From the FBC Jacksonville blog come these reviews of the book Spending God's Money - Extravagance and Misuse in the Name of Ministry by Mary Kinney Branson.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 565 of 565Lynn says, "Its not a seance....wearing a hood like that serves for street cred. Just look at a bunch of mainstream rap videos. You'll see a lot of that in those as well....when your not seeing half naked women gyrating and random acts of violence."
Reply: Hi Lynn...while I most certainly appreciate your response, I would invite you to go back and study church history and pay particular attention to the era defined as mysticism. You will see where all of this is coming from, even the rappers in today's trend. It is all marketing strategy and is evil...any way you want to look at it. The hoods, the candles, etc. goes back to the desert fathers. The monks of that period, etc. Also...go back to yesterday's post where I posted the link to the DVD, Catholicism, Past and Present.
Rod is right...it definitely has the seance feel to it. It is frightening and sick. Please be aware of this Lynn. It is people your age they try to pull into this stuff...
I so admire you for taking a stance for Truth.
NBBCOP,
Aha! But there is a "slight"
difference. Steve is usurping what is meant for God, and applying it to himself! God wants obedience. To disobey God, His Word, Thus says the LORD, is as witchcraft and idolity.
Saul disobeyed GOD, not man.
Is Steve is putting himself in the place of God and demaning obedience to him?
There is authority, and submission to that authority, but first of all it is NOT demanded, is it. the one who desires to be first puts himself last and the servant of all, don't they. The are above reproach are they not?
"If you don't like the music, get over it" is not what God meant, I don;'t think, when He says that we are ALL TO SUBMIT ONE TO ANOTHER.
Not, to go back into the OLD TESTAMENT AGAIN, and dig out a scripture out of context and use it for mind control, a battering ram and club to make people do your will is another story altogether.
I honestly don't know how that works, do you?
We are to obey, if it does not go against God's will. And steve is also commanded to be humble and to SUBMIT to other believers AND MOST IMPORTANTLY he should submit to God's Word. Yes, he should submit to The Word of God. That was Saul's problem. And, it was Saul that God spoke those words to, not Isreal, the people.
Ima,
you are right about the mysticism. I was referring to this one instance. But I do get what you are saying.
And I'm not a big rap guy in general anyways. I'd rather rock out to AC/DC than Tupac :p
But I can also tell when somethings a load of bull. And usually, I'll say as such.
BTW, I had the same experience this morning at a Car dealership that Mark Sharpe had. I went to a car dealership and had a salesman gather a sales manager and try to pressure me into buying a car. Kinda like how Gaines and Co. tried to intimidate MS.
Ima,
My apologies and post deleted.
ima,
you have mail. :)
You apologies are, of course, accepted OC. Please carry on...
Ima: We so appreciate all the wisdom and information you share with us. You are an important cog in the blog wheel!
Hi everyone! Just back from vacation....gotta hit the ground running!
I have a question. Churchmouse, lilly, and several others, have asked about getting together to worship. I am just curious.....why do you not want to explore that possibility?
Ima & OC,
My last post contained was an unfortunate and unintentional poor choice of words, so I have deleted it. I appreciate you both.
ima..
I was thoughtless, heartless. I publically repent and acknowlege that I behaved unChrist like. I sinned. Now I repent. Ive asked God's forgiveness and yours. I now have both. Thankyou. That means everything.
I have learned so much from you, please don't go away.
I humbly, very humbly, recieve your forgiveness. God bless you. Thankyou.
Repost: I have a question. Churchmouse, lilly, and several others, have asked about getting together to worship. I am just curious.....why do you not want to explore that possibility?
I mean, you have a great idea of how NOT to do things....wouldn't that be a good place to start?
Ima,
I'm catching up on today's posts and I'm very disturbed that you are leaving the blog.
Ima, I don't know you away from the blog, but I do believe that you are needed here -- perhaps far more than you know. You seem to have an insight into the very real truths behind so many of today's problems in the churches.
I pray that you will reconsider your decision and remain here as a good Berean. You are needed, IMHO.
Because He lives,
Mary
Rod,
Having shared my emotions and heart on this blog since the PW announcement,I understand your grief and passion tonight.
But usually you are not this upset. Was the worldly worship in your grandchidren's class a new lightbulb???
I support you and my heart is with you. I am just wondering.
PowerMommy and Rod: Is it a case of "don't mess with my children/grandchildren"?????
That tends to get our bear claws out!
ima,
A few of us moms, piggies and sheep (and maybe a buzzard) may have to make a road trip to Muscle shoals( Did I spell that right??) if you don't stay with us on our blog.......
I am going to wash OC's mouth out with soap!
Please reconsider!
Thank you, oc.
Ima, we have learned so much from you and appreciate you more than you'll ever know. It's been comforting to know that someone else has been where we are now. You have taught us to be on guard and to think, and I thank you for that! You've taught us so much about this pervasive movement that is taking over our churches, and we don't want you to go. We need your wisdom and insight. Please consider remaining with us and contributing as you've done for so long.
I promise if "oc" ever offends you again that I'll banish him to that "other blog"! That is, if we don't turn him over to that kid in Alabama who bagged Hogzilla.
We love you, "ima"! Please don't go!
Concerned SBCer,
you are in the mom category!....I want you to drive my car again! :)
PowerMommy: Sure! I'm always up for a Road Trip!
"Ima's" 7:51 p.m. post was removed at her request. Seems her little trashcan was M.I.A.
NBBCOF
All: There seems to be some doubt that I truly saw A CErtain person in Atlanta, at Six Flags, on Thursday. It's true! How weird is that?
The weather was so hot and humid and, alas and alack, there were no little umbrellas for our ICEE drinks.
Concernedsbcer:
I would love a road trip to Muscle Shoals to hear the Word. That was my home in the early 80's - 1505 Ford's Way - worked in the health department and covered 3 counties - including one day a week to Red Bay, Alabama. If you know where Red Bay is and have actually been there, then you know what back roads of Alabama really means. Anyway, what a great idea - that, and bowling.
Lily
concernedsbcer,
There seems to be some doubt that I truly saw A CErtain person in Atlanta
Yeah, yeah -- and I saw Elvis in the BBC parking lot! Not sure if he was there for a special performance of all2jesus' "Are You Preaching Tonight?" or if he is the one who has been stealing everyone's hubcaps ...
P.S. Word Verification is "sieekup" ... sounds like good advice (even if misspelled).
We love you, too, "oc"!
All,
I just saw a commerical on TV (channel 24) with Steve Gaines inviting everyone to visit BBC this Sunday ... I think I will pass ....
OK.....we are having a strange night.
Rod is gone,ima,and now oc......
Why, your post brought this tune to mind: Bye, Bye Miss American Pie. (Some of you may be way to young.)
Why, why, MissTrollican WHY,
Drove my . . .
One of you more talented will have to finish this one.
P.S. Word Verification: spuueyy
Definition: what one does to their screen at times.
Junk: Count me out......I'd prefer someone that I can trust.......
BLT: Sure I'll go on a road trip with you! But I've never been in Alabama much......
Loved your word verification....and definition! You go girl!
why,
God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life! I think.
What's that I hear?
A trollin' motor reving up...........
why said...
Junk: I am glad you are passing. WHY do ALL of you NOT move along and LEAVE Bellevue alone?? WHY? What is your motive?
To cause division, distrust, disunity, dissention, destruction, and to spread hate and lies, of course. Or maybe I'm getting myself confused with someone else...
Thank you NBBCOF,
OC…my post to you has been removed per your request.
It is my request that all forgive OC for his remarks to me tonight…I surely have. He emailed me twice asking for forgiveness. He has followed Christ’s commands in repentance/forgiveness. We should all learn a lesson from him in this through how he has humbled himself tonight before God. This is as it should be and a lesson has been allowed for us all to reap the benefits from. Let our lights so shine…
Above all, we must remember to show ourselves approved by God. There are those who are watching us who have not been saved. We have a marvelous opportunity to do the work of the Lord through this blog. Let us do that…
I pray that all will continue to educate themselves about the movements being brought into the churches today. We must stand for Jesus Christ at all costs. That is what this is all about…if we don’t know what to look for, we will miss it. We will fall for it.
If there are any who don’t know Jesus, my prayer is that you will humble yourself and see somebody who can help you in your quest to know Him. Soon.
Ima
I think it would be great if Why could state an original thought based on scripture in a mature way and we could discuss it. That would be so much more pleasing to our Heavenly Father than an accusitory rant.
Hmmm....Doesn't sound like WHY has been to Mr. Coombs office demanding that we have access to the financials....I'm SO disappointed.
What is in those books, WHY? And what part of this are YOU responsible for? What is it YOU do not want us to find out -or find proof of that we may already know.....
You showing up here asking us to leave reminds me of a burglar ranting because the door is locked....
Ima: What a blessing you are. Your words and your heart are both priceless. :)
Why... you can't think,
I have never been a pastor with a PHD that blew off the confession of a sexual deviant minister and then
LIED to the congregation by saying this was unchartered terriotory. That is FAKE and that is a LIE.
Your false teacher teacher was in the SBC in 2002 when they passed the sexual purity for ministers policy.
Since he uses elementary sermon outlines instead of preparing his sermons, SURELY he has caught Oprah a few times while not at the Country club.
In 2007,BESIDES the SCRIPTURE...duh....sexual abuse....NOT INCIDENT....is NOT uncharted territory.
If you want to continue this LIE and Fake act....that is your problem,buddy.
Why: Please READ (and study very carefully) 10:48 post.
Where is the troll police?
NASS please come to the rescue.
For the record, I have asked WHY some questions which he refuses to answer.
He refuses to tell us why he does NOT want the books opened.
And I beleive he has been banned under another name and comes here as someone else, which is deceptive. Were you not banned, WHY?
Slander.....how shall we address this accusation from someone who calls everything we say a lie when it's the truth? I don't think we dignify that with a response...
Go ahead and carry on with the all-caps temper tantrum.....
piglet,
Please don't feel compelled to ask it questions! It may come back and answer you.
Oh, wait. Never mind. I forgot it doesn't answer questions. It just hurls hate-filled handfuls of hubris, or as "mjm's" grandma would say, hockey. (Horse variety.)
Ignore it.
Yes, piglet. S/he/it was banned. S/he/it sinned by posting here and needs to repent!
BLT said...
Why, your post brought this tune to mind: Bye, Bye Miss American Pie. (Some of you may be way to young.)
A truly good parody of that song is The Saga Begins.
Nass: Going back to that......
Saying Sugar, or Hockey, or anything else is the same, IMHO... it's the tone used......
concernedsbcer,
Whatever. :-)
why,
As the venerated poet of the 1970s, Donny Osmond sang, "Go away, little girl ..."
Did anyone notice...
I think it was nathanb's post today or yesterday...
the mention of a second credit card.
Remember how the deacons were able to look thru the receipts of ONE credit card???
How deceitful can the leadership be???
And isn't it interesting that SG has a habit of using church money for personal use then when
CAUGHT,
he pays it back and all is better. All forgiven.
SG has set disfunction back 10 years.
There used to be classes at BBC that taught about people like him....
now the pastor teaches what lies and distortion are by EXAMPLE.
however...lest I sound something akin to "holier than thou"......words fly out that I don't mean either. As James says, we all struggle with the tongue.
:(
Romans 14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at naught thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Junk: Heeeeeyyyyy....I went to see him in concert......
BLT: Thanks! :)
So...does anybody know for sure just how much money is left in BBC's reserve funds? Anybody heard the figure of approximately $4.3M? Just curious...don't know for sure because it seems that the reserve funds used to be in the $23M to close to $30M...but would like to know. Hopefully, this is not the case....
cibt wrote:
"So...does anybody know for sure just how much money is left in BBC's reserve funds?"
I doubt it. That number seems to be a moving target. However, I think it's safe to say it's a sinking target right now.
concernedSBCer said...
Junk: Heeeeeyyyyy....I went to see him in concert......
Who? Weird Al? Or Don McLean? As far as I know those are the only singers I've referred to recently that I can imagine anyone going to see -- or at least that anyone would actually admit to!
Junk: Donny......white jumpsuit...purple scarf? Well, I was only about 11....we all make mistakes, you know.....
I think Why is one of the rude deacons I read an email from last night on saving bbc.com.
Man! if you want to read some HATE FILLED emails from Fake deacons...
that's the place!
New BBC Open Forum said...
However, I think it's safe to say it's a sinking target right now.
Good thing they didn't give that $3M donation to Mid-America Seminary, huh? It's almost as though folks knew that money might be needed ...
junk,
Uh, I think "concernedsbcer" meant Donny Osmond. I just can't believe she admitted it! Spuueyy!!!
Repost:
For the record, I have asked WHY some questions which he refuses to answer.
He refuses to tell us why he does NOT want the books opened.
And I beleive he has been banned under another name and comes here as someone else, which is deceptive. Were you not banned, WHY?
Slander.....how shall we address this accusation from someone who calls everything we say a lie when it's the truth? I don't think we dignify that with a response...
Go ahead and carry on with the all-caps temper tantrum.....
And another thing!
The law says we should be looking at those books! We have reason to believe there has been much wrongdoing and the books have been SHUT to us!
If you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing. Why the big cover-up and the added attempt to keep people "in the know" quiet?
Okay, okay...I admit it! I thought Donny Osmond was cute....when I was about 11! (I can be strong enough to admit the truth!!!) However, worse than that, in my opinion, is that I also saw KISS in concert when I was 14! YUK! What WAS I thinking?????
Concerned sbcer said
Junk: Donny......white jumpsuit...purple scarf? Well, I was only about 11....we all make mistakes, you know.....
Piglet says:
I was into David Cassidy, myself.
But Donny held up much better over the years....
junk99mail said...
why,
As the venerated poet of the 1970s, Donny Osmond sang, "Go away, little girl ..."
11:06 p.m.
junk99mail said...
concernedSBCer said...
Junk: Heeeeeyyyyy....I went to see him in concert......
Who? Weird Al? Or Don McLean? As far as I know those are the only singers I've referred to recently that I can imagine anyone going to see -- or at least that anyone would actually admit to!
11:13 PM, June 02, 2007
OKAY JUNK,
Keep up or go to bed. Love ya.
And thanks, Piglet, for getting everyone back onto the important issues at hand.
The books have been cooked....plenty of time.
And WHY did CF leave then come back?????
concernedSBCer said...
I also saw KISS in concert when I was 14!
As did I, when I was 19 or 20, over in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. I can still recall that familiar sweet and pungent smell wafting up to the cheap seats ... of course, I didn't inhale...
Piglet: You are right.....David Cassidy looks rough and Donny still looks good....uhhh....I mean....well. ....never mind.
;)
Ok....bet you can guess my age on this one... but don't please.
I saw Sonny and Cher in concert before they split.
Also ZZtop.
I wasn't 11.
Ok, WHY, so why not OPEN THE BOOKS?????
Did you hear me or do I need bigger letters?
PowerMommy: We love you!
Maybe you haven't had anything to do with the corruption, WHY,
but you don't speak against it and you deflect on us.....
SG and the current leadership are the wrong doers BUT we must call sin SIN.
Piglet: You need bigger letters...or maybe Why is just learning to read?
Let me try my post again too:
I think it would be great if Why could state an original thought based on scripture in a mature way and we could discuss it. That would be so much more pleasing to our Heavenly Father than an accusitory rant.
Concerned sbcer
I was going to marry David Cassidy until I was about 12 or 13 and found out he was a womanizing druggie.
Then I set my sights on Barry Gibb, who was married at the time, but I thought his wife might die in a tragic accident.
She didn't.
Anyway, my husband is glad those didn't work out. :)
Excuse me. Just detrolling. Carry on.
Piglet, I believe you were instructed by someone to repent!
Do piglets have fingers?
concernedsbcer,
You love me because I am so old????? :)
powergmommy wrote:
"concernedsbcer,
You love me because I am so old????? :)"
I'd guess it's probably because you're both so old!
Nehemiah 1:5-6
Confessing the sins . . .
The sin of silence when we should have spoken;
The sin of speaking when we should have kept quiet;
The sin of pursuing our own agenda instead of serving God and striving to do His will.
Good night all.
Lily
NBBCOF
It's tough for little piggies to post on the blog but the pencil in the teeth method gets easier over time. :0/
Nass: Hey! PowerMommy and I are both young enough to start up that trolling motor too!
Remember, we're on the same side!
:)
Typical NBBCOF blogger.
New BBC Open Forum said...
I'd guess it's probably because you're both so old!
Reeeeoooowww!
Be nice....
concernedsbcer wrote:
"Remember, we're on the same side!"
Yeah, the same side of the hill.
Nass: Okay, I'll give you that one.
:)
NBBCOF said
Yeah, the same side of the hill.
That would be really funny if I weren't over there , too. :(
New BBC Open Forum posted the picture of a Typical NBBCOF blogger.
You are being so baaaaaaad.
Sorry concernedsbcer,
I couldn't start anything right now.
8 hours doing yard work.
I won't be able to stand straight tomorrow.
Piglet said...
It's tough for little piggies to post on the blog but the pencil in the teeth method gets easier over time. :0/
At least you're not a piggie with a pencil in her nose!
Phew, I'm glad I didn't marry BG. He's just a fat old geezer now....
Not that I have anything against fat old geezers, mind you....
JUNK
That looks painful.
piglet wrote:
"Not that I have anything against fat old geezers, mind you...."
Ummm... never mind. Mr. Piglet's not fat.
why I am a Bully.....is picking on piglet.
And why says the same thing over and over....hate filled accusations..never facts ,never responding to questions asked.
Why can only read the SG script .
I just found a picture of piglet !
This is my post to WHY:
Hmmm....Doesn't sound like WHY has been to Mr. Coombs office demanding that we have access to the financials....I'm SO disappointed.
What is in those books, WHY? And what part of this are YOU responsible for? What is it YOU do not want us to find out -or find proof of that we may already know.....
You showing up here asking us to leave reminds me of a burglar ranting because the door is locked....
***********************************
These are questions. Sorry, won't ask forgiveness for asking questions.
You can answer these questions and put any suppositions to rest. Why not open the books?
I base my suspicions on your repeated appearances here over many months, your seeming lack of concern for the membership, and your unconditional defense of the cover-up and wrongdoing that has taken place.
You seem too desperate for all this to go away.
Fact is, it should never go away until all is revealed and the consequences are paid.
JUNK
Excuse ME, Junk, but that pig is naked!! I never photograph without my little pink suit - and I am not near that...mmmm....plump.
Junk!
ROTFL!!!
not at you ,skinny piggie!!!
NBBCOF
I had a great comment for that but I just can't do it.....
Now, behave yourself! Like me.
If we're so full of hate, why is WHY the only sour puss here tonight?
Loosen up WHY. It'll help your blood pressure.
Piglet said...
Excuse ME, Junk, but that pig is naked!! I never photograph without my little pink suit - and I am not near hat...mmmm....plump.
Is this closer?
Questions, WHY? Answer them.
Unless slander, lies, and sin IS your answer.
Were you never banned under another name?
Why not open the books?
Why,
I hear Donny Osmond singing to you again ...
Sorry Why,
I emote,I talk alot,I cry ...
but I don't lie....those would be fighting words to my children....
bet you can't prove a lie from me....
Bet I CAN prove a lie from SG or DC....
are you one of the rude deacons that emailed PG????
JUNK
Did you find that under "anorexic pig"? LOL
Enough naked pig pictures. We have our dignity, you know.
piglet says.
If we're so full of hate, why is WHY the only sour puss here tonight?
Loosen up WHY. It'll help your blood pressure.
oc says.
I'll do it. I am pretty much a sour puss myself tonight, due to no one but myself. I'll deal with Why. My blood pressure is sky high anyway. Let the good times roll.
nighty all my blog friends...
sweet dreams...well...
maybe not the kind of dreams...well,you know what I mean....
Ummm, piglet? Mr. Deacon said, "I responded to you and set your LIES straight and fraud that runs this blog deleted it."
Mr. Deacon! That wasn't nice! It's also a hate-filled rumor. (He probably meant "broad.")
Piglet, repent! (Maybe if you will he'll go away.)
Ok, piglet, we knew this was you all along...
(offline now)
gnight powermom
Steady, oc, steady.
Why,
Leave everyone else alone. Deal with me. I'm in the mood for it.
Past my bedtime, too.
Cover for me, OC. Somebody may want to slander me while I'm gone...or maybe they will change their mind and ANSWER a question or two.
Sleep tight blog pals.
why,
You are sooooooooooooooooo boring.
so if you are not one of the rude deacons....you are a rude and boring troll.
You say nothing....That is my opinion and my freedom as an American.
Did you mean to say that the BBC leadership is a fake and a fraud and is being used by the devil in many ways?
Going to brush teeth....
Why said,
Reply: What I said was not a rumor at all, it is a fact. You and this blog are a fake and a fraud and are being used by the devil in many ways.
oc says:
Man, I'm getting sick of hearing that 'used by the devil' thing. Think about, Why knee. The devil hammers and hinders those who do the Lord's work. Guess he has no business with you.
Think about that.
oc.
WHY
May you hear "Why not open the books?" over and over in your sleep (including bank statements, I might add).
Now here's a big smooch good night on your fuzzy little angry head.
(audible smooch noise)
He's all yours, OC, I promise.
Piglet says:
He's all yours, OC, I promise.
oc says:
Thankyou my porky friend. You would do that for me? Thanks. I'll do a good job. :)
piglet wrote:
"Now here's a big smooch good night on your fuzzy little angry head."
(audible smooch noise)
Did you have to leave us with that mental image, especially this close to bedtime? Eeeewww! That's exhibiting true grace, piglet, true grace indeed!
For some reason though I keep thinking about Dr. Bill Loney and his unfortunate follicular problem. {{shudder}}
ok. Since 'Why' is taking a time out to lick his wounds, I will use this time to let everyone in the world know that I am still in repentance because of what I have done to a wonderful Christian person tonight. I acted like the world, with no compassion or understanding. Jesus is not happy with me tonight. And neither are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't blame them at all. I am not liking me very well right now either.
But I rejoice in this. The precious lady that I offended has forgiven me. The Lord has too. And I hope and pray that my brothers and sisters will do the same. I love them, and they probably have forgiven me before I even asked, because we're famlily and they love me too. Where else other than the Kingdom of Christ can you find love like this?
Look world, this is real love. You thought you knew what it was. You were always wrong. Real love is not what you can offer, or what anyone can offer you. It is all about how you respond to sacrifice, the One who offers His life for you.
Imaresistor.
I am so sorry. I have been a disgrace to many today. Thankyou for your grace, and your sweet forgiveness.
in great humility towards you,
oc.
It is sad that some of the choir members at BBC on World Missions day during the evening service were dressed as if they were going to a summer party after church. It is sad that a 15 year old girl is taken out of the Worship Center and cussed out by security. It is sad that we have not been told the whole truth about Ryan Wingo and his direct purpose for being here in Memphis. It is sad that SG knew about the abuse situation which involved a minister on staff for 6 months and did nothing until he felt that the truth would come out from another source. It is sad that numbers are not accurately being presented. It is sad that many are saying we should be open to a so called anything goes new generation philosophy at church. It is sad to see funds misused at BBC. It is sad to see families divided over BBC. We never would have thought that lies would ever be spoken from behind the pulpit at BBC.
inmemphis: And what is also so sad is that there are people who don't see it. I had someone tell me just last week that God was "cleaning house." I commented back something to the effect that I didn't think that was necessarily the whole truth.
Is that scriptural? I keep trying to understand "cleaning house" from a Biblical point of view. Any ideas?
concernedsbcer wrote:
"I keep trying to understand 'cleaning house' from a Biblical point of view. Any ideas?"
Maybe these? At least it's a start.
Matthew 21:12-13
Mark 11:15-17
Never Met A Stranger,
If your still lurking on the blog, please e-mail me. My e-mail address is available on my profile. :)
Nass: But in those verses, Jesus was clearing the bad at....the people that were there to cheat the people. In this case, the ones who seek to deceive are staying....so the house is being "cleaned" of those mature Christians who seek Truth?
sorry: clearing the bad OUT
Sorry, I read your statement the wrong way. You meant "cleaning house" of the discerning people. Can't find anything about plucking up, destroying, planting, etc., not in that context.
This was from my SS lesson today:
He, that being often reproved hardenth his neck, shall be suddenly destroyed, and that without remedy.
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
Proverbs 29: 1, 2
Hey kiddies, what’s with the “so old” business from last night? Donny Osmond and David Cassidy??? Gimme a break…
I was doing homework and listening to the radio when the first Elvis record was ever played anywhere in the world. The song was “That’s All Right, Mama,” the station was Memphis’ own WHBQ, the deejay was Dewey Phillips, and his program was called “Red, Hot and Blue.” I’ve been in love with that good looking boy ever since, but that’s way too much info. Anywho, Elvis has left the building and so has any concern I have about age – it’s only a number. :)
Hope everyone enjoys the many blessings of the Lord today. Family is coming over and we’re spending the afternoon in the pool and by the grill. :)
Junk said
Ok, piglet, we knew this was you all along...
(offline now)
12:14 AM, June 03, 2007
Piglet says:
Finally the right picture! :0)
OC said
And I hope and pray that my brothers and sisters will do the same. I love them, and they probably have forgiven me before I even asked, because we're famlily and they love me too. Where else other than the Kingdom of Christ can you find love like this?
Piglet says:
Thanks, OC, for being an example to us all. I've certainly forgiven you as Ima has had the grace to do.
Looks as though there is a re-incarnation(s) of some of the illustrious detractors of the past on the blog. Seeing that the Bible is quite clear that "the heart is deceitful above all else and desperately wicked..who can know it?, Mr. "why", you would do well to take note that you cannot discern your own motives, whether they are of the flesh or of God, much less anyone else's.
WHY said: “Bellevue has a bad reputation in town for ARROGANCE etc, That is a fact and documented wirth studies.”
REPLY:
Please produce one actual study, just one, by name, date, and the authority under which it was conducted.
As for proper dress – would you interview for a job while wearing shorts and sandals? If not, then why would you go to worship in the house of the Lord dressed that way? If you would, then you must enjoy working in the paper-hat-required industry, because your chances of being hired for a corporate position are slim and none.
How you dress is a direct reflection of the respect you have for the event you will be attending, and it is a direct reflection of the kind of respect you have for yourself.
Now, I’m off.
What a beautiful day! The music was glorious, the message prepared our hearts to receive the Lord's supper, friendly faces everywhere, laughter, worship, and praise! It was wonderful to be in God's house today!
Time for a nap.
Ooops -- one more thing...
OC, I forgive you. We all slip up from time to time 'cause we're all nothing more than sinners saved by grace.
God bless you, friend.
Mary
Mary,
What a great job of explaining attire. I've always been of the opinion we should wear our BEST. If your best is a white t-shirt and jeans, wash them, iron them, and go worship. But if you wear better clothes out on Friday night than you do to worship God on Sunday, there's a problem. IMHO
Why: You have posted just enough truth mixed in with your rant that does show you have been deceived or are very immature, one or the other.
I already addressed attire (no pun intended) in a previous post.
BBC has always done a fairly good job of reaching out. Impact ministries, for example, has for many years worked tirelessly in underpreviledged areas. That did not begin with SG.
With regard to the misuse of funds, that has been documented over and over. And I agree with Piglet: you go in and ask for a copy of the financials to prove your point. I believe you will be sorely disappointed.
concernedSBCer said...
I've always been of the opinion we should wear our BEST.
I solved this problem by getting rid of everything but my blue jeans and t-shirts ... so now I get to go to church comfortable and it is the best I've got.
I have a rule of thumb for how I dress for church.
If I can't wear it to work, then I have no business wearing it to church.
And Mary,I have personally seen instances up at Bellevue where if your not in the in crowd, no one wants to have anything to do with you. And thats my personal experience BTW.
WHY,
I am of the opinion that in the
"studies" that documented that BBC was arrogant, IF such a document exists, they were surely talking and YOU and YOURS...
Your posts on here are NOTHING but arrogant, and full of FLESH...
Please,save yourself more embarassment and just go away and do whatever it is that arrogant people do...look at yourself in the mirror, or whatever, just go away.
sickofthelies said...
WHY,
...
just go away.
...little girl ...
(Donny is back!)
WHY,
Or perhaps sitting around with pursed lips and folded hands would be a calming activity for you.
SOTL,
Like this?
Rod Almondmartanti said on the previous thread...
"When I questioned them about it at home, they told me the singing went on for 45 min. Upon further questioning, they told me that (WITH GOD'S MONEY) they have a FOG MACHINE AND A LIGHT SHOW DURING THE MUSIC! A fog machine and light show! What is this a bar and dance hall atmosphere! Incredable!"
Lynn's Response:
Rod, Have you been to the Career area of Bellevue lately? When I'm in that area I'm not sure if I'm at church or Starbucks! And if I'm not mistaken, the fog machines and stuff has also been used for I2 in the past as well (They didn't use it this past go around, but who knows about next time).
Good Afternoon fellow discerners in the faith,
We didn’t get out this morning…. For those who know who ‘we’ are…. No major problems or set backs…. Just, let’s be encouraged in the Lord here at home today.
Dr. Rogers one hour at 11 AM and then my friend Dr. J. Vernon McGee from noon till 12:45 PM… My, my, my I had to get out the “steak” knives. Thank you Jesus for feeding us.
Now on with some nonsense…. Just ‘cause.
New BBC Open Forum said...
For some reason though I keep thinking about Dr. Bill Loney and his unfortunate follicular problem. {{shudder}}
12:54 AM, June 03, 2007
NASS,
Has it ever occurred to you that Dr. Loney preens? {{shudder}} or is there another who co-preens with him? {{double}} {{shudder}}?
No, padroc. That never occurred to me! But thanks to you I'll be spending the rest of the day trying to block that image from my mind.
No self-respecting lady likes canned meat by-products.....
Just sayin'
Speaking of pigs...
Something to think about when you're looking at your breakfast plate of sausage &/or ham &/or
bacon and eggs:
The pig was committed.
The chicken was involved.
A BBC parable?
Clothes should not determine who is accepted.
But someone who assulted a man outside a restaurant is accepted. In leadership.
A pedophile is accepted, with no conditions, putting others at risk.
A trespassor is accepted as a leader.
A liar is in control of a church.
Jesus forgives, but there are still consequences for sin. Either now or later.
Dress in church:
The moment you enter the doors of any chuch you are in God's house and should afford Him the respect of being at your best in both demeanor and dress. As someone else so aptly stated; if your best is blue jeans and a white tee shirt then wear them clean and pressed. If your best is a mink coat; wear it with the humility that you know that He has made your earthly prosperity possible.
As to the dress of the choir or orchestra: a number of years ago when I was in the orchestra some of the young people whined because they were made to wear robes at the evening service after several years of not being required to do so. I loudly commented that if some people would not show up looking like street urchins we wouldn't have to wear the robes. Of course you could still see their feet. I looked over at the drummer once at a Passion Play performance and he was barefoot.
(fortunately corrected by the conductor before showtime). On another occasion when I was performing in the MPP I could see down in the orchestra pit at a dress rehearsal and one of the flute player's long skirt slit came up just below her panty line. Eventually because the leadership would not ask anyone to conform to some level of modesty, the orchestra women were required to buy a special outfit to wear at formal performances. Ask the members that couldn't afford to buy the outfits how they felt. Fortunately other, more affluent (and might I say GENEROUS) orhchesta and choir members helped them with the cost. All this so that those "rugged individualists" could "do their own thing". The robes promote uniformity to avoid shows of pride in dress (or in the case of some, lack of dress). Now if we could just shave everyone's head all would be perfect (just kidding!!!).
I don't think it is being arrogant to ask that people assemble in a church in a decent manner for a church service. There are countless other events at BBC where dressing down a bit is ok.
Rant concluded...
Why: Don't worry about me: I will bow before my Savior in shame and repentence but that is one thing I will not have to answer for.
My clock shows 7:08PM. Therefore if Why and his are so deeply involved at BBC he should be in the service right now. Either he's not there or has access to a BBC computer. The latter is abuse of the church's resources if he is a paid employee or a breach of IT security if he is not. If he is at work somewhere else, the same applies. Also quoting the full lyrics to a song (unless it's your own? or permission is granted by the author) is an illegal act according to current U.S. Copyright law. It is theft.
Hello, pot; kettle calling.
Mary said
How you dress is a direct reflection of the respect you have for the event you will be attending, and it is a direct reflection of the kind of respect you have for yourself.
gmommy's response
I didn't hear Elvis sing his first time on the radio
but in elementary and Jr High,( HS is a blurr)
I watched all his movies on TV and danced to all his songs (behind my do not dance parents back).
SO in the day of Elvis and before the "grunge" and rap non singers
WE HAD STANDARDS!!!
I grew up in a poor family BUT even the poor and uneducated(for the most part)
understood respect and standards of properness.
The bar was high and you HAD to work hard, have manners, and be neat and clean if you wanted to work at ANY job around people.
I just got home from working so I didn't read why's comments but there is a big difference in arrogance and dignity.
There have been and will always be the clicks and the in people. Some people will always dress better because they can.
Many people don't have a budget for frills. I sure don't.
WHY is bringing up such SHALLOW stuff because that is how Gaines has slanted it. He is not a man of dignity. He is not cut from the same cloth as the AR's and Billy Graham.
BBC is being dummied down to the culture's standards because of who is in the pulpit.
WHAT IS GOING TO BE sad...is when WE have all been replaced by the culturally exceptable dummied down group.
OK....did I miss WHY saying something about the songs we were singing last night?????
PowerMommy: I can't remember if he discussed the songs but he was posting some of his usual rants.
How was RO? :)
Didn't make it anywhere. I worked over 8 hours outside (about 10 bags of dirt with a wheel barrow that doesn't roll...I drag it!) and could barely move.
I moved slow (listened on the internet)until I had to go work. BLT said it would be a short service.
Folks,
I would like to add the following comment to the "dress" topic.
It just thrills my soul when I see an over the road trucker or someone who apparently has just come from work enter our building "as he/she is" to join with others in reverence to and praise of our Lord Jesus.
When appropriate this is the person I desire to reassure that they are indeed welcome without judgment or reservation.
Yet I stand squarely against sloppiness in dress when that dress unmistakenly displays disrespect /rebellion.
May you be blessed!
My friend went to Faith.
She said the pastor's sermon seemed to be geared towards the BBC refugees.
Lots of emphasis on the responsibilities and accountability of the pastor.
refreshing.
If you are looking for a Church where the Word is preached in a way that glorifies God come and visit Collierville First Baptist Church.
We had a great day of preaching and communion!
THERE'S A NEW THREAD. PLEASE MOVE UP!
Thank you,
NBBCOF
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