tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post4601642396941845442..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Darrell Gilyard Arrested While Patterson Attempts Damage ControlNew BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger200125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-14974165766445593702008-01-18T17:22:00.000-06:002008-01-18T17:22:00.000-06:00AOG, The Holy Spirit beat you to a rebuke. I reall...AOG, The Holy Spirit beat you to a rebuke. I really do feel bad about 'how' I have presented things. <BR/><BR/>I can remember my mom witnessing and teaching young men the gospel all the time. It was just who she was. Back then, she would witness to young muslim men!<BR/><BR/>Now by so many in our denomination she is considered in sin, rebellion and wicked. It grieves me to no end. <BR/><BR/>The early church did not have these 'institutions' and pulpits. They were just a Holy Priesthood meeting to worship God, learn and use their gifts. <BR/><BR/>I ask forgiveness of everyone here. And please, bring on rebukes when I need them. Does not mean I change my biblical view but I could be more gentle in sharing them.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-54469963020060685542008-01-18T12:33:00.000-06:002008-01-18T12:33:00.000-06:00ATTENTION SHEEPS!THERE'S A NEW THREAD DEALING WITH...ATTENTION SHEEPS!<BR/><BR/>THERE'S A NEW THREAD DEALING WITH THE <I>WSJ</I> ARTICLE. YOU MAY GO THERE TO DISCUSS THAT, OR YOU MAY CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THE DARRELL GILYARD STORY HERE SINCE THIS STORY IS FAR FROM OVER.<BR/><BR/>Thank you,<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-46284908501768461052008-01-18T10:19:00.000-06:002008-01-18T10:19:00.000-06:00Thank you, "watchman." I already have it and will...Thank you, "watchman." I already have it and will be using it in a new thread shortly.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-53287889002094753632008-01-18T10:18:00.000-06:002008-01-18T10:18:00.000-06:00While I'm preparing the new thread, here is an art...While I'm preparing the new thread, <A HREF="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119794156408535457.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> is an article detailing all the things that can go wrong when live animals are used in church productions.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-83397393008186589952008-01-18T10:11:00.000-06:002008-01-18T10:11:00.000-06:00Very good article, "amazed." I read the story whe...Very good article, "amazed." I read the story when it came out a few months ago, but that's the best coverage I've seen. I'll use it to start a new thread.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-24119845240526524932008-01-18T08:32:00.000-06:002008-01-18T08:32:00.000-06:00NBBCOF--There is an excellent article in todays Wa...NBBCOF--There is an excellent article in todays Wall Street Journal on-line titled "Banned From Church". See if you can find it and post it on here. You have to admire the little old lady involved and some of the churches that are named are familiar to us.amazedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18379480223014705237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-33572317115197197012008-01-18T01:16:00.000-06:002008-01-18T01:16:00.000-06:00Waiting til you settle down a bit, AOG. Take a de...Waiting til you settle down a bit, AOG. Take a deep breath, brother.<BR/><BR/>Jussayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-86151988288218874212008-01-18T00:38:00.000-06:002008-01-18T00:38:00.000-06:00And what's all this "horse hockey" about? Heard t...And what's all this "horse hockey" about? Heard that a couple of times now...<BR/><BR/>Sounds kinda exciting. Can these ponies actually deliver a slap shot? Sure would like to see them crashing the boards. And those hip checks...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Hey, I was at a fight, and a horse hockey game broke out...<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Can I watch it on ESPN?ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-9564272840245407532008-01-17T23:51:00.000-06:002008-01-17T23:51:00.000-06:00I sense a little ego damage happening...Which may ...I sense a little ego damage happening...<BR/><BR/>Which may lead to humility...<BR/><BR/>Which may result in grace...<BR/><BR/>jussayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-11101520013065169672008-01-17T23:35:00.000-06:002008-01-17T23:35:00.000-06:00Listen people. John Calvin is not God.jussayin'.Listen people. John Calvin is not God.<BR/><BR/>jussayin'.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-38100460217015562262008-01-17T23:22:00.000-06:002008-01-17T23:22:00.000-06:00Concernedsbcer said:You know, I've been reading al...Concernedsbcer said:<BR/><BR/>You know, I've been reading all this debate and I have a thought.....according to my understanding we were all made in God's image (yes, I saw that debate too...horse hockey..... check out Genesis...God made woman just as He made man) and not only were we all made in His image, Jesus died for each of us. We are all priests.....at least, I believe in the priesthood of the believer. I do think, in a perfect world, men and women have specific strengths, but last time I checked, we don't live in perfect. So all that to say that God guides me just as he guides men, and He loves me the same, and I serve Him the same.<BR/><BR/><BR/>oc says:<BR/><BR/>I sense you are indignant because you feel your priesthood has been discounted. And if that is indeed the case, then you should feel offended. If you feel it has been discounted, it is only because men have discounted it. God hasn't. The last I've seen, Galatians 3:28 is still in the Bible and still in force. There is no difference between us in the eyes of God. We are all one in Christ Jesus.<BR/><BR/>And we can be disappointed in our "leaders" all we want.<BR/>But we alone are responsible for our own relationship with God.<BR/> I think we often tend to lean on these "leaders" too much. Often it becomes a counterfeit for a personal relationship with Him. And that will always disappoint. But it is far more comfortable for us to hear the Word from the preacher than to be confronted with the Word from Him. Whenever we lean on a human being instead of the Lord, we lean on nothing.<BR/>I think the Lord can do fine without those who seem to want to prove that otherwise.<BR/><BR/>In the end, it is between He and me. Not my preacher, not my teacher, not my kid, my friend, not even my Momma, but only He and me.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Stick to your guns sister. We see your aim is true. Fire away!<BR/><BR/>jussayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-6833730875990101592008-01-17T23:09:00.000-06:002008-01-17T23:09:00.000-06:00There was a time when this blog was a place of som...There was a time when this blog was a place of sometimes deep theological discussion and discourse. Over the last several months however, it has become apparent that the level of vitriol, anger, character assassination and the like has ratcheted up more than a couple of notches. I think more see it than are willing to say anything about it, but I digress. It's one thing to hold a view of something, or have issues that are "close to the heart", but of late it's become hard to tell whether they are truly issues close to the heart or just an ax to grind. Perhaps since the battle for BBC is all but over, there's nothing left to fight except every last human being who dares to disagree on any number of issues. I've seen any number of people's names dragged through the mud, from John Calvin to Al Mohler, to who knows who'll be next. Just those two names alone being mentioned here in any positive manner is to subject onesself to the ire of resident expert historians who tell part of the story but not all. And speaking of the "faggot" who lit the fire under Servetus, who by the way, was under a death sentence in most every country in Europe, and was put to death by the Genevan city council...how many men have been burned in effigy on this blog of late?..and for what reason?...because their views don't line up with the "normal" and "Biblical" view of the resident expert...isn't that the very accusation laid at Calvin's feet? Should I really believe that anyone who holds a differing view just doesn't understand the Scriptures or have knowledge of the Greek and should just "get it together" and snap in line with your own understanding, lin? Are you really that studied and scholarly...an expert in the Greek language..so much so that we should just write off those who've spent decades studying the languages of Scripture and yet still don't agree with you?...I guess any of us who don't should just pack it up, forget it, and bow to your superior knowledge. The irony is you display the same attitude you accuse those you disagree with of having. If anyone thinks I'm being a little harsh towards lin, consider these few choice nuggets..."comps", "compland", "pink" and "blue" hermeneutics. "If the comps spent as much time on their relationship with Christ as they did on all the rules and regulations of 'compland'...they would not need rules!". I suppose that lin's is the only walk that's worthy of the Lord? Lin, I've always respected you, but lately you've made that difficult for me...not because of your views..I've disagreed with you before without losing any respect or regard for you, but it's the manner in which you attempt to make your case. Derogatory tags and such don't promote serious dialog. There's been much talk about holiness, accountability, truth, and such on this blog..that's good..words have meaning..and weight. But they tend to lose both meaning and weight when discussion degenerates into what's been displayed here lately. If you really want a deeper understanding of Scripture then let this marinate a little...every last soul will give an account for every word spoken, openly and in secret. The book of James has much to say about the tongue..let's be careful to not become the one who speaks blessings out of one side of the mouth and cursings out of the other. When we feel inclined to rake someone over the coals, lets make sure we'd be as bold face to face...and remember it's very easy to say, "yea I'd say it to their face", when your behind a computer screen..not so much when you really are face to face. But we will be face to face with the Lord one day, and have to give an explanation...an account..I'm quite certain the Bible says that.allofgracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17885273980023518290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-76635743069032843072008-01-17T22:47:00.000-06:002008-01-17T22:47:00.000-06:00But what is there to "submit" to when a man is put...But what is there to "submit" to when a man is putting his wife before his own needs, respecting and honoring her???And she him????<BR/>The 2 are 1.<BR/><BR/>My daughter and son in law are both educated...their marriage is mutual respect and love ...and admiration for the gifts and talents the other has. <BR/>They submit to each other....and are having a blast.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-18194350132844903472008-01-17T22:40:00.000-06:002008-01-17T22:40:00.000-06:00ABC's Nightline is running a story on Creflo Dolla...ABC's <I>Nightline</I> is running a story on Creflo Dollar right now. He said, "What makes you think Jesus was poor?"<BR/><BR/>Uh... maybe the fact that he didn't even have a place to lay his head?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-2889257395800791102008-01-17T22:39:00.000-06:002008-01-17T22:39:00.000-06:00Concerned, that's part of the ugly side of femini...Concerned, <BR/>that's part of the ugly side of feminism.<BR/>We all have our prospective that we are coming from. <BR/><BR/>The day I had to go to court for my divorce....( my husband cheated numerous times and ran thru money to feed all his unfamily like little habits)I was asked by the judge if I were disabled.....<BR/>Why???<BR/>Becuase I only worked a part time "mom job" so that I could be home when my children came home from school.<BR/>The courts don't care that you or I worked to help our husbands get where they are today. It's perfectly fine with them if mothers are ripped from their children to work 50 ( or 62 :)hours a week just to squeak by....while the part time dads live much differently...<BR/>EXCEPT AOG!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>beat you to it :)gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-33917930356654587442008-01-17T22:32:00.000-06:002008-01-17T22:32:00.000-06:00Another thought.....being a man doesn't just mean ...Another thought.....being a man doesn't just mean they are "in charge" and boss of everything...men are also charged to love their wife as Christ loved the church. You show me a man who loves his wife like that and I'll show you a wife that has no problem submitting. Not because he's better than her, but because she trusts him.concernedSBCerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07725854858594901438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-81157184100552947182008-01-17T22:19:00.000-06:002008-01-17T22:19:00.000-06:00To be truthful, the ERA has done me no favors........To be truthful, the ERA has done me no favors.....if I hadn't had their help, I would have been taken care of after my husband left after 17 years of marriage. What did I get for taking care of his house and children while he pursued his degree and career? Nothing.<BR/><BR/>Not bitter, just stating a fact. There was a time not too long ago that infidelity mattered, and taking care of the wife mattered too. No more. We are all equal in the eyes of the courts. <BR/><BR/>There are pros and cons to everything.concernedSBCerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07725854858594901438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-54124585643631798502008-01-17T21:56:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:56:00.000-06:00Concerned, I was thinking along those lines, myse...Concerned,<BR/> I was thinking along those lines, myself. I just wanted to put in a sympathetic word for the guys. <BR/> The enemy is not one gender or the other. The enemny is not flesh and blood. The is spiritual, and roaming to and fro seeking whom he may devour.Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17309542144960745601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-6575865047513664562008-01-17T21:40:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:40:00.000-06:00Lin said:If being a feminist means to them that I ...Lin said:<BR/>If being a feminist means to them that I want a deeper understanding of scripture then call me one.<BR/><BR/><BR/>oc says:<BR/>Call me one too. If you dare. :)<BR/><BR/>jussayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-57237914718880745432008-01-17T21:39:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:39:00.000-06:00From Merriam Webster's Dictionary:Main Entry: fem·...From Merriam Webster's Dictionary:<BR/><BR/>Main Entry: fem·i·nism <BR/>Pronunciation: \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\ <BR/>Function: noun <BR/>Date: 1895 <BR/>1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes <BR/>2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests <BR/>— fem·i·nist \-nist\ noun or adjective <BR/>— fem·i·nis·tic \ˌfe-mə-ˈnis-tik\ adjective<BR/><BR/>Wow, definition #1 is certainly a radical concept, isn't it? Note it doesn't say anything about one sex being "superior to" or "in authority over" the other. Believe it or not, "feminist" isn't a four-letter word, any more than "Democrat" is. It's the extremes to which both the left and right wing <I>fringes</I> have taken those concepts that have corrupted them.<BR/><BR/>If it were not for those "radical feminists" of the late 19th and early 20th centuries (see definition #2 above), women would still not have the right to vote in this country today. No doubt the "pats" of their day spoke of those men and women (a "feminist" isn't by definition a female) in the same unflattering terms Paige Patterson and "watchman" and others of that mindset use to describe feminists today -- all feminists, not just the radical ones.<BR/><BR/>Feminist, according to the Merriam Webster's definition, is one label I'm not ashamed to wear.<BR/><BR/>But boy, let's drop the dreaded "F" bomb whenever we disagree with someone else's interpretation of Scripture. That's a whole lot easier than actually discussing anything.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-48630746149587996552008-01-17T21:37:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:37:00.000-06:00Nass:Yeah whatever. SOTL Goes To Seminary. Might ...Nass:<BR/>Yeah whatever. SOTL Goes To Seminary. Might be a good movie, but probably not a good reality show...someone might get hurt there...and I'm bettin' it won't be SOTL.<BR/><BR/>jussayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-56261750572290844532008-01-17T21:35:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:35:00.000-06:00"My views are 'feminist'." OOPS. My views are NOT ..."My views are 'feminist'." <BR/><BR/>OOPS. My views are NOT feminist. And no, that is NOT a Freudian slip. He was an atheist.<BR/><BR/>-Big BurquaLinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-36059553276833395612008-01-17T21:28:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:28:00.000-06:00gmommy, anytime 'they' want to avoid discussing CO...gmommy, anytime 'they' want to avoid discussing CONTENT, they use the word feminist. That is all it takes to conjure up bra burnings. <BR/><BR/>I am a wee bit sick of it. My views are 'feminist'. They are normal. They are Biblical.<BR/><BR/>If the comps spent as much time on their relationship with Christ as they did on all the rules and regulations of 'compland'...they would not need rules! But then, they would NOT sell as many books either and their incomes would dry up. It is like book/conference of the month with those people.<BR/><BR/>ya wanna know soemthgn even more interesting? They refuse to debate serious conservative, seminary educated egalitarians. Why? Because they cannot answer serious questions except to repeat their mantras over and over. They can't explain away the inconsistenceis in the Greek or the apparent contradictions in scripture except to say they are 'non-normative'. <BR/><BR/>If being a feminist means to them that I want a deeper understanding of scripture then call me one.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-6539175470533714852008-01-17T21:24:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:24:00.000-06:00You know, I've been reading all this debate and I ...You know, I've been reading all this debate and I have a thought.....according to my understanding we were all made in God's image (yes, I saw that debate too...horse hockey..... check out Genesis...God made woman just as He made man) and not only were we all made in His image, Jesus died for each of us. We are all priests.....at least, I believe in the priesthood of the believer. I do think, in a perfect world, men and women have specific strengths, but last time I checked, we don't live in perfect. So all that to say that God guides me just as he guides men, and He loves me the same, and I serve Him the same.concernedSBCerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07725854858594901438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-4329536506958959132008-01-17T21:15:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:15:00.000-06:00Lin wrote:"My mom was not real domestic so she hir...Lin wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"My mom was not real domestic so she hired a housekeeper. She was not a great cook, so we ate out a lot."</I><BR/><BR/>Too bad they weren't offering those homemaking courses at the seminary back then. Hey, maybe we could take up a collection and send SOTL now!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.com