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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 306 of 306Matthew 13:24 ¶ Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
overflowing...
Why don't you check out your leadership while you are at it, or are you just in attack mode here. Be sure and check Jackson TN and Gardendale AL records.
Ez:
Amen.
Mark 4:10-14
10And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12so that
"they may indeed see but not perceive,
and may indeed hear but not understand,
lest they should turn and be forgiven."
13And he said to them, "Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14The sower sows the word.
Overflowing...
You still have not apologized for calling them "little people." They are not my people... They belong to Jesus and should be able to meet with SG per Mt. 18. He is the undershepherd responsible to the Chief Shepherd. Part of Christ's flock is hurting and crying out to Him. The undershepherd should be much more concerned about making things right with them than worrying about a human judge. There are attorneys everywhere... But our Advocate is with the Father. These "little people" as you called them should be loved by leadership regardless of the things mentioned in your list. The reason this continues is the avoidance of what I described. The undershepherd needs to take time to gather his scattered charges and meet with them to make things right no matter what the cost. jmo
4545,
I heard a rumor that David Matlock wanted a copy to solicit insurance. I'm ok with BBC giving them a list of names only. Would that be ok with everyone?
1st Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Deacon 4545, Overflowing, ACE,
How are your posts different from all of the people you are calling names (haters, hypocrites, etc)? Why do each of you claims everyone else is full of hate and everyone else is soldout to their side?
Reading your comments on this blog are no different. Just an observation.
4545--
I think Bellevue leadership should follow the law. Don't you?
Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Mom4,
How I have missed our discussions. How have you been? I have pleaded with over and over and over for facts and evidence. Where are they?
OPEN INVITATION
I WILL MEET AT ANY PUBLIC PLACE TO GO OVER EVIDENCE. I PREFER STARBUCKS. I WILL BUY (COFFEE ONLY, I'M NOT BUYING ANY OF THAT OTHER STUFF)
OFG and Ace
You two won't be the only ones taping and getting video. :)
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Overflowing...
Are you going to apologize to those you called "little people"?
BTW... The law requires a mailing list and not merely names. They want to present to the membership the side of the story that was not allowed the night of the "informational meeting."
imo
bbc refuge,
I agree. We are all guilty. There are a few (both sides) that are innocent, but we are all fanning the flames.
25,
I am waiting on apologies from several folks for name calling. SG is waiting for an apology for the discussions about his daughter, health, salvation.
I'm sorry for calling you people little people.
lindon, How about:
Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
overflowinggrace said...
bbc refuge,
I agree. We are all guilty. There are a few (both sides) that are innocent, but we are all fanning the flames.
10:25 PM, January 31, 2007
***Overflowing. Is that it? To him who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.
What next?
Pride cometh before the fall.
Thanks Overflowing... I won't mention it again. Thank you.
So far as SG is concerned, that could happen too if there was a meeting of all concerned. We desperately need revival.
Love in Christ
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overflowinggrace said...
Charlie Fox often post the same comment because people disagree with him. He doesn’t like it when people disagree with him. He really can only function in an environment without debate. Please avoid upsetting Charlie by having a different opinion.
REPLY:
YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!!!!!!!
Charlie FOX STRONGLY encourages those that have OPPOSING VIEWS to post on this forum. True debate is HEALTHY. I STRONGLY urge BOTH SIDES to engage in a HEALTHY DEBATE on the SERIOUS ISSUES that face BBC.
However, I just as STRONGLY urge those, such as ACE , DEACON 4545 & overflowinggrace, who frequently post for the sole purpose of being antagonistic and disruptive, not to attempt to detract with their antagonistic posts. Should they do so, which is their right, I STRONGLY urge posters on BOTH sides not to respond to those types of antagonistic posts that serve NO CONSTRUCTIVE PURPOSE, but ONLY attempt to detract from the SERIOUS ISSUES that face BBC.
Nothing on here is Christlike.
Then, overflowingrace, by all means, bring it.
Bring some Christlikeness to this blog - I think you would be much more effective doing this than saying things like "nothing on here is Christlike."
bbc,
You got me, I still sin and need God's forgiveness.
Are you implying that that you do not sin?
I would have to agree with 25. If in fact we had a meeting with SG mths ago (now over a year ago), we would not be where we are. Yjid meeting has been requested in the past and denied.
CAn you imagine what a church wide meeting could do. It would not be pretty, but I believe it would be a huge step to reconciliation for all.
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Overflowing,
Please point out to me where I have implied this.
Charlie Fox often post the same comment because people disagree with him. He doesn’t like it when people disagree with him. He really can only function in an environment without debate. Please avoid upsetting Charlie by having a different opinion.
Amos, I was just looking for that one. That is the one where everyone takes the verse about 'life abundantly' out of context. He is talking 'Spiritual abundance'
I remember the first time I read that he spoke in parables on purpose so that some would not udnerstand. I have hard so many pop theologians say just the opposite. Like: Jesus told stories so people would understand. Not!
Proverbs 29:2 ¶ When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
overflowinggrace said...
Charlie Fox often post the same comment because people disagree with him. He doesn’t like it when people disagree with him. He really can only function in an environment without debate. Please avoid upsetting Charlie by having a different opinion.
REPLY:
YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!!!!!!!
Charlie FOX STRONGLY encourages those that have OPPOSING VIEWS to post on this forum. True debate is HEALTHY. I STRONGLY urge BOTH SIDES to engage in a HEALTHY DEBATE on the SERIOUS ISSUES that face BBC.
However, I just as STRONGLY urge those, such as ACE , DEACON 4545 & overflowinggrace, who frequently post for the sole purpose of being antagonistic and disruptive, not to attempt to detract with their antagonistic posts. Should they do so, which is their right, I STRONGLY urge posters on BOTH sides not to respond to those types of antagonistic posts that serve NO CONSTRUCTIVE PURPOSE, but ONLY attempt to detract from the SERIOUS ISSUES that face BBC.
bbc,
Please explain your previous post to me. What did you mean?
Pride cometh before the fall.
Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Charlie Fox,
Yes...you might say that Bailey Smith Ministries is the common denominator. I am looking at one of the brochures right now...it says Bible Conference 2007.
You can look at Gaines picture on the cover right here for yourself. :)
Overflowing,
To answer your question, I would not even imply that I do not sin.
I am an example of:
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
It was easy for me to share this verse (James 4:17, Thanks AMOS) due to the fact that God reminds me of it daily.
Proverbs 16:18 ¶ Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
imaresistor,
Thanx, I saw that earlier this PM.
Proverbs 18:12 ¶ Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.
amos,
yep, that's what I'm thinkin
Read and Pray over this before you sleep tonight.
Psalm 139
1 O LORD, you have searched me and known me!
2You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
you discern my thoughts from afar.
3You search out my path and my lying down
and are acquainted with all my ways.
4Even before a word is on my tongue,
behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
5You hem me in, behind and before,
and lay your hand upon me.
6Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
it is high; I cannot attain it.
7Where shall I go from your Spirit?
Or where shall I flee from your presence?
8If I ascend to heaven, you are there!
If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!
9If I take the wings of the morning
and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10even there your hand shall lead me,
and your right hand shall hold me.
11If I say, "Surely the darkness shall cover me,
and the light about me be night,"
12even the darkness is not dark to you;
the night is bright as the day,
for darkness is as light with you.
13For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.[a]
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there were none of them.
17How precious to me are your thoughts, O God!
How vast is the sum of them!
18If I would count them, they are more than the sand.
I awake, and I am still with you.
19Oh that you would slay the wicked, O God!
O men of blood, depart from me!
20They speak against you with malicious intent;
your enemies take your name in vain![b]
21Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD?
And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?
22I hate them with complete hatred;
I count them my enemies.
23Search me, O God, and know my heart!
Try me and know my thoughts![c]
24And see if there be any grievous way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting![d]
1st Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Dr. Fox sez,
Ignore the agitators. It's good for you health. It'll help keep you blood pressure down!!!!!
overflowinggrace said...
25,
I am waiting on apologies from several folks for name calling. SG is waiting for an apology for the discussions about his daughter, health, salvation.
I'm sorry for calling you people little people.
ofg,
First thank you for your apology. Secondly, perhaps you should go individually to any who have called you names (first make sure you haven't called anyone else names), and confront them. As for any discussion concerning SG's daughter, I can only recall someone posting one remark concerning that...if I remember correctly, the blog administrator deleted it, and cautioned everyone on the blog about bringing anyone's children into the discussion. On the issue of anyone questioning SG's salvation, again, go to the individuals who have said this and confront them. Same concerning his health. It's neither wise, nor fair to make blanket accusations on these things.
Is it snowing at anyone's house?
No snow at Poplar and Forest Hill.
2nd Timothy 2:19 ¶ Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
GO NASS!!!!!!!!
goodness
we are seeing some real maturity tonight, aren't we?
2nd Timothy 4:1 ¶ I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
It's snowing in Lakeland.
82955
Proverbs 10:23 ¶ It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.
that's really sad
Hey Charlie,
I think Overflowinggrace reached out a little tonight. I don't know whether the earlier comments made about finances, taxes etc. were serious or not. Though it sounded like blackmail, let's give OFG room to reach over the aisle on that one too.
OFG... can you revisist what sounded like a threat, please.
To all: Let's remember NASS's guidelines for this blog. If we actually hope to help this mess improve, then let's remember our Lord's command to love one another... even when it's tough too. He loved us when we were enemies. We are supposed to be a family... dysfunctional now it seems... but pray with me that it won't stay that way... Pray with me that leadership will bring the forum back in the church where it belongs. jmo
Proverbs 10:23 ¶ It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.
Proverbs 13:16 ¶ Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.
Proverbs 18:7 A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.
One of um was good ole 9599.
25+yrs@BBC said...
Hey Charlie,
I think Overflowinggrace reached out a little tonight.
Reply:
I have seen a couple of others that appear to be reaching out also.
no snow where I am, but it's worse...freezing rain it appears...can you spell ice storm?
2nd Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
and remember all the proverbs that have been posted about fools, for your blog administrator will go to bed soon, and there will probably be visitors...grace to you all
night all
Here are a few important changes that would help restore the trust of many members during these days of crisis in leadership--and I hope that the Lord will use IDC, inc. to help bring about such changes:
I. Pastoral Accountability to the Congregation:
1. A business meeting in accord with Matthew 18 to deal with the issues that remain related to Mark Sharpe and "the Dream"... and any other loose ends that should have been dealt with months ago!!
2. The giving records of the membership and the ministers on staff at Bellevue should never be for pastoral review in any shape, form, or fashion.
3. Due to concern for potential abuse, no church credit cards.
4. An admission Dr. Gaines should have never given $25k to FUMC and an explanation of policy changes to prevent a repeat.
5. A policy for open books on Holy land trips and no overcharging of members.
6. Full disclosure of ministerial compensation: salary + benefit breakdown, etc.
7. Immediate removal from office of ministers guilty of sexual immorality with immediate coordination with the appropriate authorities if any laws have been broken by a minister (no matter how long ago), including thorough investigation of the matter when the minister’s conduct may have affected other church members or their children.
8. An apology for breaking state law (from those who received copies of the requests for items per state statute within the statute's required timeframe) and compliance with the laws of the land.
II. Congregational Church governance:
Some of the congregation has awakened to the reality that our church has a set of "lay-elders," a close knit group of men who manage to be appointed to key positions year after year. The rest of the congregation needs to be awakened.
1. Those who are part of this lay-elder "power block" need to step down from positions of influence for a long time. Bellevue needs “new blood” in these key positions.
2. There needs to be the signing of a public conflict of interest form for any member that has any business contract to provide services for the church. These people should not be allowed to serve on committees that review bids for their services.
3. Congregational nomination of and election of all of the Board of Directors as called for in the 1929 bylaws.
4. A quarterly business meeting with open mike Q&A with each committee chairman. **The current bylaws mention "monthly" business meetings! When were they changed??
5. A good updated set of bylaws similar to GBC.
6. A transparent committee selection process.
7. Much greater congregational oversight of the current budget with a transparent policy for consideration of non-budgeted expenditures exceeding a reasonable amount.
8. Thorough communication with the Congregation for ANY capital project well in advance of any vote. Building prayer buildings or any other type of building should be brought through proper channels to the congregation for prayerful consideration--not coerced "rubber stamping." [By the way, Dr. Rogers taught us quite a bit about prayer. As a matter of fact, I believe all of the current buildings ARE prayer buildings already. He and Dr. Whitmire also taught us quite a bit about worship also... but that's another topic].
9. Bellevue needs to reject Warrenism fully and finally.
10. Higher standards should be put in place for the hiring of "ministers." Seminary training should be considered a normal prerequisite.
III. Treatment of ministers on staff at BBC and members:
1. A whistle blower policy for ministers, staff, and members.
2. The end of heavy handed dealing with ministers, staff, and members; and the end of signing non-disclosure statements. All ministers who have been pressured or asked to sign such non-disclosure statements should be released from them in writing by BBC! Former staff should be allowed to address the congregation and/or the deacon body either in writing or in person without any fear of reprisal regarding their exit from BBC. The congregation needs to know how their leadership has treated and is treating ministers who leave the service of our Lord through BBC.
3. Forgiveness for those in leadership who have allowed this to deteriorate to this point--AND consequences for their actions.
All in my opinion as usual.
We are to be “providing things honestly in the sight of all men” (Rom. 12:17). Revival, reform, congregational oversight... for there is level ground at Calvary and "he who would be great among you shall be the servant of all."
overflowing grace said...
Someone else said that the DHS report will be a "good day". How on earth can that be a good day. Have your people not repeatedly harassed SG?
*******
Well, so far, none of our "people" have gone to SG's house without calling first; climbed over their fence which was clearly posted as private property and no trespassing; had three other grown men accompany him on the mission; knocked on the door (all 4 of them) only to have the children answer since the parents were gone; then, called him back several days later and told him he was acting like "Hezbollah" which would be an insult to any Christian.
It's the other way around and you know it. Stop your useless accusations. You are defending the offender.
Dee
I just bought Dr Rogers book "What every Christian ought to know" and I would like to share some of it with everyone.
Facts are like a recipe, but truth is like a meal. Digest a trugh and it will change your life.
Buy the truth and do not sell it- Proverbs 23:23.
We must prize the truth--There is no way to be a happy, victorious Christian without a firm conviction based on foundational truth.
We must purchase the truth--"Buy the truth" Salvation is free, but the quest for trugh is costly. Yet while discipleship is costly, ignorance is far more costly. The quest for trugh will cost precious time, discipline, and obedience, but it is worth it.
We must preserve the truth--"Do not sell it" Some will tempt us to "sell out" Don't do it. Get a bulldog grip on the truth and never let go.
When the child of God
Loves the Word of God
And sees the Son of God,
He is changed by the Spirit of God
Into the image of God
For the glory of God
Because he has found the truth of God.
I couldn't help but think of the situation at BBC. I hope this will encourage those seeking the truth to keep on keepin on.
Where is everybody?
It's snowing in Northeast Mississippi...a rare sight. The little girl in me is showing!
(crickets chirping)
Not that anyone will care but moi is here. Wintry mix greetings to all.
Hey trollcates! Nice to see ya.
Sorry for going off on Ace and Overflowingcontempt, er Grace, but I'm a crabapple today. What's with all the veiled threats?
Good Morning everyone! :)
Looks like I missed misbehavior last night. :(
Trollcates, I'm not sure what the deal is with the threats but it creeped me out. Christians acting like that...towards fellow church members no less..it's one thing to request business meeting minutes etc. when the law provides that right, but to insinuate someone is going after personal files is just wrong. And sad.
Some were mentioning the Children Servcies report... I hate to tell you this, but DCS does not make their reports public. All they will publically report is that their investigation has been completed. They do send letters to those who were investigated, to let them know their findings, but that's about it. If charges are filed, there may be some news, but don't expect much to be made public from DCS. David Brown probably has a better explaination than i have, (I understand the basics since i have a relative who works for TN DCS).
Good morning to all. Here in Chattanooga we have some snow but soon will just be rain. It is really pretty right now though.
I want to apologize for the typos in my last post. Trugh should be Truth.
Thank you Esther for continuing to cause me to think more and thirst for God's Word more than ever before.
I want to say growing up I was abused mentally, emotionally, and physically. That is my past and it has definitely affected my present. My husband has been very supportive in this but it is hard to deal with and get over(that seems to be the attitude of some) As I continue to deal with TRUTH, I know that God is able to carry me through this. Pray for me please. I need them.
I just wish that some who come to this blog could grasp hold of the fact that for the most part the ones who are asking questions and wanting the truth, aren't out to destroy anyone. And yes ALL of this could have been avoided with Godly leadership who put truth and integrity first. Yes they are men who are human and make mistakes, but with age, education, and maturity those mistakes should not happen and continue to happen.
This is my opinion but I think the leadership has destroyed themselves. They have NO credibility.
I love the Lord more than ever before. If nothing else, what is happening at BBC has made me look at my own church a little differently. It has also caused me to look inside myself. To see that the devil is alive and well. But to remember that he is a defeated foe.
GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN ME THAN he THAT IS IN THE WORLD.
I am sorry if this seems like rambling but I just wanted to share from my heart.
Tammy
Tammy...
Thank you for the sweet posts to wake up to. I am so glad you have found it in your heart to talk with us. Your words and thoughts are very welcome here.
Trollcates...
I am glad that you are hanging with us still, too. You are a blessing to us whether you mean to be or not. I think I can say from my heart that we love you like a little brother.
Nass...
That was funny. At 12:09 AM, Piglet was saying "Where is everybody?" You sort of turned out the lights last night. That's one way to stop the birds from chirping. :)
Dee
There is a statement that The LORD Jesus made that is misused by those speaking satan's sentiments when they are rebuked for sin or when they hear others rebuked for sin. It is misused by MANY Christians and of course it is misused by the pagans in this evil world against God's true Church.
That phrase is "Do not judge!"
We have a link on our website to an excellent article entitled "The Cult Of "Do Not Judge". Indeed there is a cult of those that MISUSE The LORD Jesus' command regarding judging.
The LORD Jesus rebukes them just as He did Peter when He said to him these words..."Get thee behind me, Satan: thou are an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." (Matthew 16:23}
Please take time to read this article.
Sincerely in The LORD and ONLY Savior Jesus Christ,
Stephen and Bonita Ann Richie
Living Hope In Jesus
www.livinghopeinjesus.com
Site index link: "The Cult Of "Do Not Judge"
Heavenly Father,
I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic
for which it stands
one nation
under you
with liberty and justice
for all.
Heavenly Father,
Please help us follow the Ten Commandments, even in our hearts. Help us to read today's text from the Bible (USA english) ("thou shalt" english).
Father,
Let the world know that I have chosen to completely surrender to Jesus Christ. That was when you sealed me forever with your Holy Spirit. You also wrote my name forever in the Book of Life. I have been a new man with a new nature ever since then. I even started tithing (but I did it anonymously). Ever since then I have grown to be more like your Son. I wish that I could say that I had always been totally 100% filled with your Holy Spirit ever since then, but I can not.
You have said to always be prepared to give a reason for the hope that I have. That reason is that your only Son died for my sins at Calvary. He returned from the grave three days later. Not even death had power over my savior.
Father,
You've given me the opportunity to visit, among other places: New York, London, Paris, Athens, Jersualem, Moscow, Bombay, Beijing, Honolulu, and Los Angeles.
Father,
It it with total truth that I can speak to anyone and say that Memphis, TN loves your Son, Jesus Christ, better than any of these places.
Father,
In my humble opinion:
Memphis, TN...
...is ****the best city on earth****.
Please let the Great Commission move forward today in Brunei. In Jesus's name, Amen.
sickofthelies said...
More good news tonight, guys.
A friend of mine who was solidly in SG's camp last september, has done a 180!!!
After sunday night, she is LIVID.
This is not the same person I talked about last night.
This is another person.
The rats are fleeing the ship.
Are we to presume that you consider those with whom you disagree to be "rats," or is that an unintended consequence of your analogy?
--Mike
I am curious.
I know that some have formed the IDC. I think this is a good step towards resolution.
To the same end, is there anyone forming prayer ministries for the church - A place to meet and pray for restoration?
I think both sides of the issues could attend this????
From the Cult of Do Not Judge:
"There has been a trend going on for a number of years that has dulled the spiritual senses of the church and leavened the convictions of many a Christian. It has risen to new heights as of late where if anyone has anything to say about another they are told, “Don't judge, “touch not my anointed” “do my prophets no harm” etc. Maybe if some of the people that quote these verses would look at what they actually say “in context,” they wouldn't have such flawed arguments, they would not find themselves becoming entangled emotionally. Its not just finding a few words to prove a position, but what do they mean in the Scripture in its context and can they apply to us today.
What is ironic is that to tell people they are judgmental is to judge them. What people are doing is recommending for us not to judge by the word of God, but dispense with any discernment, just like they do it.
What they argue is just don't test it, or don't say this because I know such and such for years and they are doing great things for God. That's judging isn't it? And it is done by appearance. Then when this does not work they will respond by calling names and threatening people using Bible cliché's as “don't judge” “don't touch God's anointed,” “do my prophets no harm,” etc., all taken out of context. If they were to think biblically they would realize we are all anointed, not just some, and to come against another brother or sister that is trying to obey Scripture means they too are coming against God's anointed. Everyone in the body of Christ is anointed; nonetheless what someone teaches is to be tested. How do we know this? Paul commended the Thessalonians for doing so, even when it was Paul himself that was being examined by Scripture (Acts 17:11).That is a right Spirit.
So many have been indoctrinated into the constraint of don't say anything against another no matter how far off they are. Let God will deal with them. If this were true, then why are we given all the commands in Scripture to judge? Why all the warnings that deception and falsehood will permeate the Church in the end and we are to be on guard? We are told to deal with it and not allow it to continue. It's not to say that we make mountains out of molehills, but some are already mountains that need to be moved.
So lets speak to the mountain, speak to those who congregate at the foot of it and tell them.
Protectors of false teachers will say Jesus said, “not to Judge,” quoting Matthew 7:1, therefore that we cannot “judge.” At first glance it appears that Jesus does forbid judging, but lets continue to read the passage. Matthew 7:1-5: “Judge not, that you be not judged.” For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.” And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?” Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?” Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.”
In other words you can judge as along as you are not doing the same thing. If you want to help another and have taken care of yourself in this area, then you are able to see and operate on your brother. Jesus does not say don't operate under any circumstances, but allows us to remove the speck when we can see. But Jesus goes on and says in v:6: “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.” What He is saying is that we need to make sure whom we are engaged with.
When you try to correct someone with the Holy Word and they are haters of truth they will not receive the pearls and will turn on you. So we are to weigh out whom we give the Word of God out to."
So Scripturally, if you have been protecting a pedophile while at the same time critisizing Gaines, you are wrong and should not judge him until you take that log out of your eye.
Dear brother and sisters: I am so saddened to see these attacks and threats from the last few days but mainly yesterday. I was in touch with the DA's office helping this new victim when I read some of the threats. I told them about it and have asked that they review them. They are. I understand that some of you have received some very threatening emails. Would you please send me copies? I will forward them on to the proper authorities.
NASS I would ask that as untasteful as it may be you leave the posts of ACE up at least for the time being.
It is ok to aruge and disagree but when you step over and make personal threats as some of you have, that may very well border on criminal activity. And for those so stupid enough to email threats, your IP address can be traced. I don't care who you are using.
If any of you want to take your shots at me instead, I welcome it. I have been through that meat grinder when my story was publish in 2005 and I am still here.
Please ALL of us, let's consider our tongue. Much has been said in Scripture about it. You may call it typing but it is the tongue that is directing it.
I love you all and it hurts to see the kind of things I have seen the last few days. We are after all fellow believers and saints in His wonderful Body. We must act it. Please.
David Brown
SNAP coordinatior of West Tennessee and Memphis
Thanks David,
I am so glad you wrote that. I thought that, too when I saw the personal threats against the IDC and others. And what was done to NASS on this board.
There are instances that IP addresses have been traced for threats. I think everyone posting here should be aware that asking for transparancy and truth from leaders you pay with your tithe dollars is a far cry from threatening to dig dirt on IDC. Some of that dirt was published here last night in generic form.
This is exactly what the Clinton Administration did to those who asked too many questions and demanded accountability.
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Dear Logan: You are right about how DCS handles these cases. Unless there are arrests, NO ONE except those involved will know the results. And I sincerely doubt and hope there are NO arrests in this case.
I know a lot of people are wanting blood, more action and such. I only want the truth. But there has been much good to come out of it. Several victims from other abusers from other churches have come forward and are seeking help and they are presently Bellevue members Now Saints: we should all rejoice it that! That always happens when an abuse case becomes public. That is why I speak out as I do. That is to let other victims know there is help.
Now these hurting and wounded saints can go from being a victim to being a survivor. They no longer have to hide their hurt and shame in secret. Praise the Lord! HE is on the Throne. We do not serve a God of accidents, we serve a God of Purpose. It is for HIS Purpose. Nothing else.
Please join me in prayer for all that have come forward and for those thinking about it. Also please be in prayer for all those that post on here. Much prayer is needed.
I love you all and to HIM be all the Glory and Praise!!!!!
David Brown
SNAP coordinator of West Tennessee and Memphis
Sister Pam, As usual, you have blessed me with your words, and reminded me to look inward before looking outward. About that teaching thing...if you ever do, I sure am interested!
David,
Thank you again for your posts. I admire you and work more than I can say. You will remain in my prayers, as will the other victims...that are now becoming survivors!
Hey,you guys:
Last night after Charlie's 11:09 post I lost the ability to refresh. I went out of the forum and came back in but still could not refresh. Hence the following messages:
Where is everybody?
(crickets chirping)
Then I had to reregister for my screen name today. Anyone else having weird problems?
ngxsvbnanasboys3,
My deal lady...you are not rambling. You are telling it like it is. If only there were many others who would show the discernment you are. Thank you for joining in. And God bless you.
Ima
Thanks for the wonderful encouragement Ima. I really appreciate them.
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