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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 409 of 409Josh,
Did you try to lie on the Mike Fleming show yesterday? Or did you at least mean to mislead? If not, why did you? You seem to be a very smart guy and you should know what you are saying. You seem to have all the facts right? If so, why make up stuff?
The light you shed on the "pledge" deal was NOT true and very sad. You really need to get your facts straight. You mislead everyone that was listening to 600 that day.
gatorjake,
yes i did receive your email..thanks for keeping in touch...I'm sorry I haven't responded yet, but I do plan to post something new on my blog after the holidays..as always, I appreciate your knowledge and perspectives you bring to the table...I hope you're being blessed over the holidays..though I suspect you might not celebrate it...I don't put as much emphasis on it anymore either, tough I do still acknowledge the season. Blessings to you.
Steve Gaines and Paul Williams "criminal" defense attorney better be paid for by "them" and not paid by the Church.
The Church will not pay to defend any "criminal activity" of these men.
Someone please explain to us how this is financialy being handled?????
What a thought, the money many members will give Sunday will go to defend criminal charges against Steve Gaines and Paul Williams.
When will these men step down and let our Church begin to heal? That my friend would be an act of love.
Seems to me, that it many times goes back to the money..Interesting
4545,
Could you tell me what Josh lied about? Please be specific and if you read some of the posts above I think it might help your demeanor. Could Josh not have been mistaken?
The posts from Tim,WTB, and SWTT speak volumes about the way we should be communicating on here. I believe if we would all pray before we hit The publish button many of these posts would end up not being posted.
JMHO
I'm pretty sure that calling something a lie doesn't make it a lie. Care to expound on my on-air lies?
I said that a loyalty pledge was on the table asking for unanimous support to Dr Gaines. Chuck Taylor asked SG for a queue later, on the same issue, showing that SG was calling the shots. We have the text to support this claim irrefutably.
I said that people had asked for the bylaws and been denied them. That is totally true. I eventually got a copy, but not before I was denied myself. I had to actually cite the Tennessee code to these people to get them to follow the law that they're paid to know. I also said that other records would not be released. That is true as well. I said there is a lack of transparency. True as well.
I gave the numerical breakdown accurate as of when I last heard and qualified it as such. On nothing more than definition that is true.
You want to call someone a liar? Call a liar the person who called later saying there was no such pledge (maybe the person was just an innocent, ignorant of the facts, but folks we need to pursue truth—the facts and what to do with those facts biblically). Thankfully someone debunked that caller by calling in with the text of the pledge. Call a liar the person who said he had settled things with the Whitmires when he hadn't. Call a liar the man who tells some people that he doesn't pull tithing records and never would , and other times tells staffers that they must release their tithing records. Call liars the people Joyce Rogers asked to set the record straight on Dr Rogers not knowing about PW--the same people who refused to do that, providing no cover at all for our beloved Dr Rogers and weaving a story so misleading that one of Joyce's relatives asked afterwards if Dr Rogers knew.
People, we've got a lot of heads in the sand on this one. For some reason when strife flares, lots of people find it easier to believe what they want instead of fact hunting. Closed minds can protect us from error but they can also insulate us from truth. We should try every spirit. We should be discerning. To do those things we must consider both sides and the facts as best we can gather them, then weigh them in light of Scripture.
But many prefer simply to dig holes and plunge their heads in, blindly following the status quo or refusing to acknowledge error. Why are we so comfortable, heads buried in the sand? Why do we spend so much time there when there is Truth to seek?
Josh,
You and many others have shed FALSE light on the "pledge" from day one. Period. The "pledge" was nothing more than re-stating what ALL Deacons had already agreed to. It was ONLY to show love and support for the Pastor. That is all, period. there is nothing else to it.
Also, Dr, Gaines, had NOTHING to do with the motion/"pledge". Nothing. It was NOT his idea and again, he had nothing to do with it. There were several calls after you on the radio that gave the REAL facts about it and what happened.
It was the also a motion by a Deacon that was the reason Chuck Taylor took it to Dr. Gaines. Dr, Gaines did not call and shots regarding the "pledge" NONE.
He made no decisions.
How many times does the above REAL facts have to be stated?
The caller said there was no such "pledge" referring to how you described it. The caller was right. I had no problem with the actual "pledge" getting into Mike's hands. There was nothing wrong with it.
If a Deacon had an issue with the "pledge", they should have never signed on to be a Deacon. They agreed to the same at that time.
BlessMeWithTheTRuth said...
A Refreshment course on Paul Williams
In the event Steve Gaines were to claim that Paul Williams did not confess his rape and sodomy sex crime, let me remind you that Steve Gaines sent David Coombs to David Brown with SNAP to speak on behalf of Bellevue.
David Coombs verified the sex crime to David Brown in an offical capacity, representing Steve Gaines and Bellevue.
There is no wiggle room left.
It this were a cour the following people might be called to testify to prove that Steve Gaines knew about the sex crime.
DAVID COOMBS
DAVID BROWN
THE ABUSER OFFICER WHO TOOK DAVID BROWN`S CALL
ACE - If they ever find out who he is
PAUL WILLIAMS
PAUL WILLIAMS` SON
MEMBERS OF PAUL WILLIAMS FAMILY
AND WHOEVER SuRFACES THAT KNEW OF THIS and HAD THE VICTIM`S NAME BEFORE IT BROKE.
Let it be clear that Steve Gaines did nothing about Paul Williams UNTIL he was contacted by DAVID BROWN and when he had DAVID COOMBS response on his behalf, DAVID COOMBS was less than honest.
Steve Gaines can not change the facts as much as he would like to!
3:53 PM, December 23, 2006
uturn said...
QUESTIONS:
Are Steve Gaines and his supporters looking for polical favors in order to clear up the Paul Williams incident?
What political figure would come to the aid of Bellevue if asked?
Can the DA be bought off by Steve Gaines through a polical connection?
Has Paul Williams been asked to sign an agreement with Bellevue which states that he can not share his personal history as a minister at Bellevue Baptist Church with anyone.
Has Paul Williams signed such an agreement?
Does Paul Willliams have evidence of improprieties within the leadership of Bellevue Baptist Church that would compromise the integrity of senior ministers and staff?
Is Steve Gaines making plans to offer Paul Williams a severence package?
Does Steve Gaines know who Paul Williams counseled with since the initial incident?
Why did Steve Gaines make such great efforts to close down an Alabama newspaper in his hometown for displaying ads that supported gay lifestyles but not immediately dismiss a known pedophile that was in his own church?
Who is paying for lefal cousel pertaining to the Paul Williams incident?
Who is the counsel?
Is Focus on the Family helping Steve Gaines with the Paul Williams incident and supporting Mike Spradlin`s call for Steve Gaines resination at the same time?
4:15 PM, December 23, 2006
BlessMeWithTheTruth said...
Reported by Ursula Madden
Gaines' decision to keep confidence could lead to criminal charges
Dec 22, 2006 09:24 PM CST
Gaines' decision could lead to criminal charges
Legal impact to Gaines decision
For six months, Pastor Steve Gaines had a secret.
"In June of this year, I had a confidential meeting," said Gaines.
By his own admission, Gaines knew another minister at the church had sexually abused a family member 17-years ago.
Keeping that confidence could lead to criminal charges against Gaines.
"Everyone has a duty to report. There are not exceptions, there are not exceptions for clergy or anyone else," said Assistant District Attorney, Kevin Rardin.
Rardin could not talk specifically about possible legal action against Gaines.
But, he says Tennessee law is clear when it comes to reporting sexual abuse against a child.
Rardin adds, "Failure to report suspected child abuse or neglect is a crime in and of itself.
Rardin says it doesn't matter how long ago that abuse happened, or if the child who was abused, is now an adult.
"Even though the child you mention may now be an adult, there may be other children at risk from the same person, the suspect, and that's why it's incumbent upon you to report it to the appropriate authorities."
Depending on how much Pastor Gaines knows about what he calls this minister's "past moral failure" could determine if he is in trouble with the law.
Children's advocates also say Tennessee law is clear.
"It is that every person is required to make a report to an agency like Department of Children's Services if they have reason to believe that someone may, a child may have been molested or abused," said Nancy Williams, with the Memphis Child Advocacy Center.
According to Bellevue Pastor Steve Gaines' own words, he didn't just have reason to believe it, he had a confession from one of his ministers, who admitted to molesting a child.
"No matter when it happened, it's got to be reported," said Susan Mackenzie, a Memphis attorney who has represented adult survivors of child sex abuse.
She says reporting abuse is important because it could encourage other victims to come forward and prevent additional crimes.
"Child sexual abuse is rarely an isolated incident if an adult has sexually abused one child the odds are there other children out there," she said.
Tennessee's reporting law applies to everyone. There are no exceptions.
"It is that responsibility that we all carry and if we fail in that responsibility there needs to be some consequences to us," Mackenzie explained.
And there are consequences. Not reporting child abuse is punishable by up to three months in jail and the possibility of a fine.
This was increased just last year by the Tennessee Legislature from a maximum of $50 to $2500.
4:25 PM, December 23, 2006
BlessMeWithTheTruth said...
Please notice that the article I just posted says
"Depending on how much Pastor Gaines knows about what he calls this minister's "past moral failure" could determine if he is in trouble with the law."
This is where Steve Gaines and his counselors are going to consentrate their efforts for now.
The less Steve Gaines admits to knowing the better off he is legally speaking, so watch carefully how this plays out.
I hope Steve Gaines will just be honest about all that he knew but if he isn`t, he better remember the winesses that can prove a lot of what he knew.
4:34 PM, December 23, 2006
ATTENTION!
A NEW THREAD HAS BEEN STARTED SINCE THIS ONE IS GETTING SO LONG. PLEASE MOVE UP!
Thank you,
NBBCOF
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