tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post7926169392171654008..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Extravagant? Or embarrassing?New BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger200125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-85049074836211778312008-10-27T17:16:00.000-05:002008-10-27T17:16:00.000-05:00It is a sad day when we have so much time that we ...It is a sad day when we have so much time that we can attack others without regard to damage done. If it broke fix it. If you do not know how to fix it find someone who does. If you do not know someone then let it alone because it is bkgger than you are.bigdipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04496439351929293292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-36841091345693125652008-10-04T22:42:00.000-05:002008-10-04T22:42:00.000-05:00THERE'S A NEW THREAD IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE UP!THERE'S A NEW THREAD IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE UP!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-80760618485604457002008-10-04T22:20:00.000-05:002008-10-04T22:20:00.000-05:00I love Junk's idea but can we pipe in old Jim Whit...I love Junk's idea but can we pipe in old Jim Whitmire music too???? I love the old services. If we did this, it would lead people to believe we really did worship Dr. Rogers. I can see the newspaper headlines now....bowthekneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667402123182844452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-32942922196256987612008-10-04T20:48:00.000-05:002008-10-04T20:48:00.000-05:00I reckon I will set me up some kinda profitable bi...I reckon I will set me up some kinda profitable bidnet.<BR/><BR/>I reckon I will sell sermons to Steve Gaines. Next week, "Why I Am Fearful Others May Use My Sermons". The following week is "It's Certainly Not My Fault, Nothing Ever Is". And the third week, "You Get What You Pay For, NOT, But You're Stuck With It Anyway".ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-68308340100615024412008-10-04T20:36:00.000-05:002008-10-04T20:36:00.000-05:00But the real problem is that we are all so stupid ...But the real problem is that we are all so stupid (according to the thinking and preaching of the big dogs today)<BR/>We couldn't have a church without the proper authority over us!! <BR/>Scripture has to be twisted and embellished from the pulpit.<BR/>Why....we have to have that annointing dripping from the the pastor is a bishop is an elder....on us for things to work right....<BR/>the good ol boys decided against the priesthood of the believer ...shoot...we can't even be saved without a preacher near by.<BR/>And then there would be the problem of the men who think they are over all women...and absolutely no women teaching boys over 8.5 years old!!!( I made that age up:)gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-68829627937810628382008-10-04T19:51:00.000-05:002008-10-04T19:51:00.000-05:00I really like your idea Junkster. Probably would ...I really like your idea Junkster. Probably would have 2000 members within a month. I would love to see a church return to being traditional. Sadly no one will give us that option. After all according to the preachers I have heard lately only the contemporary or blended service churches are "spiritual or Godly."WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-66769901943505169562008-10-04T18:02:00.000-05:002008-10-04T18:02:00.000-05:00Hey Junk,I would feel so blessed if anyone in any ...Hey Junk,<BR/><BR/>I would feel so blessed if anyone in any church in any part of the world would ever care to use any part of any message I've spoken in order to bless anyone else. The humility would just crush me.<BR/> <BR/>But it's not that way anymore.<BR/>It seems it is no longer about the Gospel, it's about how we can feel better about ourselves, and get popular.<BR/>No more searching Scriptures for any understanding of the tinyness and wormliness of ourselves in relation to Him.<BR/><BR/>No, we're big shots now. And we demand our credit.<BR/><BR/>And I'm sad that it seems we cannot carry on beyond our beloved messengers. It just proves that our faith has been misplaced.<BR/>That is our lack, the fault belongs to no one else but our ourselves. It's but spiritual laziness and misplaced trust. Should have been trusting in Jesus.<BR/><BR/>And I don't think I should go any further with this right now.<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-7231459934271065302008-10-04T15:44:00.000-05:002008-10-04T15:44:00.000-05:00A preacher should study the text, pray, and rely o...A preacher should study the text, pray, and rely on the leading and illumination of the Holy Spirit when preparing sermons, rather than just looking for a good outline or illustrations from another preacher. But if, for whatever reason, a preacher choses to use a sermon he has heard from another preacher, I would think that the original preacher would be humbled and/or flattered, not upset by it. As OC indicated, if the message is from God, why would the original preacher not want it to be shared as widely as possible? I can't think of any reason other than personal pride -- the arrogance of a preacher to think he "owns" what he has preached.<BR/><BR/>A friend told me this week about a small church she visited once where the pastor had preached for years and had been much loved by the congregation, but he had died several years before. Rather than find a new pastor, each week a member of the church would get up and read a different transcript of one of the deceased preacher's sermons. I know, it sounds strange. And I'd suspect that it was a pretty dysfunctional group of folks, who may have had some pastor worship going on. But, then, J. Vernon McGee has been dead for nearly 20 years, and last time I checked his "Thru the Bible" radio program was still going strong. <BR/><BR/>So it all got me thinking -- what would it be like if a bunch of folks got together and started a church, a real, full fledged traditional Baptist church, with Sunday School, congregational hymn singing, nursery, visitation, evangelism ministries, youth programs, the whole bit -- but in each week's Sunday service, when it came time for the pastor to preach, they watched a video of a sermon by Dr. Rogers? Yeah, I know a person would never get to know their preacher personally in that situation, but how many people at a church the size of BBC really get to know the pastor anyway? This could the the solution of the future for mega-churches, to prevent the struggles that inevitably come with a change in pastors. I mean, if the Lord tarries, even John MacArthur will die or retire someday, right?Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-36323555790768960202008-10-04T14:01:00.000-05:002008-10-04T14:01:00.000-05:00Lynn,Happy Birthday my brother!I'm glad God made y...Lynn,<BR/>Happy Birthday my brother!<BR/><BR/>I'm glad God made you!<BR/><BR/>Your bro,<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-11812098338689000892008-10-04T12:38:00.000-05:002008-10-04T12:38:00.000-05:00If the prayer, inspiration,study,preparation,and d...If the prayer, inspiration,study,preparation,and delivery of a sermon for the benefit of the people of God is of the Holy Spirit, then who owns that sermon?<BR/><BR/>If it's only a speech, then no wonder everyone is looking at their watches and thinking about lunch.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-42351180593780318242008-10-04T10:53:00.000-05:002008-10-04T10:53:00.000-05:00Worried about stealing sermons?Gee, and all along ...Worried about stealing sermons?<BR/><BR/>Gee, and all along I thought preachers were supposed to be preaching the gospel and the good news was to be spread openly and freely... I guess unless what is spoken from the pulpit is not the gospel.<BR/><BR/>So maybe that doesn't apply to mere speeches.<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-62153050339396548612008-10-04T10:18:00.000-05:002008-10-04T10:18:00.000-05:00gopher said..What are they hiding? Is Steve Gaines...gopher said..<BR/>What are they hiding? Is Steve Gaines embarrassing the church so much they're ashamed to put all his sermons in the archives.... <BR/><BR/>LWOOD said....<BR/><BR/>Gopher.....<BR/>He doesn't want other Preachers stealing his sermons....As for embarrassing the church that could also be true but then????That just adds to the list.....<BR/><BR/>Have a great Sat. everyone. Get out and enjoy the beautiful fall day the Lord has given to us....I am on my way out the door!!!!!!!Lwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873087822830025416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-52705896765103845612008-10-04T09:54:00.000-05:002008-10-04T09:54:00.000-05:00Gopher, That video was SG telling some pointless s...Gopher,<BR/> That video was SG telling some pointless story about a kid wanting cake...not about house values.<BR/><BR/>Sorry but what a joke about not posting his sermons for fear that someone would steal them.<BR/>There's no content anyone COULD steal in the ones I have watched live on the internet.<BR/><BR/>Yelling at people and ranting about issues to manipulate ISN'T preaching the Bible.<BR/> Putting his own spin on what the Bible MEANS to him and not at all what the Bible says isn't something people would want to steal.<BR/>Goodness that's arrogant! <BR/><BR/><BR/> So good to hear from lwood! Hope you are well!<BR/>I know we miss Bro R but we've learned so much thru all this.<BR/> <BR/>I personally see the danger in having a Bro R the way we did.<BR/><BR/> Then we expect other pastors will have the same devotion to the Lord and the same integrity.<BR/><BR/>We aren't as discerning when we are comfortable. It's easy for the fakes to slip in when we are comfortable and when we put so much trust and emphasis on the pastor.<BR/><BR/>We have to learn from all that we have experienced or it will continue.JMOgmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-2194368134413919912008-10-04T09:50:00.000-05:002008-10-04T09:50:00.000-05:00Well stealing is a sin. : )For anyone who still ca...Well stealing is a sin. : )<BR/><BR/>For anyone who still cares about The Shack, there is an interesting message about it from Dr. Young at Grace Evangelical Church in Germantown. You can easily google to find this message or I'm sure someone can link it for us. For those of you who would rather hear a more balanced view, I think this is the one for you. He starts out talking about how he does not want their church to be known for what they are against. He says he did read the book two times. The second time he took notes and wrote down page numbers. He explains why he is so passionate about the error in this book. He also explains why it is important to correct the error in fiction. He calls this book theological fiction. I think this will answer concerns from some of you about why a simple allegory would be such a big deal. I thought he did a good job and by the end of it he became very passionate and I was actually crying a little at the very end. I'm really an emotional person but I did surprise myself.bowthekneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667402123182844452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-20370743065005149072008-10-04T08:43:00.000-05:002008-10-04T08:43:00.000-05:0013 years ago to the day, Orenthal James Simpson ru...13 years ago to the day, Orenthal James Simpson ruined my birthday by getting away with murder. Yesterday, I got the best present I could ever get for my birthday.....Orenthal's goin to Jail!!!! He got convicted on all 12 counts in his robbery trial.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09152004759314227440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-36920253353801144132008-10-04T08:06:00.000-05:002008-10-04T08:06:00.000-05:00"Lwood said...What are they hiding? Is Steve Gaine..."Lwood said...<BR/>What are they hiding? Is Steve Gaines embarrassing the church so much they're ashamed to put all his sermons in the archives? My, the BBC editing department must really stay busy!"<BR/><BR/> Does any one know what Steve really means about ....other people…. house values….etc, ??<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16136457KWcRrQ2X" REL="nofollow"> Watch This</A><BR/><BR/>Remember this in the middle of this message and where he claims people are “…going to HE//…”gopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248697714473635198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-2184095102912664122008-10-04T00:25:00.000-05:002008-10-04T00:25:00.000-05:00"This past Sunday morning at the 9.A.M. T.V. broad...<I>"This past Sunday morning at the 9.A.M. T.V. broadcast SG made the statement that other Preachers had wanted him to put his sermons on the internet but he was not going to put them out there for them to copy...That is just stealing he said..."</I><BR/><BR/>:-ONew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-13951811220846058162008-10-03T23:30:00.000-05:002008-10-03T23:30:00.000-05:00Are we surprised? The July 13th dance video was ed...Are we surprised? The July 13th dance video was edited out. The August 24th service was never put up at all. (That was the one where he fussed at every group he could think of.) All those wonderful Sunday evening sheep-beating sermons from the fall of 2006 have disappeared. In fact, everything, morning and evening, prior to 2007 has disappeared. What are they hiding? Is Steve Gaines embarrassing the church so much they're ashamed to put all his sermons in the archives? My, the BBC editing department must really stay busy!<BR/><BR/>12:00 AM, October 03, 20<BR/><BR/>This past Sunday morning at the 9.A.M. T.V. broadcast SG made the statement that other Preachers had wanted him to put his sermons on the internet but he was not going to put them out there for them to copy...That is just stealing he said......So there is the excuse for no sermon on the bellevue site...He don't want anyother Preacher stealing him sermons:)<BR/>For some reason 8 and 9 o'clock services were different ones...<BR/>Haven't posted in awhile but could not resist this one....Do keep up with you all tho....<BR/>With all the political stuff going on we really miss Dr. Rogers being here to uplift us and guide us with the word of God...I am so thankful for the notes I took and can refer back too as I read my Bible.Lwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873087822830025416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-4998091572683683022008-10-03T17:25:00.000-05:002008-10-03T17:25:00.000-05:00Yeah, no doubt it's still all about the music. :-)...Yeah, no doubt it's still all about the music. :-)<BR/><BR/>Ha ha! Very funny. As NASS already knows it is because of a general lack of reverence for God that seems to be spreading through the entire convention. If you can find a church where there is true reverence, praise God and find a place to serve!!!!!!bowthekneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667402123182844452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-85326080526090826542008-10-03T01:18:00.000-05:002008-10-03T01:18:00.000-05:00Shoot. A dude who probably makes a half mil a year...Shoot. A dude who probably makes a half mil a year isn't worried about any real estate situation. Or any other economic crisis for that matter. Otherwise, he might take a big pay cut and give it to the poor. And maybe do something for the inner city people. Maybe move there and prove how much cares. <BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-39170538892909924812008-10-03T00:36:00.000-05:002008-10-03T00:36:00.000-05:00Thanks for sharing that Gopher. Now we understand ...Thanks for sharing that Gopher. Now we understand why Sol was fired up.<BR/> BUT....home values are NOT going down because of annexation. We recovered from that already. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure SG is aware of the current real estate situation...but maybe that's uncharted waters for him too :)<BR/><BR/>The foreclosures are being calculated into the home values now.<BR/>All those homes bought thru sub prime lenders and shady builders (who are out of business now) at inflated prices so that the buyer could get their fees and closing costs paid for by the seller. <BR/>It was a train wreck waiting to happen. <BR/>This was caused by corrupt lenders...again, not a race issue.<BR/><BR/>I can't believe SG is blaming the annexation ....isn't he just a few years too late. The people that were moving away because of annexation did that several years ago....maybe 4 years or so.??gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-14458326887640009482008-10-03T00:00:00.000-05:002008-10-03T00:00:00.000-05:00"Wouldn’t it be nice to see Steve Gaines send his ...<I>"Wouldn’t it be nice to see Steve Gaines send his children to Cordova High School so the members could see first hand how his type of evangelism is to be done... "</I><BR/><BR/>Based upon where he lives, his one child who is still in high school would go to Germantown (9th-10th grade) or Houston High (11th-12th grade), not Cordova. You make a very good point though.<BR/><BR/><I>"This sermon (9/28) has now disappeared from BBC web site"</I><BR/><BR/>Are we surprised? The July 13th dance video was edited out. The August 24th service was never put up at all. (That was the one where he fussed at every group he could think of.) All those wonderful Sunday evening sheep-beating sermons from the fall of 2006 have disappeared. In fact, everything, morning and evening, prior to 2007 has disappeared. What are they hiding? Is Steve Gaines embarrassing the church so much they're ashamed to put all his sermons in the archives? My, the BBC editing department must really stay busy!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-14939915146214111762008-10-02T23:27:00.000-05:002008-10-02T23:27:00.000-05:00" New BBC Open Forum said...Wow. Strong words. Hi..." New BBC Open Forum said...<BR/>Wow. Strong words. His arrogance is growing by the week."<BR/> This week Steve Gaines lashed out at those whose family, friends, or financial advisers have suggested that they should move because their property values were falling and real estate taxes were rising due to recent annexation of Cordova by the city of Memphis.<BR/> <BR/> Remember this is being said by a man and his staff who personally<BR/><BR/>DO NOT live in Memphis , <BR/>DO NOT pay city taxes, <BR/>DO NOT send their children to city schools, <BR/>who as of yet have not had to deal with Memphis crime, <BR/><BR/>and then like a cult leader, begins telling the members what to do in their personal life.<BR/><BR/>Steve said also "... do not move one inch..." when he moved from Alabama to Shelby County <BR/><BR/>WOW what Consistency<BR/><BR/>Wouldn’t it be nice to see Steve Gaines send his children to Cordova High School so the members could see first hand how his type of evangelism is to be done,<BR/><BR/>instead Steve points to the congregation and says "...it is your job.." <BR/><BR/>This sermon (9/28) has now disappeared from BBC web sitegopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248697714473635198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-21387182927257391522008-10-02T21:39:00.000-05:002008-10-02T21:39:00.000-05:00Well he has certainly gotten a lot of mileage out ...Well he has certainly gotten a lot of mileage out of his imaginary insult. But maybe now he has enough info to re-assess<BR/>his assumptions and be able to come to an honest conclusion without prejudice.<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-25769780666666060272008-10-02T21:20:00.000-05:002008-10-02T21:20:00.000-05:00"And because I know you are soooooo interested, I ...<I>"And because I know you are soooooo interested, I am in the process of leaving another church - once again having absolutely nothing to do with race. Apparently I'm just a big quitter."</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, no doubt it's still all about the music. :-)New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.com