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I was shocked to learn this morning that this little corner of Blogland is being blogged about all over.
Thanks to "bin wonderin" for that information.
Someone with the screen name "closetotheinnercircle" posted this series of comments this week raising some insightful questions and making some interesting predictions. Now, this person doesn't have the track record of "blessmewiththetruth" and "uturn" (remember them?), but if anyone has any knowledge of any of the things this person posted, the floor is yours.
This is not an attempt to spread rumors, and while it may have been "close's" intent to do just that, it is not my intent here. Please limit discussion of the issues listed to facts or at least make it clear if you're only speculating about something. In other words, please refrain from running amok.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 402 Newer› Newest»well it looks like "bbc employee" went back and deleted all of their incremenating post.
I did want to point out to those casual observors (non-poster - I can't stand the word lurker for some reason) that it took all of about 10 minutes to expose a lie on this blog.
For all the administrations attempts to discredit the blog as being full of lies, slander, rumor. That kind of stuff is not tolerated here. We have investigated and verified and proven almost every allegation that has appeared. I can virtually guarantee that the point that "bbc employee" was making concerning Dr. Rogers having asked Steve Gaines to resign will eventually be verified as well.
It looks like he will preach on finances the last Sunday:
New Beginnings with Pastor Steve
Join Pastor Steve for his new sermon series entitled “New Beginnings” each Sunday during the month of January. Discover new beginnings in focus, faith, forgiveness, and finances. Start the new year with a fresh look at what God’s Word says about these areas of your life.
AOG, we watched Dr Kennedy on TV (prerecorded of course:) - during dinner tonight. He was a blessing to us - we prayed for him and Dr Mohler and their families and will continue to do so.
Thank you for keeping us informed.
Did precious bring his cookies to play?
www.JesusDotCalm,
Please e-mail me and I will forward some information to you.
i-flyaway said...
It looks like he will preach on finances the last Sunday:
New Beginnings with Pastor Steve
Join Pastor Steve for his new sermon series entitled “New Beginnings” each Sunday during the month of January. Discover new beginnings in focus, faith, forgiveness, and finances. Start the new year with a fresh look at what God’s Word says about these areas of your life.
10:07 PM, January 06, 2007
Iflyaway,
Correct but Steve Gaines words to the Deacons and to the Church on another time was that during the "Entire" month of Januaury, not just only one week...Just like last Januaury he preached all 4 weeks in Januaury.
WOW, Mrs Ace (Pat?) must have not made the cookies tonight - anger management classes are on Wed night during C.A.R.E.
Ace,
I'm telling you I heard SG tell the Deacons that last year and I guess you were not there.
What exactly did he preach I cant recall but I know what I heard.
Ok….a little Saturday evening humor.
A few moments ago I thought I was sitting in a 9:30 church service at BBC and Steve Gaines walked up on to the platform.
Reason: I was watching the football game on TV. Any way, the Cowboys just fumbled at the 1-yard line, most likely blowing the game. The fans were standing on their feet, clapping, cheering, yelling, screaming, whooping it up. I turned to my wife and asked her if we were sitting in our den or if we were at a Steve Gaines Sporting Event!
The big difference is that this was truly a sporting event on tv and not God’s house…
Ace said-
Blah…blah…blah
ace said...
Member,
I'm telling you I heard SG tell the Deacons that last year and I guess you were not there.
Are you a deacon? Maybe you misheard him.
ACE,
Listen up again, as I just told you I heard SG say that in a Deacons meeting last year.
I automatically read my Bible now asking the 5 W's and H: Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How?
I do not go to outside sources, i.e. commentaries, until I have gleaned as much from the passage as I can. Since I started studying this way, I have discovered that the "truth and nothing but the truth" has not always been given to me.
The truth surely does set us free!!
Google: labryinth baptist and see what you get.
By the way 2nd baptist in town has one.
facts_only_please,
But they did fumble, most likely losing the game. Go team!
Good night folks...gotta get some sleep - see ya in church - somewhere!
Tim-
Final score:
Seattle 21
Dallas 20
See you in the morning!
Ace said-
Blah…blah…blah
Ace got trumped LOL No truer words spoken! tsk! tsk!
ace said...
Member,
Listen up again, as I just told you I heard SG say that in a Deacons meeting last year.
People are weird...maybe you snuck into a meeting and eavesdropped? Some of the people here would do that in a heartbeat...
10:20 PM, January 06, 2007
ACE,
I wont repeat it again, I was there and I guess you were not, I guess you werent, were you?
Every time that old fox steps onto the scene he does what he sets out to do: utter confusion
Ace is just a big mouth with some fingers attached to type. What can you expect?
Ace does not take himself seriously, and is shining everyone on, so we should not take him seriously. Not that anyone does.
ace said...
Member,
I wont repeat it again, I was there and I guess you were not, I guess you werent, were you?
Then don't repeat it again...I didn't ask you to so quit complaining.
10:27 PM
Ace,
I guess you wont answer my question so I will rephrase it.
Were you at any of the Deacons meetings last year?
If not, you have no knowledge of this.
overflowinggrace said:
The labyrinth is a tool to use in contemplative prayer and meditation. Labyrinths are often confused with mazes. But while a maze has dead ends and blind alleys, the labyrinth has only one path leading both in and out of the center. The labyrinth is flat. One can always see the center. The destination is assured, so that the mind can be still and attentive.
Walking the labyrinth clears the mind and gives us insight into our spiritual journeys. The labyrinth does nothing on its own. It is simply a tool helpful for many people in deepening their prayer lives. Each walk into and out of the labyrinth is a unique opportunity to meet our creative, loving God through contemplative prayer.
****
and this is what fedup says:
BUNK!!!
This is just psycho babble
ACE,
OK I just researched it and SG did say that he always preaches the last week in Januaury on finances. I will admit when I have made an error.
Now be man enough to answer my question. Were yu at any Deacons meetings last year?
Everyone has such a fantastic sense of humor! It is hilarious tonight! I love the answer: ABUNK! Short, honest and right to the point!
I like OOOmmmpah! It is also honest and to the point.
Ace could you slow down and try to make some sense that last post had my head spinning.
Brother Ace is correct. SG preaches the same general topics in January each year. Remember him saying that last January. One was finances and he said that if you didn't want to hear one about finances, then don't come in January, because he didn't tell ahead of time which topic would be covered on what Sunday. Never heard him say he was going to preach on finances on EVERY Sunday in January. Sorry, but I'll have to side with Ace on this one. He's right. (Ouch..man, that hurts!) :)
On a side note, I did follow up on a "rumor" concerning continued work by one man to challenge Dr. Spradlin at the seminary. Support for Dr. Spradlin - at least in the form of letters and emails - is running 80-20 in Dr. Spradlin's favor, so that's great.
I was quite pleased to hear the Brother Mike kicked a couple of members of the Bellevue "Goon Squad" out of his office after one of them referred to the "old spinmeister being gone" - and rebuked them in the name of Jesus no less!!! It still disturbs me greatly that they have not honored Mrs. Rogers request and made the statement that Dr Rogers knew nothing of the PW issue. I guess I can hope that might be done tomorrow or after the "investigation", but I won't hold my breath.
Looking forward to church tomorrow....but only because I won't be at BBC, Inc. :)
fedup,
that post was a little scary huh?
Ed,
Never heard him say he was going to preach on finances on EVERY Sunday in January. Sorry, but I'll have to side with Ace on this one. He's right. (Ouch..man, that hurts!) :)
Thank you for your post...it is appreciated.
Ace said,
Roddy, are you me? I don't this so. Do don't tell me what I do and don't take seriously. Alright? Now I know it's hard for you to do, but please try to act mature and your age.
That was the one I was talking about.
Ace: LOL
"I don't this so." "Do don't tell me." You are hilarious! Like I said, you don't take yourself seriously and I don't take you with any thing more than a grain of salt! You are entertaining. You stir things up and shoot from the mouth! Jusst enough to be a hilarious diversion.
ez,
correction made and resent.
Ace said-
Must stand...must clap...must whistle...must cheer
and
blah...blah...blah
Ah thanks :) I'm not a Dr or Master of anything so sometimes things get by me.
Oooo yes I love Dr. Pepper. So Ace, do you think SG will apologize again for something tomorrow? If so what might it be?
I find it interesting that the bloggers who claim that this blog is full of nothing but vicious lies and rumors and gossip come back to participate night after night.
Ace,
If this blog is as evil as you claim, why do you continue to read it and post to it? You are perpetuating the same activity what you claim to abhor.
Here is my point – If you believe that this blog is sinful but you continue to read it and/or post then you are sinning by doing so.
Remember when Bevis was hooked up to the lie detector machine. He was asked what 2 + 2 equals. He answered incorrectly but the expert conducting the test said since Bevis really thought 2 + 2 = 5, it was not a lie because he didn’t know any better. Perhaps your specific case is a reversal!
If you bother yourself to read anything posted by Ace, you can see that he is an idiot and incapable of creating a logical argument. This is why he mostly copy clips comments made by other bloggers.
Don’t feel too bad Ace, you do have entertainment value, although I’m getting bored. You need some new material or I will start scrolling on by.
Ace,
You know I'd like to go. I just don't think I'd be going for the right reasons. More to find fault in what he says and how things are done than to worship. We'll probably stay home and listen to a good sermon from sermonaudio.com and read the bible.
bbc employee,
Did it not amaze you that the blog that is so full of lies/slander/gossip/rumor, shot you down in less than 10 minutes?
Really nothing more to say about that. Just that facts have come out here first and proven here as well. Lies/slander/gossip/rumor don't last long with this group.
Guys,
I know Ace has had his moments on the blog. He pretty clearly was right on with his comments about the finances discussion you all were having. It doesn't do this blog justice to act the way someone is acting.
Who ever is Ace's Mom is, you are just hilarious! I have needed to laugh like this. If you are the same one with the blah, blah blah's you are priceless!
It's late and a little levity is good for us. Ace brings us that opportunity.
Tim,
I tried clicking on email and nothing happened...sorry i am new at this. 8-(
ju,
You have mail.
ACE,
Dont you beleive Steve Gaines, he said the blog is for kooks and cowards.
Sooo, which one are you???
Ace,
You don't even remember your own posts and attempts at argument.
I'm just asking for some new material from you. You have some competition now and may have to start offering your posts at the discounted rate.
www.JesusDotCalm,
You need to send me an e-mail so that I can get your e-mail address and send one back.
My e-mail is timfrombbc@yahoo.com.
mom4 said- The reason he is not preaching on finances, is because he thinks he has plenty and is trying to hold on to his job so he can keep his hands on it -
REPLY- 100% junk. I see I missed nothing today but more hate filled posts from this great Christian blog.
tim ...i'll try again in the am.
truthslueth...you know someone with my email if you should need to email me...8>)
good night
More junk from 4545
ju,
NASS wouldn't do that. Far to nice of a person to do that.
Now, me, I might but it isn't me either.
I would expect that it is probably a lurker that got tired of watching people deal with Ace and wanted to have a little fun.
They aren't the nicest on earth, but on the other hand they are fairly harmless.
It is very interesting that the only two people who accuse others of "hate posts" are the only ones guilty of doing that. There is only trouble and strife and hate when 4545 and Ace arrive on the scene. Is that what's called projection?
Ace said-
Blah…blah…blah
Ace,
You should see if your high-school offers a debate class. Its like you want to argue but just can't figure out how to do it. urrggggg!
Ace is very mature.
Ha..ha ha...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Member said...
ACE,
Dont you beleive Steve Gaines, he said the blog is for kooks and cowards.
Sooo, which one are you???
11:03 PM, January 06, 2007
Come on Ace, answer the question.
Goodnight everyone.
I want you all to pray for the children sitting in the worship center tomorrow who are currently being sexually abused. Conservative statistics say that 1 in 5 children will be sexually molested by the time they are 18.
In a crowd of 7,000 folks, i can guarantee you that some of them are children that are being abused.
When these children hear 7,000 adults stand up and scream and hoot and holler for a man that concealed a pedophile, it sends a message to them that nobody cares, and that adults are not going to take pedophilia seriously. It tells them that there is no one to defend them.
4545
I think I see things a little more clearly than you,I DON'T ANY HATE FROM ANYONE ON THIS BLOG EXCEPT FOR
YOU AND ACE
ace,
It could be anyone, but it ain't me.
ju,
That is rather surprising. I have received numerous e-mails. Some of them have been quite serious, others have been joking, but none of them have been offensive.
Stop feeding the trolls tonight. Steve Tucker and Rex Jones are just having fun in a very serious arena.
On another note, does anyone have any knowledge of a letter that was sent to all deacons from Dr. Mike Pruett?
I hear Dr. Mike Pruett has written a letter to all deacons asking that a list of all members who have slandered Steve Gaines to be gathered. Dr. Mike Prett is supposely asking that all names be brought before the church for discipline.
This should really be interesting. Dr. Mike Pruett hopefully practices medicine better than he practices being a deacon at Bellevue.
If any deacon has knowledge of a letter from Dr. Mike Pruett, please post the letter on the blog for all to see.
I think we need to get a list of all staff members and deacons who have not told the truth and bring them before the church. Oh, I forgot there isn't a way for that to happen at Bellevue.
What has the boys stirred up is the fact that they don't have control of the IMAG anymore. The era of shutting down the truth is over. Their gig is up.
May truth prevail soon at Bellevue before the church is ripped to shreds.
By the way, August had an average attendance in worship of over 9,400.
For the past two months, we could have had one service instead of two and fit everyone in.
Last week, we had 6,000 in both services combined. 2,400 in the 11:00 and 3,600 in the 9:30.
I guess there are more than 80 people that are more than just upset about our leadership.
Member,
Dont you beleive Steve Gaines, he said the blog is for kooks and cowards.
I'm not going to answer that question because you are trying to make a fool out of me. Quit being a bully and grow up.
Ace said-
“precious”
“whatever”
“oh well”
“I could care less what you say”
“he doesn’t know doodily squat”
“an admition (sic) of error”
“quit being a bully and grow up”
fedupatbbc,
The support for all of the standing ovations and open displays is gone. Steve Gaines will probably be sorely disappointed but these displays had to end at some point and they never should have been started.
AceGotTrumped,
And the purpose of your last message was....? You are wasting posts on this board with your meaningless and garbage posts.
2020 said...
4545
I think I see things a little more clearly than you,I DON'T ANY HATE FROM ANYONE ON THIS BLOG EXCEPT FOR
YOU AND ACE
11:14 PM, January 06, 2007
Let me correct that statement ,I don't see hate on this blog except from Ace and 4545
mace,
If my math is correct 9,400 minus 6,000 equals 3,400. I do expect that is a bit more than 80.
Does Dr Pruett intend on trying to discipline 3,400 people. Good Luck. They might need to keep an ambulance on hand for Dr. Pruett.
Is it not jumping the gun slamming the sermon tomorrow before it is even preached?
Tim,
When the numbers can be used to glorify Steve Gaines, they can and will be used. When the numbers can't be used to glorify Steve Gaines, they don't exist.
11:14 PM, January 06, 2007
Mace said...
Stop feeding the trolls tonight. Steve Tucker and Rex Jones are just having fun in a very serious arena.
On another note, does anyone have any knowledge of a letter that was sent to all deacons from Dr. Mike Pruett?
I hear Dr. Mike Pruett has written a letter to all deacons asking that a list of all members who have slandered Steve Gaines to be gathered. Dr. Mike Prett is supposely asking that all names be brought before the church for discipline.
This should really be interesting. Dr. Mike Pruett hopefully practices medicine better than he practices being a deacon at Bellevue.
If any deacon has knowledge of a letter from Dr. Mike Pruett, please post the letter on the blog for all to see.
I think we need to get a list of all staff members and deacons who have not told the truth and bring them before the church. Oh, I forgot there isn't a way for that to happen at Bellevue.
What has the boys stirred up is the fact that they don't have control of the IMAG anymore. The era of shutting down the truth is over. Their gig is up.
May truth prevail soon at Bellevue before the church is ripped to shreds.
By the way, August had an average attendance in worship of over 9,400.
For the past two months, we could have had one service instead of two and fit everyone in.
Last week, we had 6,000 in both services combined. 2,400 in the 11:00 and 3,600 in the 9:30.
I guess there are more than 80 people that are more than just upset about our leadership.
11:15 PM, January 06, 2007
Mace,
WOW, I knew it looked pretty empty the last few weeks and your numbers would have been about my guess.
Do you have any numbers on the giving?
Memphis,
Perhaps it was jumping the gun to publish the outline so early before it was preached.
memphis,
the sermon outline is already posted on the Bellevue web site.
The scripture references and context is the worst that I have ever seen in my life.
If you want you can try and offer a reason why a pastor would be so Scripturally unsound. Good Luck. This thing is so far out in left field the "moonies" wouldn't have it.
Would you find it interesting that Nass put of a helicopter carrying a box then a fake AP story to go with it about how they had to chopper in SG's salary in an email and sent it out?
What exactly is church discipline in the baptist church? They wouldn't excommunicate anyone because that would be bad for the numbers.
lastdance,
I don't have any $ numbers but if I'm correct, any decline in $$$$$ will get the current leadership's attention.
It may be time to start checking the tithes of everyone.
mace,
It would certainly be interesting to know about the letter from Dr. Pruett. I would like the opportunity to speak before the deacons myself. I am feel certain that there are a number of people that would dearly love that opportunity.
Oh goodness- Ace is getting a little upset? a little grumpy? a little frustrated? a little irritated? Poor ace...our precious, precious ace is getting a little out of sorts. Ace is acting pathetic.
Ace- You are the one posting garbage. I am sure we will see you standing tomorrow morning. You should wear nice bright chase lights! That way Brother Steve can blow you a kiss, give you a thumbs up, maybe even a little wink, and you can stand up a little taller in your spot. Hey, you may even be leadership material!
And, by the way, "ju" should be ashamed for falsely accusing NASS of this blog name. Oops...I think JU just implied (if my wording is accurate) that his opinion was fact! Wrong...wrong...wrong. You do owe NASS an apology for your false and highly inaccurate statement.
Finally, NASS, I apologize to you for my silliness this evening. Please forgive me for my goofiness.
Good night all! Ace_got_Trumped has left the building.
Did any of you know about the letter sent to the parents of the kids at BBC before today?
tim,
"The scripture references and context is the worst that I have ever seen in my life.
"If you want you can try and offer a reason why a pastor would be so Scripturally unsound."
Maybe you haven't read Dr. Rogers' "Predestined to hell? Absolutely not!" If we're going to start talking about being completely sound to Scripture, you should recognize it isn't something that started with Dr. Gaines.
ju,
Yeah I saw that e-mail. Frankly, I thought it was funny. What was that you found to be so offensive about it.
Tim,
I know of a few people who would love the chance. If Dr. Mike Pruett thinks dragging truthseekers before the Sanhedrin is going to fly, he's badly mistaken. Steve Gaines and Dr. Mike Pruett don't want a piece of that pie.
Ace, you have an email
I guess I'm just dense Tim but I had to ask if that was for real. That's how bad things were for me at the time. I actually thought it could be real.
graceupongrace,
Read it. If you would please point out what is Scripturally unsound. Make sure that you keep your scripture in context.
Predestination is a subject that will be debated until Christ returns. So big deal with that. So you are saying that you have a differing opinion. Big deal with that as well.
Dr. Pruett
Here are a few names to add to list to kick out of the church trucker,blessmewiththetruth, nthepew,uturn,imarestor, and all others on this evil mean blog. by the way don't forget me 2020.
Does anyone know if the dollar amount to the church each is public record.
Let's call the church and start asking how much was given in the month of December and for the 2007 year to date.
We could call and ask each month and then post the amounts.
Tim, I just think it is premature to judge a sermon before it is heard (my opinion) I admit I am not a Bible scholar, but......
I'm not letting anyone put a rubber glove on me who doesn't have better sense than this.
Ace, just sent it right before I posted that I sent you one.
outsider,
Wonderful suggestion if that is what you feel led to do. I suppose that would be a matter of conviction. So yours might be different than mine.
What do they consider slander? Anything that doesn't back up sg 100%? It speaking the truth slander?
Make that call the church each week and ask how much was given.
Why do this? Well because SG talks about the numbers when it helps his cause. He believes numbers are great to quote when they are large, but what about when the numbers dont look so great?
memphis,
The outline and scripture references are posted on Bellevues web site. It would matter a hill of beans about what is said, if the outline and scripture references that are given there are used. It is simply and completely unBiblical.
Does anyone know if the IRS is investigating Bellevue? My sources tell me there is something going on. Please, just facts.
Memphis said...
Tim, I just think it is premature to judge a sermon before it is heard (my opinion) I admit I am not a Bible scholar, but......
11:41 PM, January 06, 2007
memphis I'm sure you will find it to be a wonderful sermon full of wisdom, then one day when you attain some degree of spiritual maturity you will realize that tomorrows sermon will be empty and self serving like all the rest of them.
Steve Gaines did admit he used the Bellevue credit card but he paid it back. Agreed that he paid it back, but it should have never happened in the first place.
Just my opinion.
"Your child's welfare is at the center of everything we do."
I wonder if Paul Williams doing the interviewing of a lot of the children's workers is what is meant by this statement?
Just my opinion.
2020, are you judging my spiritual maturity becasue I said I was not a Bible scholer????
Folks,
I am off to bed.
I am really excited about the opportunity to have Dr. Pruett call me before the deacon body.
Not even something that I would have to think about beforehand. I would honestly expect that they would be far more worried than I would be. Most of the deacons that are left at this point in time couldn't tell the diffence beteween the Bible and the Koran.
Except maybe John Caldwell and Dr. Pruett, they both know that the Bible is bound in leather and the Koran is bound in sheepskin.
Ace, I do not know what to say, my other email was received I sent out right after yours.
Ace says
It depends. Was the person actually being pathetic? If they were, then it's not an attack...it's the truth.
pot calling kettle black?????
See you on the third row tomorrow.
Just got back home and started reading...
I am just wondering...
Who declared tonight Official "Be Mean To Ace" night? Is there really nothing else to talk about?
lastdance,
in any church I have ever been a part of, the weekly offerings were posted in either the following week's bulletin or in the weekly newsletter.
memphismom02,
I have some info for you that you asked about last night.
Please e-mail me and I will forward it to you.
I forgot. I'll be the one not standing.
socwork,
Who ever heard of a church not telling their members how much money is given, how much money is in the bank, and how are we spending the money?
2020, I am really offended that you are fit to judge my spiritual maturity. Who are you to judge anyone? You do not know me in the least. I know I am saved by the blood of Jesus. I think you owe me an apology.
Memphis said...
2020, are you judging my spiritual maturity becasue I said I was not a Bible scholer????
11:52 PM, January 06, 2007
No because you think that steve gaines is a deep spiritual gifted speaker,who digs out the meat of Gods words and leaves one convicted of sins in their life with a desire to repent and turn away from their sins,and live Godly lives. The reality is that steve gaines gives shallow and self serving sermons and you are incapable of seeing this
mace,
exactly.
Tim,
You have mail...
TS
mace,
I have not heard anything concerning an IRS audit. Although, I would not be surprised. There has been so much secrecy concerning the finances and it only takes one member of the chruch to sign a statement to have the IRS conduct an investigation. I am not sure if that one person even has to be a current member, I believe that it could be filed by a former member.
2020,
"No because you think that steve gaines is a deep spiritual gifted speaker,who digs out the meat of Gods words and leaves one convicted of sins in their life with a desire to repent and turn away from their sins,and live Godly lives. The reality is that steve gaines gives shallow and self serving sermons and you are incapable of seeing this."
I'm going to have to call you out on this one. Even Dr. Rogers could not convict someone of their sins; that is the Holy Spirit's work. If God's word is read, God's word will not return void, and it is living and active, sharper than a double-edged sword. The preacher doesn't even have to be half good, and he could even say some false things, and a sinner could be convicted.
stillwaiting,
"1. The apology to Dr. Whitmire was misleading. It was never a sincere apology, in the sense that he would like for us to think. It was more of a "surrender" type of an apology. There was no remorse. No humbleness. No genuine "I'm really sorry."
I could be wrong, but I believe that after he gave his apology on stage he went to Dr. Whitmire personally and gave further explanation, etc., and Dr. Whitmire accepted the apology (it was different than the first apology he had given Dr. Whitmire, which seemed like a "surrender" one). Either way we have to remember that only Jesus knows what is in man (John 2:25).
I'm still trying to catch up on my reading, but I just saw where I've been accused of posting under different screen names tonight. I assure you that isn't the case. I don't have time or care to participate in such nonsense.
As for "ju's" post about the helicopter photo, that is correct. There was, however, nothing sinister about it as he implied. Maybe "ju" would like to share some of his conspiracy theories about SG and PW and how he thinks SG is a man who obviously doesn't spend time in prayer. Or at least that's what he told me.
I think I'll go take the trash out now.
NASS
graceupongrace
Do you find steve gaines's sermons insightful or selfserving???
cjesusnme,
They are afraid of the truth.
Truth is convicting to the Believer.
stillwaiting said..
"I just wanted us to get a little credit for forgiving Dr. Gaines when forgiveness is warranted."
I am pretty sure I missed the part of the Bible that say we are only to forgive when it is "warranted".
2020, are you just going to dismiss my posting requesting an apology for judging my spiritual maturity?
This was posted to http://coffeetradernews.blogspot.com/
"If I might ask...Are you personal friends of the Williams? Your characterization of him as an "unrepentant pedophile who posed as a minister of prayer for 17 years" is inflammatory. At least put the facts as you know them, not as you speculate. At least realize that a confession of sin was made and ask yourself if you actually know the condition of his heart...repentant or unrepentant...on what basis do you post your conclusions? Consider that he actually HAS repented of his sin. I think one thing is VERY likely...all others who walk around Bellevue with a sin in their past (or present) like this will now be even less compelled to confess it, repent of it, and seek healing and restoration from the body. Maybe these blogs will encourage others to go on hiding a sin of this nature and even other sins as well. "
Is this not the saddest thing you have ever read? If only...if only this passion was saved for the victims!
I am never ceased to be amazed at the biblical ignorance in our land! Perhaps we should have Ted Haggard counsel Homosexuals who are coming out of their sin? I mean, he repented on paper, right? I mean, I am sure he was GOING to repent before he was outed, right?
Phil413, maybe he went to apologize again because Whitmire wasn;t in attendance when he made the apology publicly????
I know some folks who have forgiven Steve Gaines and some of our deacons even though forgiveness was not asked for.
Memphis said...
2020, are you just going to dismiss my posting requesting an apology for judging my spiritual maturity?
12:17 AM, January 07, 2007
Do you believe that steve gaines' sermons are insightful or selfserving ,answer that and you answer your own question.
2020,
"graceupongrace
Do you find steve gaines's sermons insightful or selfserving???"
There have been many occasions where I have greatly benefited from Dr. Gaines sermons. I appreciated his distinction between "provider" and "provision" made in his Thanksgiving sermon; or his quote about the safety net in the Blessed Assurance sermon, to give two recent examples.
I also am not seeing the connections some people make in Dr. Gaines sermons, e.g., connecting how Joseph dealt with Mary forgivingly to how we should be forgiving to Rev. Williams? I didn't ever hear him say that in the sermon. And by the way, that exposition wasn't out in left field. Go read Matthew Henry's commentary on Matthew 1, and it's a point he drives home.
With that said, I think it could be argued that his sermons are self-serving at times. E.g., there's a sermon on forgiveness in a couple weeks. With that said... let's be honest, is forgiveness not something that Scripture teachers? Even if Dr. Gaines motives are not pure in preaching (and I personally prefer expositional preaching - going straight through a book, as he is actually doing on Sunday Nights with Sermon on the Mount, but not on Sunday mornings) - we must remember God's word will not return void and is living and active. It will accomplish what it set out to do.
stillwaiting,
sorry for the tone on that. It is late and I am tired.
I stand by the content of what I said, but I swear it did not sound so rude in my head.
2020, since I gave no opinion on his yet to be preached sermon or his posted outline, your question is irrelavant.
Good evening... er, I guess morning now... to you lindon. I posted something agreeing with your stance on lawsuits among believers on my blog (which you can get to by clicking on my name).
Anyone can be taught to preach. You could take an actor that is a professed athiest and train him to preach a sermon straight from the Word.
Does that make it right to fill the pulpit with this actor? God's word will not return void but that doesn't make it right to have a man behind the pulpit that lacks integrity.
I'm off to bed so I can SIT through another selfserving sermon tomorrow and for you SG supporters I will be sitting when you all give SG those hero worshipping standing "O"'s .
Forgiveness is always warranted. period. Jesus forgave those that were crucifying him as it happened. I don't think they apologized at all.
You don't have to want him as your pastor, but you should still forgive him.
2020,
You said alot about yourself to me. First by questioning to know my spiritual maturity, then refusing to even consider an apology to me.
I have tried to stay respectful on this site, trying to be clear, respectful and not argumentative when I post.
I am shocked that more people have not spoke up to your post. guess that says alot huh?
memphis,
Just wanted to say that I highly appreciate your non-argumentative, respectful tone in posting.
It's something we should all consider: is the way I'm treating others glorifying God?
graceupongrace,
just wanted to say hi before hitting the hay...i left a comment on your last post on your blog. Good night all.
memphis,
just for the record..i have no clue about your level of spiritual maturity...or anyone else's.
allofgrace, I agree. The person I can say with 100% certainity is going to Heaven is me. Same as anyone else on here. People can all say they are saved, but you yourself, is the only one that truly knows.
Which is why people to not need to be saying things like 2020 did to me, and when I stated I was offended and asked for an apology, they totally ignored it. Says alot to me.
I think I will head to bed myself- that alarm does go off early in the morning!!
Stillwaiting- I would like to discuss this further as well. perhaps it is better discussed over email.
I am sure it won't count for anything around here, but I do agree that 2020 owes Memphis an apology!
Most people here sure are quick to demand one from SG!
WOW, now not only have I been called "spiritually immature", but also stupid?
Gee thanks David Matlock
BePatient, thanks
"Memphis, I really thought you were smarter than that."
Respectfully, I disagree. I know of no other way to take that remark.
I would think that my post to you in the first place was a logical one, and one that I would expect a pastor to do. To not rely on word of mouth about the public apology to him and I would expect him to also make a personal apology as well.
Fedup said,
"When these children hear 7,000 adults stand up and scream and hoot and holler for a man that concealed a pedophile, it sends a message to them that nobody cares, and that adults are not going to take pedophilia seriously. It tells them that there is no one to defend them. "
I agree 110%!!! The victims, especially the children who have been molested, are really the ones watching the actions of the members and leaders of BBC. For those who support SG actions, please ask yourself the question, "If my child, grandchild, niece, nephew, ect. were abused, would I continue to support SG??"I pray that God heals the children and they aren't discouraged by the standing ovations!!!
I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that it was NASS causing the mischief last night.
It's sad that all my posts were deleted from yesterday and yet the hurtful things said towards me still remain there. I don't understand why all my comments were deleted but the other mean stuff were kept...it doesn't make sense. Could anyone please explain this to me? I'm being sincere here.
I brought up some points of interest for everyone yesterday correcting some incorrect information posted by 'Member' and now because my posts were deleted, people will believe those lies. Why do the lies remain but the truth is deleted? I'm really curious here.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can help me out here.
ju,
Thank you. Apology accepted. The person responsible for all that did apologize (and I have no idea who it was).
NASS
Hello all!
I have been reading this blog for quite a while and almost always agree with 'the remnant'. I do not consider myself a "lurker". There are many reasons people would want to stay informed but not post and I think that term should be prayerfully reconsidered (if my negative association is indeed correct that is).
All this being said I have a few ideas I have come up with.
To those of the remnant considering leaving because of this debacle, please don't. Bellevue has a wonderful history. We are friends to the family and a family of friends. I can attest to this. As Christ's bride, there is no reason to make all those mindless lemmings happy and leave. If anyone should leave, it should not be the bride, but the culture crashing Warren-ites who seek to defile the bride. (or stay and repent while we wait on God to bring us His appointed man.
Secondly, forgiveness for Pastor Gaines and PW is only our business when it comes to non law-breaking sins, once someone breaks the law it is a matter fot the justice system to figure out. There is absolutely no reason SG should be allowed to stay. He has harbored a a man who preys on children. Our "forgiveness" as Christians is really only of concern to God. If we are to forgive them (give them a mulligan maybe) we should also start emptying death row because lots of them want to be forgiven due to religious conversion-where's their mulligan?
Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I will converse with anyone who desires it.
oh,by the way, is anyone else aware that the technology used to verify attendance is now being used to identify "dissenters" and that one was spotted Sunday morning taking pictures during the service of empty sections. Part of the goon squad was then dispatched to stop him and offered," I wish God would smite that website to Hell ". There are so many more of us than they have a clue. Do you think they're starting to get that?
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