you.
Genesis 3:13-14
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
whereby his posterity inherit a nature and an environment INCLINED TOWARD SIN, and as soon as they are capable of moral action become (delete actual) transgressors and are under condemnation. Only the grace of God can bring man into His holy fellowship and enable man to fulfil the creative purpose of God. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every man possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love.
They broke with the traditional orthodoxy of 1925 and sought a seeker friendly stance in 1963. So they were the pioneers of todays emergent churches.
Also, the mikes were turned off and the leaders ignored the objections(don't know what the terms are exactly)that were properly made according to Roberts Rules.
It didn't matter how well the rules were followed. The agenda and outcome had already been decided .
Karen said, 4545,
I haven't seen a reply from you to my post from this afternoon. Do you only post to those you deem worthy, i.e., agree with you and show blind devotion to Steve Gaines?
Answer: yes. And he/she must be a track star, he/she runs an awful lot.
Karen, hey, I thought this was my rabbit. :)
The Commercial Appeal will have a large number of references in Sunday's edition. I believe that it will be on Wendy Thomas' page as well. This has been confirmed to be correct. Stay tuned should I know of anything additional about the subject. I found some interesting information out that I will post Sunday which will provide some background.
So Gaines is a part of this new "reformation". It is apparent that it leads to pride and blindness and not to repentance and humility. Men before 1963 would not allow such actions of their ministers, but that was before they were emergent!
Oh, I'm sorry gmommylv; I mean no harm to anyone or anything but my ignoble reputation, dusted up so lately. It would make me so sad, dear, to think I'd insulted you.
Please pardon me for always being so obtuse.
Too much Joyce, I guess.
Cakes
Just logged on and saw that you got most of your answer from gmommylv.
I would like to add that Jim Whitmaire is hugely talented, responsible for bringing the Singing Tree and the Passion Play to BBC as well as the banner ministry. He is known in SBC churches all over America for his talents in the music ministry.
When Gaines came Jim had aprox. 6 months before his retirement. But Gaines couldn't wait and brought in Jamie Parker (who used to work under Jim) and basically threw Jim out of his office and said he now worked for Jamie. Other things have been said about his treatment and humiliation of Jim Whitmire that I won't repeat.
But 4545 was not appalled at the hate then!
Rob Mullins and David Smith were much loved ministers who were pushed out for not "falling in line" one way or the other. Mullins had to read a statement before the church that was written FOR him and was untrue.
Mark is the deacon who started this whole thing by asking questions and getting stripped of his deacon title. Gaines called him "Hezbollah" for informing church members of his shenanigans and tried his best to ruin his reputation. Our own teacher told us Mark was just upset because Gaines was not Dr. Rogers!! We knew Mark and we knew better than that!!
Somehow it was okay for Gaines to treat our friends and beloved minsters this way but NOT okay for us to call him on it...right 45?
To 45: Pick your answer below:
1. LIES!
2. More hate and slander
2. You're right. He was a jerk to these people and shouldn't get away with that, being a pastor and all.
(A piggy can try can't she?)
tanks Piggy
Former President Clinton is coming to town on Saturday. Perhaps SG can go and sit with his mentor. Maybe pick up a few new 'tricks'..quivering lip, crying on cue, lying, manipulating, smoke and mirrors.
What a world of knowledge Bill Clinton could bestow on SG, or wait, maybe the other way around.
THERE'S A NEW THREAD WHERE YOU CAN CONTINUE THESE DISCUSSIONS. PLEASE MOVE UP!
Thank you,
NBBCOF
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