tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post5181436694870677148..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Serving the Body or Serving Steve Gaines?New BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger540125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-35423358901043524902007-07-22T22:37:00.000-05:002007-07-22T22:37:00.000-05:00Willow Creek conference 2007 features virulent bla...Willow Creek conference 2007 features virulent blasphemy and open espousal of so-called homosexual " christians ".<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://youtube.com/watch?v=vquwIObeOaA" REL="nofollow">willow conferennce 2007 blasphemy low-lights</A>watchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02529917317694584640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-20290441712766117182007-07-17T13:16:00.000-05:002007-07-17T13:16:00.000-05:00From my 11:33 post:"That is the problem that I hav...From my 11:33 post:<BR/><I>"That is the problem that I have with all these folks that tell me that they can just believe and salvation is assured. They claim salvation through faith...belief like Abraham did in Gen 15. (by the way, when one thinks of faith and belief, it may help to put it into the context of Abraham and Isaac) is your belief strong enough to obey Him like Abraham did?<BR/><BR/>AND,<BR/><BR/>"Otherwise you look more like a spiritual abortion than a living branch bearing fruit. Examine your fruit...is it "works" and all touchy feely emotion? Or is it faith in the Rock and obedience to the WORD....the one you claim we have no need of knowing..... "</I><BR/><BR/>You can find more support for my stance against "easy believism" in Heb 3,4,5.<BR/><BR/>Heb 3: 16For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 17And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were <B>disobedient</B>? 19So we see that they were unable to enter because of <B>unbelief</B>. <BR/><BR/>Think about it. Here the WORD tells us that the hebrews that He delivered out of Egypt with many "signs and wonders", people that actually walkeD across the bottom of the Red Sea, People that were led by a cloud and a pillar of fire and people that were fed by manna from heaven....<BR/>DID NOT BELIEVE....<BR/><BR/><BR/>Heb 4: 1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.[a] 3For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,<BR/><BR/> "As I swore in my wrath,<BR/>'They shall not enter my rest,'"<BR/><BR/><BR/> although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." 5And again in this passage he said,<BR/><BR/> "They shall not enter my rest." <BR/><BR/> 6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of <B>disobedience</B>, 7again he appoints a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,<BR/><BR/> "Today, if you hear his voice,<BR/>do not harden your hearts." <BR/><BR/>8For if Joshua had given them rest, God[b] would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. <BR/><BR/> 11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of <B>disobedience</B>. 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account. <BR/><BR/>So when you say you believe the Gospel, that you believe in Christ yet fail to obey the Gospel, fail to obey Christ then you are in extreme danger of "believing" as the Hebrews did that wandered and died in the wildernes, never entering into His Rest......ezekielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11991868400830971195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-43934336270860865222007-07-13T00:39:00.000-05:002007-07-13T00:39:00.000-05:0041"And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are ...41"And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." <BR/><BR/><BR/>42And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" <BR/><BR/>43And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."<BR/><BR/><BR/>delieverd, thanks for pointing out that there was confession and repentence. <BR/><BR/>I am still not clear on your first comment on this thread and the point of it.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-88112455025432931752007-07-12T23:36:00.000-05:002007-07-12T23:36:00.000-05:00Lest there be any misunderstanding, these are the ...Lest there be any misunderstanding, these are the basic tenets of my beliefs.<BR/><BR/>Ephesians 2:8<BR/>For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God<BR/>-Paul<BR/><BR/>I think my previous statements have supported this passage. It is my cornerstone belief of God's grace. Man's sins have alienated us from God. God provided a plan for repatriation with man. That plan was to provide His Son as a sacrifical lamb to pay for the sins that man has committed or will commit. This requires for the sacrificial lamb to be completely sinless. Jesus is this sacrificial lamb. God provides this path to Him freely, at no cost to man. I would term that as grace. This grace has no qualifications or prerequisites such as the grantee of the grace agreeing to suffer afflictions from God. If grace had conditions, it would no longer be grace. I would conclude then that grace is biblical. For anyone to come to any other conclusion from my statements is completely asinine and a total misrepresentation of my convictions.<BR/><BR/>I believe that the only action necessary for man to be reunited with God is to accept God's gift of grace by accepting that Jesus is without sin and is capable and willing to pay the price of our sins. By believing in Jesus' qualifications to die for our sins and accepting the fact that Jesus died for our own personal sins, one becomes becomes redeemed of their sins. That is the bottom line; believe that Jesus is sinless but yet willing to die for your sins and accept His grace. From that point on throughout eternity, you are now one of His children. It is permanent and requires no other action on the believer's part. <BR/><BR/>Matthew 10:32<BR/>"Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. -Jesus Christ<BR/><BR/>I also believe that this gift of salvation is so simple a child can understand an accept it, while learned scholars can fail to grasp the grace of God.<BR/><BR/>Matthew 11:25<BR/> At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. -Jesus Christ<BR/><BR/>Faith in Jesus is childlike.<BR/><BR/>You state I fail to see the importance of Bible study. I do not fail to see it. But I also know that continued Bible study is not a prerequisite to salvation.<BR/><BR/> 39One of the criminals who were hanged there (at the side of Christ) was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" <BR/><BR/> 40But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? <BR/><BR/> 41"And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." <BR/><BR/><BR/> 42And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" <BR/><BR/> 43And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."<BR/><BR/><BR/>This man was a thief, a sinner. In verse 41 he confessed his sins. In verse 42 the sinner trusted in Christ to deliver him from his sins. In verse 43 Jesus promised the sinner that he would be with Him. This man did not have time to devote a lot of time to Bible study. He was dying as he spoke. Jesus saved him from his sins. I have no question that the thief on the cross beside Jesus resides with Jesus today. As a matter of fact I KNOW that thief is with Jesus, because Jesus said so.<BR/><BR/>You say that I have set traps for you to fall in; that I do not believe that grace is biblical. The traps are there, but they were not set by me. The traps were set by Satan. Satan knows the scriptures better than any man. The traps are that you must strive for a closer walk with God BEFORE God will save you. He tells you that you can make yourself worthy of God by continually cleansing and prayer. He tells you that your charity and piousness prepares you for a close walk with God. He decieves you into working your way into fellowship with God. He convinces you that accepting God's gift of grace is not good enough for you to reach God. Many of Satan's own are pious Bible scholars that can quote scripture chapter and verse from memory, yet they have been blinded from the acceptance of the grace of God and salvation through Jesus Christ that even a child can see.<BR/><BR/>I study the Bible every day. I have a hunger to learn more about God. We all want to know all we can about the ones we love. A love affair with Jesus is no different. If you show me someone who professes his love for Jesus yet has no desire to know Him better then I would question his love in the first place. But there are those that do not have the faculties to read and understand the beauty and wonders of the Bible. They may lack the intelligence to read and comprehend the Bible. But, as that thief, if they realize thet the only way they can reach God is to confess their sins and accept that Jesus paid the price for ther sins, and they trust Jesus to deliver them from their sins, then they to will join Jesus in Paradise.<BR/><BR/>Revelation 3:20<BR/>'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. -Jesus Christ<BR/><BR/>Belief is easy. Salvation is simple. How do I know? Jesus told me so.Delivered By Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04266272260787374605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-51336270508666301812007-07-12T22:00:00.000-05:002007-07-12T22:00:00.000-05:00ATTENTION! THERE'S A NEW THREAD (ACTUALLY A CONTIN...ATTENTION! THERE'S A NEW THREAD (ACTUALLY A CONTINUATION OF THIS ONE) IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE UP.<BR/><BR/>Lin's left some pithy comments for Jon.<BR/><BR/>Thank you,<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-56632578817251550402007-07-12T20:32:00.000-05:002007-07-12T20:32:00.000-05:00Jon,Let me sum up your opinion of us.You think we'...Jon,<BR/><BR/>Let me sum up your opinion of us.<BR/><BR/>You think we're just a bunch of kooks who don't have a brain.<BR/><BR/>Why not you help stop global warming and be quiet. Because what your saying ain't hitting on nothing on Lynn. What your saying is just DUMMMMMB. You do not understand one iota what these people have gone through. And sadly, you probably never will.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>And now folks, ya'll can send me to Bolivar now for quoting Ophelia Ford.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09152004759314227440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-82394479152356423302007-07-12T20:27:00.000-05:002007-07-12T20:27:00.000-05:00Jon: Another example of your ignorance of this sit...Jon: Another example of your ignorance of this situation. <BR/><BR/>You said: If the church body, as a majority, did not revolt they chose to let him stay by their non-action. This is more as to what I was thinking."<BR/><BR/>It's hard to do something about what you don't know! SG and 2 other ministers KNEW.....they were responsible for their actions.<BR/><BR/>You go do some homework. It'll take a lot of time....trust me. Most of us here have invested TONS of time seeking the truth about the situation and leadership at BBC. You go invest the time, because it's all there. <BR/><BR/>As I said....it's not rocket science. It just takes time and knowledge of the scriptures. <BR/><BR/>Have fun.concernedSBCerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07725854858594901438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-67088827287586070102007-07-12T20:22:00.000-05:002007-07-12T20:22:00.000-05:00Jon wrote:"Show me the words. I did not make the a...Jon wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"Show me the words. I did not make the accusation and it is not I who should provide the source. If you want to be people of Truth, then show the words."</I><BR/><BR/>We've been showing the words for 11 months! You just haven't been around to read them. Spend some time in the archives of this blog, the "Featured Items" page of <A HREF="http://www.savingbellevue.com" REL="nofollow">Saving Bellevue</A>, and the "Events" page of <A HREF="http://integritydoescount.com" REL="nofollow">IDC</A>. You can't do it in one night, one week, and probably not in one month. It takes a lot of time to read and digest it all, but it's there if you're willing to make the effort.<BR/><BR/><I>"As I stated, provide the source and I will make contact with SG. I will go to my friends and ask them to make contact."</I><BR/><BR/>Go read for yourself, but I can tell you now that he'll simply deny everything. Rather David Coombs will deny everything. I doubt Steve Gaines would give you the time of day.<BR/><BR/><I>"Don't ask me to do your homework."</I><BR/><BR/>And don't ask us to do yours!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-3184573553393343752007-07-12T20:13:00.000-05:002007-07-12T20:13:00.000-05:00Jon: I've done my homework. You are way out of lin...Jon: I've done my homework. You are way out of line, sir.<BR/><BR/>You are ignorant of the facts, or plain refuse to acknowledge them. You said: "Sadly the church chose to let him stay and it is pretty much a moot issue. Just fodder for frustration (the church allowing him to remain, not the action taken by SG." The POINT, sir, is that there WAS NO ACTION taken by the leadership. SG KNEW about PW 6 months before the church. The only way the church found out was from Saving Bellevue and this blog. The church finding out was what made SG take action in the first place. Without this blog, PW would still be a minister, "counseling" victims of sexual abuse, having access to innocent children. SG had no intention of doing the right thing, the lawful thing. He is not fit to shepherd a congregation.<BR/><BR/>Your ignorance has reached new lows.concernedSBCerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07725854858594901438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-37062277592607581952007-07-12T20:09:00.000-05:002007-07-12T20:09:00.000-05:00Junkster,If the church body, as a majority, did no...Junkster,<BR/><BR/>If the church body, as a majority, did not revolt they chose to let him stay by their non-action. This is more as to what I was thinking.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-79065846431386322052007-07-12T20:07:00.000-05:002007-07-12T20:07:00.000-05:00Lin,Give a link to the sermon where SG said this. ...Lin,<BR/><BR/>Give a link to the sermon where SG said this. Show the false teaching, don't just state it as so. If it is truth, then there is something out there to prove it.<BR/><BR/>Hypothetically, If someone accused a person very close to you of molesting a child, as bad as that is and should never be, you would want proof before you labeled the person. Am I correct? What would you say to the person making such an accusation who says, its true but it is up to you to go find out the facts for yourself?<BR/><BR/>As someone stated, this is not rocket science.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-78552358624423303952007-07-12T19:42:00.000-05:002007-07-12T19:42:00.000-05:00concernedSBCer said... Jon: I'll bet your wife ...<I> concernedSBCer said...<BR/><BR/> Jon: I'll bet your wife would love to watch a good movie with you.<BR/> :)<BR/><BR/> Listen to the downloads.<BR/> Re-read the first person accounts.<BR/><BR/> Actions mean things.<BR/> Words mean things.<BR/><BR/> It's not rocket science.<BR/><BR/> 7:06 PM, July 12, 2007 </I><BR/><BR/>Show me the words. I did not make the accusation and it is not I who should provide the source. If you want to be people of Truth, then show the words. <BR/><BR/>I don't think you would support un-sourced accusations like this against you or a member of your family. As I stated, provide the source and I will make contact with SG. I will go to my friends and ask them to make contact.<BR/><BR/>Don't ask me to do your homework.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-65120708153365619902007-07-12T19:39:00.000-05:002007-07-12T19:39:00.000-05:00Jon L. Estes said... On the PW issue I have previo...Jon L. Estes said... <BR/><I>On the PW issue I have previously given my position and it lines up with yours. This has a 1st person source and this action alone should be enough to step down. Sadly the church chose to let him stay and it is pretty much a moot issue. Just fodder for frustration (the church allowing him to remain, not the action taken by SG). </I><BR/><BR/>This statement reflects a fundamental difference of persective between you and most of the posters on this blog. Experience has shown that there is no true mechanism in place for the congregation to act on anything other than what is allowed by SG and his supporters, who are controlling the governance of the church. So when you state that the church chose to let SG stay, it indicates that either (1) you don't understand that the church (as in the whole congregation) wasn't given a choice or voice in the matter or (2) you don't think that a collective congregational decision is required to say that the church made a choice (i.e., "the church" doesn't mean every member, it's just the folks ruling over BBC). Either way (or even if you have some other perspective), your statement reflects thinking that doesn't match up with what most posters here consider reality. Perhaps that is why what seems a "moot point" to you is still very much an issue to those who feel the church's leadership has disenfranchised those with serious concerns about SG's fitness to remain as pastor.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-11972688882549104132007-07-12T19:34:00.000-05:002007-07-12T19:34:00.000-05:00What is a 1st person source?What is a 1st person source?Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-39410641605670580652007-07-12T19:09:00.000-05:002007-07-12T19:09:00.000-05:00From this Sunday's bulletin:Notice of Information ...From this Sunday's bulletin:<BR/><BR/>Notice of Information Meeting <BR/><BR/>There will be an information meeting on Sunday, July 29, at 4:00 p.m. in the Fellowship Hall. <BR/><BR/>During this meeting, members can ask questions they may have pertaining to the Annual Financial Report. <BR/><BR/>I wonder how they will respond to a member's question if someone from the media is there with a copy of the statue pertaining to non-profit disclosures. Will they tell the members that it is none of their business even though the law demands full disclosure? Or could the media be under pressure from the "haves" instead of standing up for the "have nots"Been Redeemedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589824098474221758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-59443009897619362872007-07-12T19:06:00.000-05:002007-07-12T19:06:00.000-05:00Jon: I'll bet your wife would love to watch a good...Jon: I'll bet your wife would love to watch a good movie with you.<BR/>:)<BR/><BR/>Listen to the downloads.<BR/>Re-read the first person accounts.<BR/><BR/>Actions mean things. <BR/>Words mean things.<BR/><BR/>It's not rocket science.concernedSBCerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07725854858594901438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-82426943555458764322007-07-12T18:21:00.000-05:002007-07-12T18:21:00.000-05:00continuallyamazed said... SG preached that unity...<I> continuallyamazed said...<BR/><BR/> SG preached that unity meant agreeing with those in authority. If you don't agree with the leadership (not just BBC, but anywehre), then you are not right with God. </I><BR/><BR/>This is a bold accusation which I believe needs to be supported by a 1st person source.<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>How about Paul? Did he teach unity at any cost? Did he ever disagree with those in leadership? Did he ever stand for truth, or stand against the leadership over a Bible principle? The answer to all is "YES!" Paul scolded Peter, because Peter did not love "all the sheep" at ALL TIMES! Peter was choosing when and where he was going to love all the sheep. Paul confronted him. What happened? Peter repented of his lack of love toward all men. (Remember this happened after God had sent Peter to a Gentile, and God had told Peter, none were unclean!) There wasn't unity at any cost, because Paul was going to stand on the TRUTH!</I><BR/><BR/>If this thought (unity at all cots) were accepted in the late 60's to late 90's, there would have never been a conservative resurgence. Again, I think it necessary for a 1st person source be given to prove this is what SG espouses.<BR/><BR/><I>SG believes that the Bible is "only a guideline for a minister, that noone can measure up." Now let's break that down. What he's actually saying is, God is not big enough, not powerful enough, not strong enough, to have men who do meet the Biblical standard in today's world!!! I'll be honest with you this one just floors me. God told Elijah (Elisha, I'm always confused on those two), when Eli___? complained he was the only one standing on the Word, who cared about God, he had 7,000 men who had never bowed a knee to Baal. If God could do that then, He can't do that now. It's pretty depressing to me, if I believed that God was not preparing men to be in the pulpit, to shepherd, to lead, to guide, to feed, to comfort in the days and years to come should He delay the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I'm sorry, but it's false teaching to say that the Bible is "only a guideline, because noone measures up."</I><BR/><BR/>I agree with all you are saying in reference to the Bible and God but to accuse SG of this need a 1st person source.<BR/><BR/>On the PW issue I have previously given my position and it lines up with yours. This has a 1st person source and this action alone should be enough to step down. Sadly the church chose to let him stay and it is pretty much a moot issue. Just fodder for frustration (the church allowing him to remain, not the action taken by SG).<BR/><BR/><I>SG is a false teacher. Why? Because he does not believe the whole WORD OF GOD, nor does he preach the whole WORD OF GOD, nor does he live the whole WORD OF GOD. I'm not being harsh, I'm being truthful.</I><BR/><BR/>Saying it is one thing,proving it is another and it has yet to be proved. Please give 1st person sources for this information, until then there is not much anyone can do but ignore it. Also, it is not our place to prove your statements. If this is the case (what you accuse) I will be glad to make contact with SG and ask others who would have much more influence than I to do likewise.<BR/><BR/>Can you give proof or just accusations?Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-11967047749433705892007-07-12T17:58:00.000-05:002007-07-12T17:58:00.000-05:00From this Sunday's bulletin:Notice of Information ...From this Sunday's bulletin:<BR/><BR/>Notice of Information Meeting <BR/><BR/>There will be an information meeting on Sunday, July 29, at 4:00 p.m. in the Fellowship Hall. <BR/><BR/>During this meeting, members can ask questions they may have pertaining to the Annual Financial Report.Psalm 43:3https://www.blogger.com/profile/06732354363548373081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-5595080646548557192007-07-12T17:49:00.000-05:002007-07-12T17:49:00.000-05:00Continually Amazed...What a brilliant job you have...Continually Amazed...<BR/><BR/>What a brilliant job you have done in responding to this subject at hand. You are to commended for standing for Truth, which is at the heart of the matter in the churches. I do not attend Bellevue which you may of may not know...but I am appalled at the attitude of so many toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you so much for tending to the questions of false teaching. Tremendous job.<BR/><BR/>I mirror the comments by Piglet in that I have been at this for a long time now...but no matter, will continue to stay at it all in the name of defending Jesus. Standing for Jesus Christ is beyond words in humbling ourselves before our God!<BR/><BR/>Imaimaresistorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00684721946178559583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-45519969058694304132007-07-12T17:06:00.000-05:002007-07-12T17:06:00.000-05:00concernedSBCer said... Continually Amazed: Your 1:...concernedSBCer said... <BR/><I>Continually Amazed: Your 1:22 post was excellent. Thank you for doing such a good job of spelling it out. </I><BR/><BR/>I second that emotion!<BR/><BR/>(Yeah, I know now y'all will be annoyed at having Smokey Robinson's singing that stuck in your heads.)<BR/><BR/>Concernedscber, Your 2:30 PM post left me Feelin' Groovy, too!<BR/><BR/>(Great! Smokey Robinson AND Simon & Garfunkel in the head!)Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-26626885448735038012007-07-12T17:02:00.000-05:002007-07-12T17:02:00.000-05:00Howdy Everyone, Just skimming a few posts trying t...Howdy Everyone, <BR/><BR/>Just skimming a few posts trying to catch up a little since we've been away, but I must say the 1:22 post from Amazed hit the nail on the head. SG is disqualified by those points alone and there's a bargeload more besides.all2jesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878281155203721893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-79436649919878504452007-07-12T16:54:00.000-05:002007-07-12T16:54:00.000-05:003rdside,As Lin and I said previously, the term "fa...3rdside,<BR/>As Lin and I said previously, the term "false teacher" as used in the New Testament refers not only to someone with major doctrinal error, but also to someone who distorts or misuses scripture, or sets aside certain scriptural truths (does not teach the whole counsel of God; i.e., the scripture in context of and in harmony with all of God's truth). Others have provided several specific examples since. If you're looking for a situation in which SG stood up behind the pulpit and denied the virgin birth or something like that, you won't find it. The term for that would be "heretic". The term "false teacher" encompases much more subtle errors than that, including misleading or distorting (Greek <I>diastrepho</I>, Acts 20:30). The New Testament focus is not on the nature or content of the error so much as it on the selfish and dishonest character of the person using their position for personal and ungodly ends rather than for sincere service to Christ. Hope this helps.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-45892735151421212272007-07-12T16:51:00.000-05:002007-07-12T16:51:00.000-05:00continually amazwdI just read your post. Thanks f...continually amazwd<BR/><BR/>I just read your post. Thanks for standing in the gap for those of us who are growing a teeny bit weary. <BR/><BR/>I've been posting since ... October, I guess, and I have gotten tired of saying the same thing over and over again.<BR/><BR/>I heard John MacArthur say, this morning, not to stay under the teaching of a false prophet for one minute once you discover what they are or you may, too, be deceived. I am afraid many are being lulled into a dangerous state of denial - and are becoming putty in the hands of this man.<BR/><BR/>I spoke to one such dear lady today. SG performed the funeral for a family member and she now seems as though her eyes have glazed over and she cannot receive the truth anymore. This was not so the last time we spoke. It is very eerie and very sad to watch. These people are putting themselves and their children in spiritual danger by trying to rationalize away this man's dreadful behaviour and erroneous teachings.<BR/> <BR/>A teen in the highschool dept. told my son, when he made a Joel Osteen joke, "Hey, don't make jokes about him. He's one of God's annointed!"<BR/><BR/>Wonder where he heard that...Piglethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624016747723631809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-36300144780533245832007-07-12T14:58:00.000-05:002007-07-12T14:58:00.000-05:00concerned, I have read that same book too! The w...concerned,<BR/> I have read that same book too! The way I see it, the troll's purpose is to divide and cause distress, and it all to often works, however I guess my seasoning is too spicy for some of more gracious leanings. My bad:)<BR/>Thanks!MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-32524451910887161142007-07-12T14:53:00.000-05:002007-07-12T14:53:00.000-05:00"To those of you who did not take sometime to answ..."To those of you who did not take sometime to answer with specifics, you were a little harsh with 3rdside."<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the great answer you gave 3rdsideorwayor...<BR/><BR/>but, I am a little perplexed at this statement. I thought Mom4 asked some good questions and if 3rdside would answer her questions, it would help to know where 3rd is coming from and go from there. At this point, we do not know if 3rd thinks Matthew 18 is for everyone including pastors or thinks 1 Timothy is only 'guidelines' for elders.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.com