For some inexplicable reason the much-hyped changes at BBC made the front page of the Commercial Appeal this morning (above the fold, no less). As someone said in the online comments section, "Front page news? Really? Memphis is indeed a backward little place, isn't it?"
A few select comments:
Hey Bellevue,
1997 called. It wants its contemporary service back. The Bellevue guy in the article says you are not embracing a fad. I would disgree, you have managed to adopt a fad from 15 years ago.
Come on guys, good preaching, discipleship, and targeted prolonged outreach go a long way towards the health of a church. And there is no doubt there are a lot good people and a lot of good things going on at Bellevue. So I suggest you just use those assets better to reach folks.
This whole 11:11 business seems a bit cheezy to me. If, as it appears to be the case, Steve Gaines is going to be around for a while, I recommend the follwing two changes instead.
1) Dr. Gaines, please stop referring to people of Far Eastern descent as "Orientals." I know you mean no harm but the proper term is Asian. Oriental=rug, Asian=People. Bless you, sir, but I've heard this several times from the pulpit. It just doesn't help your credibility to use outdated terms.
2) Let's get rid of all billboard ads, or if you don't want to do that, at least quit putting huge pictures of your pastor's head with Bible verses below it but no scripture reference, just the pastor's name. (I've seen this, I-55 S, just south of Riverside drive.) I know you don't mean to do it, but it looks like you are attributing scripture to your pastor rather than to the Bible.
Just an outsider trying to give the outside perspective.
This is food for thought:
I am all for branching out... if that is what a church wants to do. But didn't Comm. Brooks try to hold a Kwanzaa event in a county-owned facility and there was an issue about that due to it being a religious program? I thought the county said no religious events in any county-owned property (or something like that). If you pay... you can play?!? Comm. Brooks should offer to rent a county-run school for her upcoming event.
Are you listening, President Obama?
Churches should be taxed and exposed for what they are...businesses.
Ouch.
So Fort God loosens its dress code so it can rake in more donations... er... I mean souls.
Yep...
If you want to know what it's all about, just follow the money!
Er... see above.
Wingo is Gaines' son-in-law. Nothing like nepotism to keep food on the table.
Certainly the prednisone is a contributing factor, but don't brag about always ordering the "dessert sampler plate" and obsess over food in nearly every sermon.
Gaines harboring of a pedophile is but one shameful thing he's done. For instance, he had the locks changed on the office to prevent Adrian Rogers (who was rapidly dying of cancer) from entering. He was offered the same amount of money Adrian Rogers made, but Gaines told them he couldn't live on it. Yes, he had the unmitigated gall to expect more money than a man who had been the faithful pastor for 30+ years (and Adrian Rogers used to refuse pay raises). Gaines is a narcissist par excellence. He is as the scribes and Pharisees described by our Lord in Matthew 23. He ties up heavy burdens for the people. He demands honor, and the uppermost seats. He does his deeds to be seen by others. He makes his phylacteries broad and his fringes long. And his rich enablers at Bellevue can't see it. I don't know how anyone who knows anything about him can sit under his preaching.
All that said, Gaines has a serious disease called myasthenia gravis which requires a heavy daily dose of prednisone, a steroid. He has now been on it for years and it has impacted his appearance. Criticize him for his actions, but leave his appearance alone, particularly when you don't know the facts.
The impression...
JMO but when individual congregations get too big like BBC, the congregation itself becomes the focus of the church and not its religious message.
If I wanted to join an exclusive country club I would.
I've wondered if this wasn't part of the reason behind "Bellevue Lo♥es Memphis" crews sprucing up county schools, (isn't that what we pay taxes for?), last year's taped message during a morning worship service from county mayor, A.C. Wharton, and appearances by various city and county politicians at church services. A little quid pro quo goin' on here?
For those that are concerned about Bellevue using a county school, it should be pointed out the the county schools have been using Bellevue free of charge for many years. Several schools hold their graduation services at Bellevue and some schools hold football camps at Bellevue as well. I also believed that city and county wide teachers meetings have been held at Bellevue at the beginning of school years in the past.
Also, Bellevue sends out volunteers to clean, repair and spruce up county and city schools once a quarter as part of their Bellevue Loves Memphis program.
From the article:
"I was in the staff meeting when Adrian Rogers announced he was retiring (after 32 years in the pulpit)," said Jim Barnwell, director of communications. "He said it was time for a younger man to lead Bellevue Church, and I think music is one of the things implied in that."
Really, Jim? You think these extremes in "music" were what Dr. Rogers was "implying"? Personally, I think that whirring sound we've heard the past few years is coming from Memory Hill Gardens in Bartlett, but maybe I'm imagining things. I saw a clip from yesterday's "11:11" service, and all I could think was I'm glad Dr. Rogers isn't here to see this. Of course, if he were still here, we wouldn't be seeing this.
For all the hype leading up to this, from the clip I saw, it was all rather anti-climactic. Maybe they need to drag out the fog machines and funky lights from i2Memphis. Seeing Ryan Wingo dressed in a sloppy shirt and wrinkled khakis making goofy faces, strumming a guitar, and chewing on the mic is getting rather old.
Does anyone recognize the setting for this? Is it a rock concert at FedEx Forum? A Saturday night fun fest at Autozone Park? No? Watch the whole video for the answer. You know, there is a good reason it's called "the sanctuary"!
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Would you mind e-mailing me? Anonymously is fine. I just need to ask you something.
Exactly! Tell the truth but leave a detail out here do not explain there. I am just providing the "facts" after all. You are the one who draws the wrong conclusion. Don't blame me because I am all about the truth.
AATT wants to "... be "comparing" Jamie and Mark if anyone" (check this foreshadowing video of Jamie and Ryan made over 2 1/2 years ago)
About a year before Jamie was ousted, we went to an event at Bellevue on Wednesday night. Jamie and Ryan were both on the platform with the band but it was all Ryan. Jamie was singing back-up and was very much in the background - never said anything between songs. When we left the church someone I was with said,
"Jamie is definitely on the way out." Time proved them to be correct.
Dr. Gaines car is equal to Dr. Rogers or less. The fact is Dr. Rogers house was very nice and he made a ton of money, but I see nothing wrong with what he made. I do know where he lived for years and it was very modest.
Adrian Rogers used to live behind Christ United Methodist Church on Poplar. At some point in time the Methodist church needed to expand and so AR sold his house to them and moved to Lakeland.
It was not his intention to move as he was happy and content where he was, but he was not willing to stand in the way of a church expansion program.
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You are correct gopher.
32yrs,
I don't know if what I saw on video was the same Wed. night you are referring too but in the video of a service...everything was SG and RW with JP in the background. I said the same thing to myself after seeing that.
I really do think JP trusted SG b/c he made such a big deal of their covenant relationship. After that was made so public it would have been wise (IMO) for SG to have explained to the congregation why he was going against that covenant.
On another subject...why is there still discussion about where Bro R lived??I think it's so petty and stupid to discuss where he lived before he retired.OR to compare where he lived to where SG lives.It's a silly way to deflect from SG's behavior...and how his actions have hurt many people very recently.
I could care less where either lived or lives personally but in the past the differences in the wisdom of their investments have been pointed out.calitizz
Gmommy: I agree
Actually I somehow started the discussion. My post was not about where anybody lived; it was about how certain people misuse or mislead using the "truth."
And that's the truth.
Wish: I agree and that has been my complaint about this blog from day one. Glad you pointed it out.
I used to be one of those proponents that believed churches had to become more entertainment oriented in order to reach people. The reasoning is that people are saturated by entertainment, that they would be numb to a traditional style of worship, or if churches did productions, they would have to be big in order to compete with comapnies like Disney for people's attention. You had to make the Gospel look cool if people are going to listen to it.
Now, Bellevue has shifted in that direction, and many other churches around the world as well. As I begin to see it first-hand, I'm no longer a proponent of an entertainment oriented church. It's funny, because everything I'd wanted Bellevue to become over the years is now taking place, and I don't want it anymore.
It's one thing if an unattached Christian group wanted to use entertainment to reach people. They exist - creative arts groups, comedians, bands, etc. that aren't associated with a church and are able to reach people in fun, unique ways - out there in the real world where people are. I'm all for such groups, and I think that so-called "Christian entertainment" should not be associated with churches. Churches don't exist for that reason, and they were never meant to, if you want to go back to the founding of the New Testament church.
There are several reasons for this, the first of which is one that was completely unexpected for me. It just feels weird and awkward for a church to try and entertain people. Bellevue's 11:11 service seems to be nothing more than a superficial vanity. It's overtly trying to be "cool" and draw people in, and it just rubs me the wrong way. People aren't stupid - they can see through such things, and it's not just Bellevue, it's any church that employs similar psychological devices.
Did it ever occur to churches that people might want a refuge from the entertainment saturated world and find a spiritual escape from it all? Why do you have to make a worship service compete with Disney or a rock concert? Why do you have to add a stage extension and put up rather pathetic looking decorations in an attempt to create a clearly orchestrated effort to dangle a big, fat worm in front of people's faces so that they'll bite.
I don't think any of it is done for money. Bellvue's not about money, even though it may appear otherwise. I just think they don't "get it." And yes, the contemporary service is WAY behind the times if that's what they're aiming for. I'm sorry, but you don't have someone like Steve Gaines preach at a contemporary service. He's about as anti-contemporary as you can get, even without the tie. Bellevue, if you want to update your service, lose the hokey 11:11 title, lose the preacher, lose the ridiculous sails in the background that try to hide the choir loft, forget the unecessary stage extension that attempts to bring the pastor closer to the people, and just stop trying so hard.
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