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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 588 of 588OFG said,
I have tried to bring truth to the blogs, but your hearts have turned to stone and your ears and eyes are closed.
Really? Do you mean this? Do you not see the irony in judging those on this blog this manner?
I think it would be just the opposite, since we are "seeing" so many problems... our eyes and ears are open and those who deny the very visible problems are the ones with their eyes and ears closed.
As far as stony hearts... I think many on this blog have broken hearts. Not stone, but wounded and bleeding.
Wedge and Lin,
Thank you for speaking to the post by 4545. It is not about US but about God's Word.
SOTL,
I love you,sister,you know that.
PLEASE lets all be humble and gentle as doves. We don't have to convince anyone. The facts are there and everywhere.
What time tonight will we ALL be praying ON OUR FACES before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords tonight???
Won't that be precious???
Lets set a time and all be faithful.
Let the 4545's and whoever fume on the blog or whatever at that time.
Doc or 25+ or Tim or Nass???? Want to set a time for us??
overflowinggrace said,
....Here is the problem, we(My Family) are prayed up on this and feel that Dr. Gaines is the man for BBC. Thats all I need.....
Tim says:
So your problem is that your "feelings" are that Steve Gaines is the man for BBC.
Well, I could pray all day and perhaps be led in one direction or another, but it would be irrelevant in the light of the written Word of God.
The Word of God has standards that are a requirement for a pastor and those standards have been repeatedly broken by Steve Gaines.
God does not do his deepest work in the shallowest part of our being, which is our emotions or feelings.
I remember once in my own life as an idiotic teenager that I prayed about something that was clearly outside the will of God according to the written Word. I felt that since I had prayed about it and had not been struck dead that it must be the right thing to do.
However, it was God in His Overflowing Grace and Mercy that did not take my life on the spot. It was God that taught me to respect and obey His Word regardless of my personal feelings.
Praise God from Whom all blessings flow.
I have been around long enough to know something about those that read this blog and perhaps some that post on it.
There are some that "feel" like they are saved at times and at other times they do not "feel" that they are saved.
If this describes you please read the following passage to from the Bible.
You Can Know
After you have finished reading it read it again.
You Can Know
Read it over and over again. Meditate on the Word of God.
Verse 10 says we can know because the witness of God is within us.
You Can Know
Please even if you already have the assurance of your salvation read this passage and know the promises that God has made in this passage.
bowtheknee said...
"I just wish we could go back to calling it a sanctuary instead of a "worship center." Why does everything have to have a new name???
I actually agree with you about the large sets and tons of cast members however I don't want to tear down JW and Dr. R in the process of airing our thoughts. That's all!
*******
You didn't hear me downgrading those two men. In fact it has nothing to do with SG or JP either. When JW brought the SCT to Bellevue, he brought it right. It has evolved by the influence of newer members who came and added to the presentation. All of this was applauded in everything I read back when it all began to expand. I do not have ANY inside facts on whether or not there was any resistance to the changes or not whether by Pastor or by JW. When I look at the current situation in general at BBC and the men who are running the WHOLE show, I think that trusting, busy Dr. Rogers was duped by--no, not men--but by Satan himself. (Eph 6:12) Even those "men" of whom I speak are being duped by Satan. I am being attacked by him and have been previously duped by him. Who hasn't at one time or another? That's what the Bible says in the verse I mentioned, so that's the truth. Right?
I will never speak ill of Dr. Rogers or Jim Whitmire. I love and admire them both and have been blessed way too much by their ministries for over 28 years to ever speak evil of them. I think they are both Spirit-filled men who always have sought to do the Lord's will. No, you are inferring that I have in some way, indirectly sullied their reputations. It would have been best left unsaid altogether on this blog. I have an email address where you could write me in private for discussion of something like this. In fact, one of the reasons I am still caught up in this conflict is because of the Christ-honoring manner that these two men have led our church through many years. They are no longer here, but I knew where they stood and it was at the foot of their Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
That is why I keep saying this--
JESUS IS LORD OF ALL!
Nobody of self-importance can take that away. NOBODY. HALLELUJAH!
2006huldah said: Overflowinggrace said...
"I have a name for your new church. First Self Righteous Stuck In The Past Baptist Church."
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This was one of overflowinggrace's gracious posts. Do you wonder why I think this is either a hateful man without true grace or else a woman named "grace" self-described as an obese person?
REPLY: What a joke!! I guessed you missed the post after post of the "make fun" new church names by your friends last night. The same kind of double standard this wonderful Christian blog is based on.
We were NOT making fun....we were dreaming, of a sweet church because ours has benn hijacked by the devil
Regarding all the wonderful ideas and plans and what YOU want out of a church, what about what God wants?? I saw post after post from Dee and others with very LONG lists of what they wanted and what they would do etc etc etc. Very specific lists
What if your thoughts and plans do not fit in with God's??
I have said from day one that many of you do not like Brother Steve and Bellevue because of the changes. Many of you do not like the changes.
Bellevue and the services are NOT for you!! Dr. Rogers said that any times. It should not be about you. You can say what you want, but your posts are on this blog in black and white and speak for themselves. Many of the posts are 100% self and flesh and all about what YOU want.
It is so crazy to me when I read and here people that somehow try to claim that the "old time" way of doing things is best and or correct. Says who??
By the devil?? Just more hate being spewed!!
45
go away.
The CHANGE we are standing against is that the Word of God has been changed and perverted from the pulpit.
It begins and ends with the pastor disobeying /ignoring/perverting Gods Word.
We don't need to ask if what has happened to BBC is what God wants.
His Word Tells us all what He wants.
It is a fearful thing to disobey God's Word.
Please show the hateful ones what kindness and meekness look like on this blog.
Fear not hate.
Fear not hate.
SOTL-
Is it true that your son works at Bellevue? Is he on staff?
-STT
4545,
Get the log out of your own eye, and while you are at it, get see if you can get the scales removed, too.
P.S. Why are you here?
4545,
And why do you always show up when overflowinggrace leaves?
Are you trying to give the appearance of being multiple, disgruntled Steve Gaines supporters when you are actually only one lonely soul?
STT
My son is only 15. How many 15 y/o's do you know that are on staff?
Nice try, though.
You know full well that he is not old enough to be on staff.
Oh, and I know EXACTLY who you are.
4545 said...
"Regarding all the wonderful ideas and plans and what YOU want out of a church, what about what God wants?? I saw post after post from Dee and others with very LONG lists of what they wanted and what they would do etc etc etc. Very specific lists
What if your thoughts and plans do not fit in with God's??
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Well, we can't very well go to Bellevue any more, can we? You see, we are sincere, simple Christians. We do not have hidden agendas and are not for purpose driven drivel. You want it YOUR WAY. Who do you think you are fooling, Buddy? If you have come here to cast doubt, cause trouble and try to further the PDL agenda then you may need to go back to the four walls of the church building formerly known as Bellevue Baptist Church with the "thought police" tactics. We are pretty strong here and you won't be able to sway us.
Now, it's time for YOU to move on.
2006-
Nice observation.
SOTL-
It was an honest question, I don't know the age requirements to get on staff nor do I know your son's age. Chik-Fil-A starts hiring people at age 14 so I bet any other place could too.
My question wasn't meant as an attack, but an inquring mind so please don't take it as anything else. Somebody told me he was on staff in the media/communications department and I just wanted to confirm this for myself. Why would somebody say this in the first place? I'm sorry if I offended you.
-STT
4545 said...
"Many of the posts are 100% self and flesh and all about what YOU want."
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Hmmm? "Self and flesh". Where have I heard that before? Oh, yes! Now I remember! It was our old buddy Justmyopinion who is currently not posting anymore. Yeah. Add that one to your list of "other" names for the same person who posts as many. How many more names do you have, 4545?
Oh, me. We thought we had so many members who were unhappy with us and all this time it was just ONE. Thank goodness. I was soooooo worried. : )
STT,
Maybe because they know not to mess with the mom. Had you asked me that I would assume a fight stance....nothing personal,just the mom thing.
My guess is it was meant to taunt. The unstable kid that attacked SOTL had major ties to that dept.
45
Is it in the character of Christ to lie? Do believe that our Lord anoints a man who lies to the Lords flock and hides molesters in the Lords ministry?Is this an example of christ like behavoir?
Do you want your children to imitate SG? Do you aspire to be more like SG since he is your spiritial leader? I doubt that you will answer these questions,since you have a history of avoiding questions,but you may want to consider these and think about your behavoir on this blog.
4545,
Keep fighting the good fight. Bring truth to the blogs.
GMommy-
Thank you. I don't see how that would be taunting. It just seems like a lie to me. And SOTL was attacked? Were there any injuries? Wow, this is worse than I thought... What is happening at Bellevue?
-STT
gmommy
We all know who STT is..no one else comes on here and attacks me personally but him.
He thinks he's so smart. Actually, I believe he said that he is a genius.
NO good deed goes unpunished.
Hmmm
Someone comes on here and starts quzzing me about my minor son.
I would be worried, but my son isn't in jr. high.
So, STT, he's out of your peer group.
Can someone tell me what happened with the teenage girl being removed from Bellevue. What did they think she had done?
4545,
Bellevue and the services are NOT for you!! Dr. Rogers said that any times. It should not be about you. You can say what you want, but your posts are on this blog in black and white and speak for themselves. Many of the posts are 100% self and flesh and all about what YOU want.
It is so crazy to me when I read and here people that somehow try to claim that the "old time" way of doing things is best and or correct. Says who??"
Reply, Friend, I mean this in all sincerity, I am worried for you. Your anger is dripping off screen.
Why so angry? Most of the people on this blog realize that BBC as it is now is not for them. The die has been cast.
They are actually moving on and talking about checking out different churches or even starting to worship together. Why does that make you so angry? Because it differs from what you think about worship?
I have not heard one thing on this blog about how they would like to worship (except Junkmail teasing us with a link about a pub church in England) that would not honor God. As a matter of fact, it seems they were more concerned about honoring God in Worship of Christ than anything else.
Your anger over this seems out of place. It does not fit.
Overflowing-
Please just stop. If you love our church: stop.
-STT
SOTL-
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm confused?
-STT
I have an idea. Why don't Overflowing and 4545 start their own blog?
-STT
Seeking,
I can ask a question....I just want to know.
4545,
Do you know what happened?
trucker said...
Do you want your children to imitate SG? Do you aspire to be more like SG since he is your spiritial leader?
One of the chief complaints is that SG ignored sin in the camp, and decided that a heinous crime was 'under the blood'.
A few days ago, James Sundquist announced that Steve Gaines should die. I asked that he be rebuked for such a sinful remark, but his wicked statement met with implicit approval.
Those who gave this twisted man their silent approval have no room to complain about SG. He is truly your pastor, and you are his disciples.
Would anyone care to speak up?
onlyamember writes "They continually went before the Lord for answers and HE wanted them to turn the other cheek in the whole situation. Now I know that has made several people mad, I'm not that happy with it, but who are we to say ANYTHING when this is how the Lord wants them to handle it?!"
And you are mad because..
What about forgiveness?
But you still question the Lord?
SOTL,
Please forgive me.
I do not know the Biblical word for freak so I guess I better not say anything concerning the unstable youth with many names who for whatever sick reason continues this strange behavior towards you.
I still think his parents should be informed so they can get him some help.
overflowing,
Ok, I'll bite. It's against my better judgement, but i'll give it a whirl.
Security thought that the girl had been banned from BBC. She had not been banned, no one has said that she was banned, even now.
They came and escorted her out of the sanctuary, handcuffed her, got in her face, and used the F word, and called the police to come and get her because they were having her arrested for tresspassing.
The police came and told the security guys to uncuff her and told the mother to take her home.
The police said that they had never seen ANYTHING like this at a church.
David Coombs has apologized to the girl, but to date, no one else has and the ONLY reason he did is because the parents contacted him.
I didn't think so.
solomon wrote: A few days ago, James Sundquist announced that Steve Gaines should die. I asked that he be rebuked for such a sinful remark, but his wicked statement met with implicit approval."
Solomon, you have beat this dead horse long enough now. You are angry becasue someone quoted scritpure in length on this blog? We should ALL fear the scripture he quoted here. ALL of US.
All of us should tremble when we read the story of Ananias and Sapphira. And many others that are in scripture. Our collective problem is that we take all scripture too lightly.
Why don't you go back and repost his original comment for all to see again.
Sundquist is right about some things, but he tends to be extreme. I never read anything he posts for that reason. I know others skip them as well, so don't draw any conclusions because someone does not rebuke Mr. Sundquist or any other blogger they disagree with.
Have you rebuked OFG for calling a lady fat?
Soloman,
I wholeheartedly agree with Lin. Go back and post it again. I remember reading it and I don't remember seeing where Mr. Sundquist wished anybody dead. I have read much of his work, and never have picked up on anything like this. I believe you are mistaken. I find him to be a God-fearing man. And one who cares very much for the dissenters of Bellevue.
Ima
Sick,
I agree that what happened to the girl is terrible. I'm glad that David apologized.
Proverbs,
I'm just bringing truth to the blogs.
4545overflowinggracejustmyopinion,
Who do you think you are fooling?
Do you often talk to yourself?
solomon
Have not heard anything about JS and since he is not the pastor of BBC , I'm not as affected by his remarks(true or not)as I and my children are by the spiritual leader of BBC.
Do you want your children to follow the example of the present pastor of BBC? Do you follow and emulate him as the spiritual head of your home?
Only Jesus can bring the Truth.
overflowing
You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the .......
well, nevermind
OFG,
Truth is not relative. You are a relativist. I do not think you understand what objective truth really is.
2006-
I have rarely posted on this blog yet I am attacked without reason. If I understand GMommy correctly I am a freak? Is that what she implied?
I ask an honest question and people slap me in the face. Is that normal around here?
-STT
Sick..
I agreed with you, why are you jumping on me.
Seekingthetruth said...
"2006-
I have rarely posted on this blog yet I am attacked without reason. If I understand GMommy correctly I am a freak? Is that what she implied?
I ask an honest question and people slap me in the face. Is that normal around here?
-STT
********
STT,
Are you addressing this question to me? If so, why? Oh, did you accidentally mess up and use the wrong screen name this time when you actually meant to use OFG? If so, all I can say is "Your OOPS".
Lin said...
Why don't you go back and repost his original comment for all to see again.
But of course!
James Sundquist said...
BBC STEVE GAINES "CELEBRATION" = HANANIAH
I hope all of you see the parallel between Steve Gaines and company of false prophets saying good things are happening to BBC and Hananiah's false prophesy that good things were going to happen to Israel. Here is the account:
Jer.28 Verses 1 to 17:
[1] And it came to pass the same year, in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the fourth year, and in the fifth month, that Hananiah the son of Azur the prophet, which was of Gibeon, spake unto me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and of all the people, saying,
[2] Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying, I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon.
[3] Within two full years will I bring again into this place all the vessels of the LORD's house, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place, and carried them to Babylon:
[4] And I will bring again to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, with all the captives of Judah, that went into Babylon, saith the LORD: for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.
[5] Then the prophet Jeremiah said unto the prophet Hananiah in the presence of the priests, and in the presence of all the people that stood in the house of the LORD,
[6] Even the prophet Jeremiah said, Amen: the LORD do so: the LORD perform thy words which thou hast prophesied, to bring again the vessels of the LORD's house, and all that is carried away captive, from Babylon into this place.
[7] Nevertheless hear thou now this word that I speak in thine ears, and in the ears of all the people;
[8] The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.
[9] The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.
[10] Then Hananiah the prophet took the yoke from off the prophet Jeremiah's neck, and brake it.
[11] And Hananiah spake in the presence of all the people, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all nations within the space of two full years. And the prophet Jeremiah went his way.
[12] Then the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah the prophet, after that Hananiah the prophet had broken the yoke from off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, saying,
[13] Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron.
[14] For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.
[15] Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.
[16] Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.
[17] So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.
9:27 AM, March 26, 2007
Peter NEVER called for the death of Ananias and Saphira.
Lin, should we go beyond what the Bible says?
Imaresistor,
Is the enemy or our enemy our friend? No matter what?
And to others,
DO NOT skip over posts!!! If someone is out of line, ask the Lord to rebuke them. If they are on target, encourage them.
The eyes of the world are upon you.
ofg:
this is why:
"Proverbs,
I'm just bringing truth to the blogs. "
Look folks I only post as OFG. If New BBC can check cookies then she can verify.
2006-
Yes I was addresing my post to you. You seemed nicer than the others yet you have just proved otherwise. Please don't lump me in the same category as the cuckoos.
-STT
STT and OFG often appear here at the same time. I wonder why?
Solomon, if I recall correctly, Mr. Sundquist posted scripture (Jeremiah 28:1-17) about King Zedekiah and his false prophet, Hananiah.
Does this sound very much like Steve Gaines and his company of false prophets saying good things are happening to BBC?
It does to me too.
Read again verse 15: "Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie."
If you don't like what the Bible says, apologize to us and we'll forgive you. But don't blame us for what it says and how it may relate today...
overflowinggrace said...
"Look folks I only post as OFG. If New BBC can check cookies then she can verify."
*******
Yeah, sure. We have two computers on two totally separate providers, too. You could also be calling a relative or friend and be playing "tag team". You will never convince me that you are only one person. The cat is out of the bag. GAME OVER!
trucker,
I haven't seen many posts from you, so I don't have a good feel for your position.
However, I've made myself clear. I don't approve of SG's arrogance. I'd be happy if he left, but I don't think he's going to.
Thankfully, I'm the spiritual leader of my family, not him. If Daniel was able to worship the Lord while a prisoner in Babylon, then I am able to worship while suffering through Sunday mornings at Bellevue.
OFG,
You got BUSTED!
Just to add onto lizzie's statement....
Back in biblical times, death was a common punishment. However, that does not mean when quoting that scripture, someone's calling for someone's death. I would think Sundquist meant that scripture to illustrate that Gaines should quit being a pastor which, given Gaines behavior and actions, Gaines is no longer qualified to lead a church.
Proverbs 12:22 said...
Solomon,
We have no obligation to read every post. Who has time for that?
I come here to skim the blog to see what, if anything, is happening. I do not care to read what some of the outsiders have to say. I am interested in BBC only. There are precious few bloggers I actually read because there are precious few worth reading. Most of them rarely post anymore.
"I'm the spiritual leader of my family, not him. If Daniel was able to worship the Lord while a prisoner in Babylon, then I am able to worship while suffering through Sunday mornings at Bellevue."
Um, you are not a prisoner. For what reason have you chosen that you and your family (who are looking to you for leadership?) must suffer? I am truly interested, not picking a fight.
proverbs 12;22,
You do have an obligation if you really do love your church. If these bizarre outsiders continuously received chastisement from faithful BBCers, they'd soon go away.
Use the discernment God has given you. Share it with others.
seekingthetruthoverflowinggrace4545justmyopinion said...
"2006-
Yes I was addresing my post to you. You seemed nicer than the others yet you have just proved otherwise. Please don't lump me in the same category as the cuckoos.
-STT"
*******
I am heartbroken. You know, we are all about "self and flesh" though, so just how much can you expect?
Maybe you should go to Mike Bratton's blog with your friends. See how long it takes them to catch on to your multiple personalities. Did you say before you are personal friends with David Coombs? If so, please tell him the next time you see him that I send my love.
" Now I know that has made several people mad, I'm not that happy with it, but who are we to say ANYTHING when this is how the Lord wants them to handle it?!"
And you are mad because..
What about forgiveness?
But you still question the Lord? "
9:28 PM, March 31, 2007
Friends, I am astounded at some of the error of scriptural understanding I see on the blog. I am no theologian but some of this stuff is very basic if you really study.
We must take scripture in whole...the Whole counsel of God. Judgement begins at the house of the Lord. NOt with the world...but Christians..each other who make up the true church.
Paul taught us that we must purge the church of sexual sin. We are taught in scripture the qualifications of an elder. We are taught in scripture to be on the look out for wolves who deceive and twist scritpure. It is all there.
We can 'forgive' all we want but it does the person who does not repent no eternal good. Church discipline in America is non existent which is why BBC has the problems it has now.
We would rather be tolerant and fake in love to be liked
and accepted by the group than to rebuke a brother in sin to keep him from hell. Is that love? NO it is not and I am thankful for those who love me and rebuke me.
Those who are in Christ do not wander very far away from the narrow road. When they do, God chastizes them and brings them back. Do we sin? YES. The question is: What is our ATTITUDE toward our sin. Does it break us. Does it appall us? Can we live with it easily? (1 John)
The answer to that question may determine whether or not we are really Born Again. Because when we are, God gives us a heart of flesh replacing the heart of stone (Ez 36) We are given a new nature which make us sensitive to our sin...every day...all the time.
I don't know about anyone else but repentance is a daily thing for me. I am so wretched that God cannot even look at me but I am so blessed that when He looks at me...He sees Jesus standing in my place. Praise Him!
Who crucified Jesus?
The answer is: God
Why? Because He is perfect Justice and we all deserved to be wiped off the face the earth. So HE became SIN for us. What happened at the cross? It was not the beatings, the nails, the mocking or the crown of thorns. It was because God brought down His full fury and wrath upon Jesus while He was hanging there. HE got what we deserved. The total wrath and worse...separation from God. That is why He said, "Why have YOu forsaken Me? Then said, IT is Finished!
Does this pierce your heart? Does it make you weep? Are you overcome with love for Christ because of this?
Tomorrow we celebrate His entry into Jerusalem. He cleansed the temple after He got there...go read about it...tonight.
God wants us to love Jesus with all our heart and soul.
I pray that all our hearts will be turned to really worship our Savior. Grace and Peace
I am 4545 only!
solomon
Thank you for an honest answer.
4545
Where are you?
Didn't know about cuffing the 15 year old girl, very Christ like is it Mr. 45
I've got many obligations, reading this blog is not one of them. You might argue NASS has that obligation since she created it. I'm confident God will not hold me accountable for failing to read every post on this blog. I bet he would rather me put that time into His word or prayer or with my family or working or visiting my elderly parents.
If you feel obligated to read every post and police this blog, then I think you need to reconsider your priorities.
Concerned
You have mail...
Lin,
Amen and Amen
Solomon: Peter NEVER called for the death of Ananias and Saphira.
Lin, should we go beyond what the Bible says?
Imaresistor,
Is the enemy or our enemy our friend? No matter what? "
Solomon, you are reading into something that is not there. I never said Peter called for their death. That is not scriptural.
I said.... we should tremble when we read that scripture. ALL of US.
I really think you need to e-mail Mr. Sundquist and ask him these questions directly. Ask him to clarify. I certainly did not ascertain what you have accused him of from his original post.
tn,
Do you feel like you're home?
I don't. I didn't choose to suffer, but every time I turn on the TV or the radio I feel persecuted. My beliefs are constantly being assaulted.
How can I not feel like a prisoner? Thankfully, I've learned that Jesus came to set the prisoners free.
offline
to bad 4545 cannot answer questions,
proverbs 12:22 said...
I've got many obligations, reading this blog is not one of them. You might argue NASS has that obligation since she created it. I'm confident God will not hold me accountable for failing to read every post on this blog. I bet he would rather me put that time into His word or prayer or with my family or working or visiting my elderly parents.
If you feel obligated to read every post and police this blog, then I think you need to reconsider your priorities.
These are my priorities:
1. God
2. Family
3. Church/Work
The blog isn't exactly church, but I refuse to use it to my advantage while ignoring those who pollute it.
Trucker said...
"4545
Where are you?
*******
He is now Solomon (the wiser side of the multiple personality).
This is almost like watching "Sybil".
Piglet: You've got mail. :)
Think I saw the not so nice personality of one who made claims of a big announcement tomorrow....and newspaper articles!!!
Paper will be out in less than 2 hours....
There has been no repentance in the BBC leadership this week ...no good news without repentance.
gmommylv said...
Think I saw the not so nice personality of one who made claims of a big announcement tomorrow....and newspaper articles!!!
Paper will be out in less than 2 hours....
There has been no repentance in the BBC leadership this week ...no good news without repentance.
10:11 PM, March 31, 2007
gmommylv...check the calendar :). Tomorrow's April Fools Day. It was just an early April Fools Joke :)
Solomon,
There is definitely a parallel. Verse 15 says,"Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie."
Course I don't know why I went to such trouble to try to respond to your post since I am a bizarre outsider and you will only skip over my post. :(
Dee Richardson,
I'm praying for you.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm not a Steve Gaines supporter.
I wish he had never come here, but since he's here I'm going to trust God.
Grace,
Keith Solomon
4545,
7 days. For 7 days, one full week now, I have asked for you to prove that which you assert, namely, that the people posting on this blog are liars.
7 days. 7 days of running. Oh, you pop in and cause trouble, then run away. Whine for a little while, then disappear. Ok. You obviously cannot back up what you say. So stop saying it.
So now, an assertion from me. How can I say this... I hope you're not a guy, because your testosterone seems to be lacking. Man up.
gmommylv said...
"Think I saw the not so nice personality of one who made claims of a big announcement tomorrow....and newspaper articles!!!
Paper will be out in less than 2 hours....
*******
Are you referring to Truth Rules? That's another one that is playing us for stupid and laughing about it. All of these people who come here and talk "real" or "mad" or whatever they can to try to get us to respond (especially if they think we are buying into it)are actually one or maybe two persons. They are probably very young, maybe friends of SOTL's little demon, and either have separate computers or cellphones glued to their ear. Regardless, "they" are no longer to be considered serious bloggers. They are mischievous, bad little boys.
koragg,
I suspect that there is no resignation unless it is forced by some circumstances.
I also suspect that it is probably something stupid like an announcement of his magesty's new TV show - another Joel Osteen on TV.
I also can see it being someone's idea of an April Fools Day joke.
It is a sad day any way you look at it.
ima wrote: Course I don't know why I went to such trouble to try to respond to your post since I am a bizarre outsider and you will only skip over my post."
Funny, I consider you a sister in Christ in the Body. Just as I do many on this blog. And consider many believers I know in other countries part of the Body...my brothers and sisters.
I just thought of Luke 10....
Solomon said...
"Dee Richardson,
I'm praying for you.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm not a Steve Gaines supporter.
I wish he had never come here, but since he's here I'm going to trust God.
Grace,
Keith Solomon "
*******
What are you praying for? That He will take away my discernment?
Anyway, with all the personalities you have, your one prayer will maybe register as six.
Thanks again,
Jane Arthur Street
2006 and gmommy,
Actually, i think those demons to which you refer are not even on a particular side in this spiritual warfare battle. They are too immature to even understand the gravity of the situation.
I think they are just mentally confused and enjoying inflicting emotional pain on others.
ima,
I don't skip over any posts. Bellevue is my church, and I'm concerned about it.
I have to wonder, though, when I read this obsession with Rick Warren...
Which page of the PDL tells how to ignore pedophiles? Which chapter of 'Transitioning' outlines treating your employees like dirt? What about fence jumping?
I'm a little confused, because by your own statement SG should step down because he's made a mess of things. As you said, RW wouldn't approve.
Is SG PDL or not???
"I wish he had never come here, but since he's here I'm going to trust God."
Keith, friend and brother...God wants us to obey His Word. That is how we trust in Him. We have the Word for a reason. Grace to you.
SOTL,
Yep, you are exactly right. Did you ever do any "crank calling" when you were a teenager? I had one old lady thinking I was a real person. I'd call her every once in awhile, and I think it actually made her happy. She was probably lonely. BTW, I wasn't a Christian then and I was only about 15 or 16.
MOM4 said...
koragg,
I suspect that there is no resignation unless it is forced by some circumstances.
I also suspect that it is probably something stupid like an announcement of his magesty's new TV show - another Joel Osteen on TV.
I also can see it being someone's idea of an April Fools Day joke.
It is a sad day any way you look at it.
10:21 PM, March 31, 2007
Yeah. I'll be finding me at the bowling alley tomorrow because I'm not gonna waste my time going to Bellevue tomorrow for nothing.
solomon,
Ephesians 4:4-6
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
First, please explain who the outsiders are. There may be many worship centers but there is only one body.
Second, if you have a problem with James Sundquist I would request that you excersize the commandments of Matthew 18 with that brother.
I as many others did not read into this post that anyone was calling for Steve Gaines death.
Koragg and 2006,
I know who that is...or isn't. Has NOTHING to do with the truth....
I posted that his/her intent was to mock the injured on this blog when he/she posted that day.
I won't be at BBC expecting some big announcement tomorrow.
There is nothing at BBC for the truth seekers until there is repentance before the Lord from the BBC leadership.
Even on April Fools Day...God is not mocked.
2006
Yeah, those were the good ol days, before Caller ID.
My kids dont' know the fun of calling the drug store and asking if they have PRINCE ALBERT IN A CAN...and when they respond, 'yes' you say, " BETTER LET HIM OUT"
or
Calling your neighbor and asking if their refrigerator is running.
or
Calling a friend, leaving a message to return the call to Mr.
Bear, and giving the phone # for the zoo.
Of course, we did that when we were 9 and 10. Not 20.
g'nite friends. Worship Christ tomorrow...somewhere. We do NOT deserve what He did for us. He is worthy of praise.
g'nite lin
Soloman,
You may want to check the March 27, 10:30 post in the last thread. You skipped that one.
sickofthelies,
Of course the greatest fun was to call a chinese grocery and ask them if they had pickled pig feet. That usually stirred up quite a few questions.
And the other was to call KFC and ask the girl that answered if she had crispy fried chicken breast...well it was somehow much funnier back then.
Tim, SOTL, 2006: I think our kids have missed out......now they think video games are fun.
tim said...
First, please explain who the outsiders are. There may be many worship centers but there is only one body.
Second, if you have a problem with James Sundquist I would request that you excersize the commandments of Matthew 18 with that brother.
I as many others did not read into this post that anyone was calling for Steve Gaines death.
Tim,
If I may quote 2 Tim 3:
1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,
7 always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth.
8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.
9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
These are the outsiders. Only they aren't outside anymore, are they? They're right here.
I'd be overjoyed to confront JS per Matthew 18, but since he's just a name on a blog who doesn't answer emails that's not really possible. He's not a member of our church, so it's not possible to remove him. Many people did 'read into' his post, and it's been a popular subject of conversation around church.
Tim, do you remember 'faithnhope?' The two sisters in the Lord who used to post here together? Faith and Hope were in my small group Bible study, and used to bring your name among others up for prayer.
They had tremendous discernment, especially Faith. I think I'll ask them what's on their mind these days...
TIM!!!
Solomon, I would love to know as well.
aslans,
No, I didn't miss it, and in fact quoted it to 'watchman'.
God bless you for speaking up.
Tim,
Solomon is jerking your chain. Why do you think he is now bringing up Faithnhope? They will be here shortly. He thinks you are taking him seriously and he's trying to act like a normal, mature person. Granted, he may be old enough to talk the talk, but he is a fake.
'night everyone
Sybil will have to keep you company now.
I remember faithnhope fairly well. We did not always agree 100% with one another, but I believe that our conversations were generally civil. I appreciate their prayers and others that have lifted me up for strength in this battle.
I have e-mailed James Sunquist on a few of occassions and have usually had response come back within a day or so. Some have been supportive of his stance and some have not been.
Sorry to piglet, for the pickled pig feet joke. I really don't want to see any little piggies rolling around in wheel chairs.
As for the KFC crack...well what can I say...stupid is as stupid does.
ima,
To answer your question, no I don't think SG is purpose driven. I think he is arrogant, prideful, and unrepentant. I think he needs to humble himself, to make himself less so Christ can be made more and that Bellevue can get on with the business of worshipping the Lord in spirit and in truth.
If you've never listened to one of his sermons, I'd recommend that you do so. You will hear the gospel proclaimed clearly, and if I understand correctly this is not something that is done in a PD church.
I really think you should make the trip to Bellevue and see with your own eyes what's going on.
I truly believe you're fighting the wrong battle.
Solomon,
If a false prophet or unbeliever happens to post on this blog it is a small thing to me in comparison with a man that;
1. preaches lies from the pulpit
2. personally lies from the pulpit
3. lies about his lies to the membership
etc...
It is a small thing to me in comparison to men that are to be in leadership of the church that;
1. follow a spiritual leader in sin
2. profit financially from church business
3. set out to destroy those that oppose them
etc....
It is a small thing to swallow knats and yet not be choked by a camel.
koragg said...
"Yeah. I'll be finding me at the bowling alley tomorrow because I'm not gonna waste my time going to Bellevue tomorrow for nothing."
Hey, it's Palm Sunday. Join us at GBC and listen to some solid Christian music and preaching!
tim,
How can I get my point across to you clearly?
Whether a man is in church leadership or is simply a lowly servant, his sin is the same in God's eyes. Steve Gaines' sin has been broadcast for all the world to see, but that doesn't make it worse than the transgression of any other man.
In some ways, the sins committed on this blog are more far reaching than anything preached from the pulpit of BBC. No one in Russia is going to watch a church service from Memphis tomorrow, but a squabble like this has a universal appeal.
The sins on this blog must not be overlooked. They must be exposed, confronted, and decried. It is up to the godly people who know the scriptures to do that, to live a life worthy of the calling they have received.
Just a quick note further..I have no vote on what is posted or not posted on this blog. I have no control over what is deleted and what is not.
I do have a vote at Bellevue..even if I am not given the opportunity to excersize it.
Solomon,
Your remarks and your honesty are appreciated.
Having heard Steve Gaines preach, I still appreciate the invite.
I would have a hard time accepting any pastor’s preaching who has run his sheep away ‘on purpose’. It isn’t possible to be a good pastor and a bad sheppard simultaneously. I could never accept a pastor who has lied, straddled a fence in the manner in which he did, etc., etc., etc.
I don’t think I am fighting a battle. I am merely sounding the warning.
You and I will just have to agree to disagree. No harm there.
Tim,
I think Solomon is lookind down the road to a day when we will need to begin the healing process at Bellevue in earnest. He is asking all of us to make sure that we are as absolutely pure in heart, mind and spirit as possible.
We not only have to know that we are rigth, but that we are right in the right spirit. Is it not the best thing to "put on the mind of Christ?"
We can ill afford to bring bitterness with our ideas. we will need to be building as many bridges of trust and fellowship as possible and a spirit of bitterness prevents this.
I am not accusing anyone secifically in this regard. Only warning against the future.
Mom4
Check your mail. :)
aslansown,
I beg to differ with your assesment. It appears to me that instead of dealing with the sin within our own local body that Solomon would prefer that efforts be concentrated toward those that are perceived to be from without.
I harbor no bitterness toward these men. But it is high time that someone spoke the pure truth without trying to sugar coat every word to appease the masses.
We as a congregation have been lied to. We as a congregation have been belittled and ignored. There are certainly many in leadership that need to hear the alarm and wake up and realize that God will not be mocked. That which a man sows he will also reap. These have sown the wind and will reap the whirl wind.
Solomon said, Steve Gaines' sin has been broadcast for all the world to see, but that doesn't make it worse than the transgression of any other man.
OC says: Wrong. See Bible.
concerned said:
Tim, SOTL, 2006: I think our kids have missed out......now they think video games are fun.
SOTL says:
Yeah, concerned, at least we had to be creative when we were playing telephone pranks.
Piglet,
back at ya!
tim,
What are your thoughts on Mark Sharp's last letter? He spoke against the disgrace at Bellevue, but then expanded his attack to the entire SBC. Was this a practical approach? Wouldn't it be wiser to purify our own church first, and then expand our influence? To shore up the home front, so to speak?
Those from outside are distracting us. Sin must be spoken against, wherever it comes from. We do have a vote, and it's as simple as posting 'no, that's not right'.
For example,
oc said...
Solomon said, Steve Gaines' sin has been broadcast for all the world to see, but that doesn't make it worse than the transgression of any other man.
OC says: Wrong. See Bible.
OC,
You have spoken inconsistently with the scriptures, according to my limited knowledge. Granted that while the qualifications for elders is spelled out, the Bible nonetheless say to everyone 'be holy for I am holy.' There is no lesser sin. The instant each of us sins we deserve to be struck down and sent to hell, but praise God a sacrifice was made for us. "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus."
I don't see any first, second, or third degree sin in the Bible.
(offline)
So what's theologically wrong with his statement? You know, as you and I have already discussed, it may be that the root problem of Bellevue is in fact a general sin of pride. Outsiders would not be able to see this as they have no frame of reference.
Solomon is saying that it is possible that we have had too much help from outside and that we need to look carefully after our own first.
Let's engage in a lot of self-examination first and as the scripture tells us to make ourselves clean.
offline
Now we are hearing the announcement......
same ol same ol...
SG's sin is no different from a lowly servants sin to God.
EXACTLY, that is God's business with SG.
But As a minister,he is to be above reproach and held to the Biblical qualifications for a minister.
He can sin all he wants and declare it under the blood but sit in the congregation .
To teach God's word and sheperd a flock and be in authority over others,he MUST be obedient to God's word.
Be an example to the flock as if he were accountable to God for our souls.
He must be repentant
He must be humble.
Please read further than the BBC leadership advises.
Solomon said OC,
You have spoken inconsistently with the scriptures, according to my limited knowledge.
OC says. No, I haven't. But you are correct in one thing, you have limited knowledge. Very. Ministers are held to a higher standard. Study more.
onlyamember,
Don't worry about TruthRules..he likes to come on here and find fault with everyone but the pastor.
Likes to stir the pot.
Please tell the young lady that I am praying for her daily. I have a little yellow sticky on my computer to remind me to pray for her.
SOTL,
Hey. What's this thing about me being 'crusty'?
At 9:53PM, tn_lizzie2000 quoted solomon:
"I'm the spiritual leader of my family, not [Steve Gaines]. If Daniel was able to worship the Lord while a prisoner in Babylon, then I am able to worship while suffering through Sunday mornings at Bellevue."
and then replied:
Um, you are not a prisoner. For what reason have you chosen that you and your family (who are looking to you for leadership?) must suffer? I am truly interested, not picking a fight.
At 10:04 PM, solomon said...
tn, Do you feel like you're home?
I don't. I didn't choose to suffer, but every time I turn on the TV or the radio I feel persecuted. My beliefs are constantly being assaulted.
How can I not feel like a prisoner? Thankfully, I've learned that Jesus came to set the prisoners free.
I now answer:
Yes, I feel like I'm home, because I am! :o) My dear husband (DH) started leading us in church at home in October of last year. It has been a truly worship-filled experience to be led to the Throne room by a man of integrity. He is not ordained by man, but I know he has been called by God to preach the Living Word of God.
We have 3 young girls, and all of us are saved. Our Pastor can spend his time focused on teaching and helping us grow deeper in our relationships with God and with each other. It's fun and freeing ~ You might consider trying it. It sure would beat prison, yes?
Riad Saba has another letter posted on Saving Bellevue...
Lin,
Regarding the emerging church movement, you said, "My guess is that once they all decide they have found the absolute truth, the gig is up which means the conversation will actually never end because they will never agree to any absolute truth. Was that clear as mud?"
Yes, I actually understood that! :) And I agree -- since the foundation seems to be postmodern thought, which denies the existance of absolute truth, it would be hard for them to come to any definitive conclusions. I think that's why it is difficult to define just what the movement is and what they believe. Much of what they focus on is criticism of what has come before and statements of what they don't believe.
You also made reference to me "teasing us with a link about a pub church in England". I admit I was being lighthearted, but it wasn't completely teasing. The idea of a church in a worldly place makes me uncomfortable, but I am not sure it is a bad as bringing wordly things into the church. I was serious in my subsequent posts saying that I would like to see more discussion on just what should be considered compromise with the world. I strongly suspect that each person on the blog would have a different idea of just what would or wouldn't be "wordly" or appropriate in a church worship service, but I'd be interested in an opportunity to delve into it further.
SOTL writes "Don't worry about TruthRules..he likes to come on here and find fault with everyone but the pastor."
Actually that is wrong on both parts. I don't find fault with everyone but you certainly provide enough resources for those seeking to find it. Additionally I have been a critic of our pastor in the areas that he has erred. I am not so much an all wrong or all right depending on the side I reside.
Truth Rules,
The newspaper is here. Where's the news?
Did plans change? Or did you forget to tell the truth?
Lucy
Linus,
You had a bird brain idea. It was a dud.
Lucy's counseling booth is out of order.
Lucy
Praise Him today! He alone is worthy.
Lucy: Don't feel badly. You gave TR the benefit of the doubt; "grace" you might say. He's the one that lied and made light of your trust. Shame on him, not on you.
As I Said,
Truth Rules likes to stir the pot.
Well the great day for the announcement has arrived. This will be a little more complex than it appears. As I stated from the beginning, some will be happy and some angry over this announcement. I specifically parsed my words to avoid any portion of my statements prior to this to contain any untruths. Today the Commercial Appeal did have references to my anticipated announcement. And as I suspected those who exhibit less emotion in their thought and those more cynical, logical in their thoughts have discovered the truth. The more emotional thinkers and I like to call them the “me thinkers” (those who only think of how it affects them personally) would react as always. They would speculate and channel their thoughts to effects and gratifications. But here goes…..
And hats off to NASS for her insight…..
Happy April Fool’s Day – April 1, 2007
I am sure you will see the printed date referenced in your Commercial Appeal Edition. The bulletin at church will reveal this day as well. Sorry Lucy and Concernedsbcer if you placed trust in the anticipation of this announcement and expected more. I truly didn’t intent to hurt anyone feelings and yes I did tell the truth all along. And this brings me to the main points of this entire anticipated announcement posting. First it shows how truth taken outside its entirety can be distorting and allows for erroneous assumptions. Second it shows what I believe to be the larger concerns about this blog, the emotional toll. Many of you are angry now over what this anticipated announcement has brought. The time of which has historically been a time of hoaxes. Yes you will say that one should not make light during such a serious time within our church. And my rebuttal is that if you truly concerned yourself about our church then you would not be in the 24/7 mode of working to destroy what you once loved. It all reminds me of a bitter divorce. Once sides are taken then it is “Katie bar the door” time because the gloves are coming off. And who are we fighting? Fellow Christians, brother in Christ!
Why does one feel the need to correct the beliefs of others? And please save your self-righteousness replies of how you believe that the majority and the leadership are outside the Scriptural teachings of the Bible. Doesn’t majority have a place in congregational approval? I have read enough on this blog to know that most of you feel right in your call to arms. But what if your ways are wrong? And speaking of those wrong ways, do you think that suicide bombers are wrong in thinking it’s a direct route to heaven? But there is little you can say from an emotional position which will change their course of actions. Even providing democracy hasn’t helped. The point here is that people who honestly believe in what they are doing doesn’t translate into being the right thing to do. When did it become alright for societies to praise the destruction of New York’s Twin Towers where innocent people were killed? Much of the Middle East rejoiced in the success of the destruction of others. And why did they rejoice….their religious beliefs? And if the truth is told many of you would have rejoiced today if the announcement had been the resignation of Bro. Steve Gaines. And you would have been rejoicing over the topping of a man which God has set apart. And why would you rejoice….your religious beliefs? In that case, then you as well as those rejoicing Muslims, need to revaluate your understandings of what is taught. There should be no rejoicing in either situation according to Scripture. Did not Jesus teach us to love one another? Were we not taught that no better love hath a man than to give his life for another? Did Christ not show compassion to those believers as well as the non-believers? But my friend tells me that she feels anger toward Steve Gaines for showing compassion to one who has sinned. Oh but woe to us who forgets that God loved us as sinners so much that he gave us his Son to die for us. I thank God for his compassion and mercy. I would rather have a pastor who erred due to showing compassion than one who hatred the sinner more than the sin. And this blog has shown me those who truly do hate the sinners more than the sins!
truthruse,
you are one sick little puppy
SOTL writes "you are one sick little puppy"
Why does the old childish phrase..takes one to know one...come quickly to mind? But rather than take an easy personal attack rebuttal as you have I will wait on a more healthy rebuttal which may challenge one's intellectual thoughts and beliefs.
truth ruse,
Do you really think we're that stupid? People like you wouldn't recognize "truth" if it hit them squarely in the face. Are you disappointed that everyone didn't jump on your little "rumor" and make something of it?
I wouldn't be so quick to gloat though. I don't know of anyone who would "celebrate" if Steve Gaines resigned. There might be a collective sigh of relief, but I don't think you'd have seen people standing and applauding or dancing in the aisles. This isn't about someone winning or losing. If you really cared about Bellevue or your fellow church members, you'd join them in trying to find out the real truth instead of trying to make them look foolish. By the way, that didn't work out too well, did it? Seems to me you're the one looking pretty silly this morning.
You've had your say, and as so many of us have been told by the people in our own congregation, it's time for you to leave. Please do not come back here.
SOTL,
Yes, he is sick and he doesn't know you don't start an April Fool's Joke until April 1st. He lacks any credibility whatsoever.
Those Who Rule BBC Ignore/Disobey Truth
Those who Rule BBC twist scripture to SUIT THEIR SIN
Those who Rule BBC do not Fear God
Those who rule BBC are the wolves that scripture warns about who deceive and twist scripture
proverbs,
I would have to say that he is just a good ol fashioned LIAR.
Everyone,
"Truth ruse" would like a rebuttal. He's gotten a couple. Now, I'd like to ask that everyone just ignore him as most of you did in the first place. Like several previous contentious posters, this one thrives on attention. Don't give it to him, and he'll go away.
In other words, don't feed the trolls!
truth ruse,
No, actually there is no surprise here. You have come here being arrogant and self righteous and now have exhibited your self importance.
I am not surprised at all. An extremely wise my man (the wisest that I have ever known) once told me, "A tiger does not change his stripes". This wise man was my father. He taught we well not to trust someone who exhibits behavior such as you have over the past week.
Har-de..Har..Har...
I believe that you will find and find soon that the joke is on you.
So Folks,
I'm all dressed and heading out to GBC this morning to worship.
Can't wait to hear Mike Spradlin preach and Jim Whitmire lead the choir.
It'll be just like REAL church!
Hosannah
NASS, you are right. He should be ignored.
It's time to get dressed to go visit a church that still believes in the entirety of Scripture and where the ministers are held to the highest moral standards. I wish I could still say that about Bellevue.
I would like to elaborate for a moment on this childish prank.
There is a meaningful object lesson that has been presented to those that read this blog.
What has been done is exactly the same thing that the administration has done. They have chosen carefully parsed words to tell the truth without being honest. They have craftily and intentionally led many astray. They have proceeded to glory in the fact that they have deceived the hearts of many.
The object lesson has not proved that a lie will be believed by those that seek the truth. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. Most of those here saw Truth Ruse as a Ruse and nothing more.
This deception is of the exact same manner that has been used by the administration. It is not a new tactic in the arsenal of Satan. It was first used in Genesis when the serpent deceived Eve. The model of speaking incomplete truth has been so effective that it has continue for over 6000 years.
Take note of this excellent object lesson that has been presented. Carefully parsed words can convey truth without speaking in honesty.
And why am I not surprised that the rebuttals are all about me rather than dealing with the thoughts? And Tim, have you forgotten that Christ can make us a new creature? Yes stripes can be changed....
In respect to NASS...so long and farewell...in my best Julie Andrews voice..
sTruthrules,
I recognized the possibility of your posts being an April fools joke shortly after your first post re: the announcement.
I wonder if you are Steve Gaines or Donna Gaines. You are not a child as some have suspected, you are much too calculated to be a child.
As Tim said, I also think you will soon find the joke is on you. I am praying the truth will come to light soon, I do not wish for the destruction of any man, but with some it seems that is the only way.
Everyone, please pray harder than ever before for the truth to be exposed. Bellevue Baptist Church is a body of believers that love our Lord Jesus Christ. These problems we are currently facing are challenges to make us even stronger than before.
To God be the glory.
Now I'm off to worship at Germantown Baptist Church, to hear a men of integrity in the pulpit and leading the choir.
GBC worhship times on Sunday:
9:00 am
10:30 am
5:30 pm, tonite is the Easter presentation
Thank you, Tim. I thought the same thing but was too lazy to put it into words! It all depends on what the definition of "is" is. You have to admit that in eight years, we learned a lot from Bill Clinton! Apparently "truth ruse" did, too.
Keep praying for TRUTH to be revealed and evil to be exposed.
Pride goeth before a fall.
Its Steve Gaines Day....err I mean April Fools Day!
I checked my paper. No announcement there. Truth Rules, might need to stock up on Exlax cause your definitely full of it.
Dear Truth: What compassion has the Senior Pastor shown to his members? Show me just one.
What he has shown me is excuse upon excuse for "one" mistake after another.
As for your high school type prank, I don't think anyone took you serious except yourself. For most of the adults on here, we knew what today means to some small minds, April FOOLS Day is your one big day a year.
For the mature adults, it is the Lords' Day.
I am waiting for that ONE example of compassion shown by the Senior Pastor. No you won't be able to produce it. Rather you exhibit the behavior that many in the Catholic Church exhibited for way too long. It is called "swallow and follow." Well Praise the Lord some of those members are beginning to see what is going on. In time maybe you will too.
David Brown
Watchman,
Thank you for that reminder. Pride does go before destruction.
Truth Rules lied! He declared April Food's Day to be a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT!It IS NOT a major announcement! The publishing of the date April 1 is not a major announcement. In addition, if this is found in print in any church print out, then it's a first time.
I considered that it could be an April Fool's joke, but I thought better of leadership. I never dreamed they would be intentionally devious and stoop that low. It discredits everything he said in the past or will say in the future. He is a master liar. Unfortunately it is all too characteristic of some top nonleaders we know . . . maybe his cohorts.
TR is a snake. He intentionally set out to lie . . . to deceive. What will his name be tomorrow?
He will be back. He is too interested in what we think and talk about. They have to try to figure out what we are thinking to be able to keep deceiving us.
SG has never been my focus. Rather, I prayed for integrity to be restored in the pulpit.
Truth Rules, you are on dangerous ground. God will not be mocked. You reap what you sow and I think your reaping is on the way. Repentence will come for you too I hope. It will be more painful for you as you have lifted yourself to a lofty position and the coming down will not be pleasant.
I am not angry at you. I feel sad for you. You have too much time to spend on this kind of thing. You must be someone on the inside with all of your information so handy in your memory, and you are too interested in all of this to not be someone being paid to try to manage what is going on. This may be why some people refer to you as "the brute"? May God have mercy on your soul for this devious act.
Lucy
My counseling booth is 'out of business' temporarily due to a needed vacation. No charge for 'The Truth'!
I'm a bit torn this morning. Part of me says leave Bellevue for good, but the other part says because I can't find a good church with a good Single Adults ministry.
Lwood was actually the first person to remind us that this Sunday was going to be April Fools' Day. At that time we came to know that this was indeed Truth Rules "big announcement". If you don't believe me, look back on the thread where this was first announced. The statements made this morning by "Truth Rules" (one of many names for a particular person who has claimed to be both man and woman and who IS in reality the actual person who was vaguely mentioned, though not by name but by inference, in the description of a recent event at the church) are, therefore, null and void. The conclusions he has drawn regarding our swallowing of this lie are rendered totally unfounded by the fact that we did NOT fall for some piece of "news" that was dangled in front of us as one would tempt a donkey were a dumb animal capable of being tempted. Rather, this inept fool has committed himself to the work of Satan by offering temptation to those true believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ who, being cast off from the building that once contained them all, now cling together in this modern day form of communication/lifeboat. We know by this ongoing trial that it is and always shall be true that
JESUS IS LORD OF ALL!
AMEN AND HALLELUJAH!
And BTW, Unless theres something after the webstream was cut off....there wasn't anything there either.
Could it be that "Truth Rules" is part of the Dodd family?
koragg wrote:
"Unless theres something after the webstream was cut off....there wasn't anything there either."
There wasn't. But I would like to take this opportunity to offer a friendly word of advice to the staff who prepares the "bread" for the Lord's Supper. Please don't prepare the unleavened bread on a damp, rainy day (like yesterday)! The solemnness of the occasion was unfortunately nearly shattered this morning by my discovery that my portion had the consistency of chewing gum, and I ended up having to pretty much swallow it whole. I think it's still about two inches away from reaching my stomach, and the grape juice sitting on top of it is burning a hole in my esophagus. Who knew the Lord's Supper could be hazardous to your health!
The normal time it takes to prepare for a Sunday evening service is 3 1/2 hours.
Then there need to be more servants on the committee.
Concerned,
Good answer! And by the way, you have mail...
"truth rules,"
Regardless of how informational or innocuous your comments, you have been asked to leave the blog. You have already clearly shown your intentions. Now, please kindly go away.
NBBCOF
Solomon, you have so much false doctrine that I hardly know where to begin. I pray you will get into a deep study of scripture. Here are a few verses that I hope will illuminate some of the things you have commented on here.
James 3
1Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
1 John 2
26I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything--and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you--abide in him.
My friend, get your teaching straight from scripture and stop going to see what others think.
Did I really just read a post from someone complaining about the communion. I'm sorry that you are a picky eater, but I've never taken communion because of the great taste.
Is that what you guys have come to.
OFG.
Grow up.
OFG,
Can you not read? No one's complaining about the taste.
It's past time for you to go, too. Please kindly do so. I honestly don't understand why you, TR, and the likes of 4545 waste your valuable time here.
NBBCOF
At 8:12 AM, April 01, 2007
sickofthelies said...
I'm all dressed and heading out to GBC this morning to worship.
junk99mail says...
I am so glad to hear that you chose to gather with Christians this morning for worship. How was it?
NASS,
Re: your statement, "Who knew the Lord's Supper could be hazardous to your health!"
1 Cor 11:27-30 says "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died."
:)
(Yeah, I know; different reasons.)
Re: today's "attempted" April Fools joke ...
Proverbs 26:18-19: Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, "I am only joking!"
How's that for a "relevant" message? :)
Junk: Very relevent. Thanks. :)
I have been a "reader" since September. I have only published once(during the switch-over & so my name was anonymous). Many times I have started to answer someone who continues to support the leadership, especially when they have scoffed at someone who is hurting or who has been seriously hurt. However, I didn't because I realized before I hit the button that I was replying in anger, albeit justified anger.
Today, I will not stop. YES, I AM ANGRY!!! Truth Rules, you are NO MATURE CHRISTIAN!! You did not speak the truth. You have every right to say and do whatever you desire. You can talk about people, you can mislead people, you can scoff at people, you can lie to people, anytime, anywhere. This is not what makes me angry. What makes me angry, actually, IT INFURIATES ME is that you chose to pull a childish prank on fellow brothers and sisters in CHRIST, on the LORD'S DAY!!!!! Not only is it the LORD'S DAY, it is PALM SUNDAY!!!!-- the day we celebrate Jesus triumphant entry into Jerusalem and the foreshadowing of the future entry into Jerusalem forever and ever!!! If there was one ounce of spiritural maturity, or discernment, or sensitivity of the Holy Spirit, you would never have pulled such a prank, not on the LORD'S DAY. In no way would the Holy Spirit lead in such an action, and no way would He have condoned such an action.
To all of you who support what Truth Rules did, you are in the same boat. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!!! Truth Rules and all your cohorts (bepatient, ofg, 4545, and the bunch) God intends for us to honor His day. (REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY. Ex 20:8) In no way did you honor God. Please explain to me how you went to service this morning, raised your hands in worship, prayed, and learned from the Word of God, while all the while knowing you had purposefully and deceitfully conned fellow believers in the name of a practical joke? (It's a rhetorical question, there is no explaining needed. God's Word is very clear. HE DID NOT HEAR YOU!!!)(THEREFORE IF THOU BRING THY GIFT TO THE ALTAR, AND THERE REMEMBEREST THAT THY BROTHER HATH OUGHT AGAINST THEE; LEAVE THERE THY GIFT BEFORE THE ALTAR, AND GO THY WAY; FIRST BE RECONCILED TO THY BROTHER, AND THEN COME AND OFFER THY GIFT. Matt 5:23-24) You knew TR that you would cause anger to brothers and sisters in Christ and yet you did it anyway. Your presence in church this morning, or at anytime is not worthy, and it did not reach the ceiling. GOD SAID SO!!! not me.
To the rest, those who actually write, and to those who just read,
THIS IS BELLEVUE BAPTIST CHURCH NOW!! No longer is there any TRUTH!!! No longer is it a friend to the family and a family of friends. TR references to the suicide bombers remains me of another's reference to "Hezbollah". TR & his cronies have learned their lessons well from the administration.
To answer the question about "correcting" the beliefs of others. We are called to share the WHOLE WORD not just those passages we like. Jesus was, is and forever will be the TRUTH!!! He came speaking the truth. He came CORRECTING the beliefs of the others. Is it any wonder that the Pharisees, Sadducees, lawyers, and scribes could not stand Him? He CORRECTED their way of teaching and practicing religion. As long as God tells me to speak, I will speak the Word of God. If that bothers you, then you might better ask yourself (better yet, ask God) why it bothers you. If you don't care, then move it on down the road and stop playing Christian. Stop dishonoring the LORD'S DAY. (Read the judgement God placed upon Israel for not observing the Sabbaths and the Holy Days. TR I suggest you dig deep into the Word of God, and beg forgiveness for mocking HIS DAY!!)
In the words of Ecclesiates: "Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God (means you're on holy ground), and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifce of fools: for they consider not that they do evil. Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven and thou upon earth: therfore let they words be few."(5:1-2)
The saddest part of all of this for me and my family, is that God, my Father, Jesus, my Savior & Brother, and the Holy Spirit, my Discerner and Teacher were mocked and spit upon all in the name of a practical joke. This was not about "showing" anything or "proving" anything. It was about one upmanship. It was about winning. Well, folks, the WAR HAS BEEN WON!! This battle, in the eyes of some, may have been lost, but again, I say, GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!!!
Rejoice O Child of the King, for we celebrate His Victorious, Complete, and Holy defeat of Sin, of Death, of the Grave, and of Hell!! Hallelujah!! I am anxious to be Home with Jesus and my Father!! What a Great Day for the Lord to Come!!! AMEN AND AMEN!!!
Excellent Post Continually Amazed!
continuallyamazed: Thanks for posting. You have added much to our discussion today. It is wrong and there should be righteous anger. Our Lord is being mocked on many levels.
Truth Rules,
Over the last three years I have been witness to things coming out of the church I would never have thought even possible. It amazes me that people who call themselves Christians take pure pleasure in doing harm to his/her brothers/sisters in Christ. You, TR, are the class example of a Purpose Driven Agitator. You need to go to pastors.com and join the camaraderie there, for you would fit in beautifully with the wolves on that website. You are a wolve. I pray that you will ask for forgiveness for what you have done.
Ima
Continuallyamazed, thank you for your eloquence under pressure.
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At home this morning, my DH tried to open the Bible with his family of all females. Before he had even started, we all complained (some of us even whined!) about how we “missed church” and fellowship and good music… After letting us vent, he turned us to John 10 and began to read:
1"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. 3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
He stopped. “We cannot follow a stranger. In fact, we have run away from him!” Ah! Understanding begins to dawn on 3 little faces… and conviction on mine.
7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
14"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd….”
“OOOOh, Daddy! We need to find some of those other sheep!”
:o)
tn,
You are so blessed.
Amazed,
TR's prank was not as clever as he or she thought. I received at least 3 e-mails after his announcement reminding me today was 4/1. Quite a few were on to it but I think some of us were holding out hope that he was not that immature. Sadly, that is not so.
But I was kind of hoping for a big announcement...that perhaps the lunch box would be removed from the shrine.
No, lindon. That wasn't it. The sacred lunch box was still securely enshrined this morning! Look, I don't have a problem with the "shrine." I just thought it a bit odd that it went from being a showcase of Dr. Lee's memorabilia to one of Steve Gaines'. Bellevue did, after all, have two great pastors in between those two. Seems they'd at least get "equal" space.
The thing about "the big announcement" was it was coming from known staff members as well. Still, I really wasn't expecting anything unusual to happen today. I smelled a large rodent from the beginning.
And they call us "dumb sheep"?
I've decided to coin a new term. You've heard of Warrenism (referring to the teachings and practices of Rick Warren) and Warrenist (a follower or Rick Warren's teachings and practices). My new word is "Warrenizer", meaning one who seeks to convert others (including established churches) to those teachings and practices.
I think most folks who are not in agreement with, or who are opposed to, Warren's doctrines and ways, would probably be content (rightly or wrongly) to pay little attention to those churches that follow the PDC or seeker or CGM models, and take a live and let live approach, just like they do with various denominations they disagree with. But what really gets people upset is the attempt to inflitrate and convert or take over an established church to move it toward beliefs and practices significantly different from those already established.
Most Baptists would not argue with or contend against a Presbyterian or Pentecostal or whatever church down the street. But if new leaders or members (or even existing ones) came into that Baptist church and started espousing the doctines and polity of another denomination, the membership would be understandably upset (if they realized what was happening). Likewise, one can see why they'd be unhappy if their church is "converted" from within by "Warrenizers".
I'm junk99mail and these are my Perceptions....
koragg,
How is the single adults ministry at Germantown Baptist? Have you looked into it? I used to know some folks there who liked it, but that has been several years ago. I wonder also what's going on a Kirby Woods Baptist these days ... I used to go there a long time ago, under their first pastor.
junk,
I don't know. I haven't been over there to check it out. I had other plans today including going to meet my bowling coach and then work on a paper due tonight (Don't worry, I'm only 400 words away from finishing :) ).
I wish there was more detail about it on their website. I live all the way up at the edge of Fayette and Tipton Counties so GBC is quite a drive away for me.
I felt it was important for this thread to reach 600 posts!
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