tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post5259126104534188661..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: ABC News "20/20" Report: Preacher PredatorsNew BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger504125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-82105835782054314122007-04-17T09:06:00.000-05:002007-04-17T09:06:00.000-05:00charlie fox said... allofgrace said... Who says MD...charlie fox said... <BR/>allofgrace said... <BR/>Who says MD was fired? <BR/><BR/>REPLY:<BR/><BR/>That's the word I got an hour ago. <BR/><BR/>8:52 AM, April 16, 2007 <BR/><BR/>A quick call to the church office will confirm that MD is on vacation and has not been fired. You may take this information as confirmed.Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11943061817912520497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-14624043147178704772007-04-16T21:54:00.000-05:002007-04-16T21:54:00.000-05:00Sorry, I fixed it.Sorry, I fixed it.whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15078792611141039709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-72991457621150376502007-04-16T19:01:00.000-05:002007-04-16T19:01:00.000-05:00why is the question?,You must make your profile vi...why is the question?,<BR/><BR/>You must make your profile visible, or your comments will be deleted.<BR/><BR/>Thank you,<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-57095618864521923272007-04-16T18:25:00.000-05:002007-04-16T18:25:00.000-05:00Why,I don't want to argue with you, but you really...Why,<BR/><BR/>I don't want to argue with you, but you really don't know what will happen in the future of Bellevue.<BR/><BR/>In a million years you couldn't have convinced me that the Senior Pastor of BBC would have scaled a 4 foot fence to intimidate a fellow member, or called said member "hezbollah" or kept a pedophile on staff for 6 months or directed money to a apostate church, etc, etc, etc. Shall I go on? <BR/><BR/>So the motto "whatever it takes" really does apply to Bellevue and there's no telling what that entails or where the line will be crossed. Bellevue ain't Bellevue no more - they should change the name to Gainesville.<BR/><BR/>karenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11805543641376648431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-21963022182623937482007-04-16T17:22:00.000-05:002007-04-16T17:22:00.000-05:00why the question:Take THAT up with Jamie Parker wh...why the question:<BR/><BR/>Take THAT up with Jamie Parker who said on tv that in 5 years you wouldn't even recognize BBC.<BR/><BR/>Wonder what HE meant by that?sickofthelieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05746279905491875721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-7199715678333600622007-04-16T17:14:00.000-05:002007-04-16T17:14:00.000-05:00Karen,No we do not have to look like that and Bell...Karen,<BR/><BR/>No we do not have to look like that and Bellevue does not and never will.whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15078792611141039709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-13345437658492976762007-04-16T16:11:00.000-05:002007-04-16T16:11:00.000-05:00Tim,I bet we could bring in a lot of unchurched wi...Tim,<BR/><BR/>I bet we could bring in a lot of unchurched with some sexy chicks in bikinis in the portico - but is that what church is for? Do we have to look and act like a nightclub/strip joint/enter your favorite unchurched activity here? I think the statement by Rick Warren is the single, most stupid comment ever to come from a "minister". <BR/><BR/>And by the way, is "moo moo, buckaroo" anything like "nah nee nah nee boo boo"? Just wondering...Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11805543641376648431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-58731259740003853612007-04-16T15:26:00.000-05:002007-04-16T15:26:00.000-05:00A quote from Rick Warren...If you were to look for...A quote from Rick Warren...<BR/><BR/>If you were to look for a church to attend, what kind of things would you look for? This single question taught me more about "thinking like a unbeliever” than my entire seminary training. I discovered that most churches are offering programs that the unchurched are uninterested in.<BR/><BR/>Tim says;<BR/><BR/>Well moo-moo, buckaroo. Do tell that most churches are offering programs that the unchurched are uninterested in. We could probably bring in a whole new group by selling discounted porno in the bookstore. Or perhaps just allowing people to check it out of the libary. The church was not designed by Jesus to be haven for the lost, but rather a refuge for the saints.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-76117895036805563482007-04-16T12:13:00.000-05:002007-04-16T12:13:00.000-05:00A word of encouragement for all you hard working "...A word of encouragement for all you hard working "hate filled, gossips" out there...<BR/><BR/>Jeremiah was ONE voice that God chose to use to warn a whole NATION to repent and turn back to God. ONE VOICE in a whole nation...and NO ONE listened. Not even the remnant that went into Egypt....<BR/><BR/>We don't appear any more willing to repent and turn back to God any more today than they were then.ezekielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11991868400830971195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-56882005895680116942007-04-16T12:05:00.000-05:002007-04-16T12:05:00.000-05:00By all means off topic from the discussion but the...By all means off topic from the discussion but the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history has taken place today on the campus of Virginia Tech with the death toll now at 21. We need to be praying for all of those that are involved in this horrible situation.InMemphishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12436449536840888508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-64506086150526354312007-04-16T11:54:00.000-05:002007-04-16T11:54:00.000-05:00Thanks OC.Every KJV that I can find uses “Pastor”....Thanks OC.<BR/><BR/>Every KJV that I can find uses “Pastor”. The ESV uses “shepherd”, the NASB uses “ruler”.<BR/><BR/>ESV….Do these sound similar to you? Jeremiah 25 is particularly interesting… The cup of wrath….all nations…all people. Where is that Rapture now? <BR/><BR/>Jeremiah 25:29For behold, I begin to work disaster at the city that is called by my name, and shall you go unpunished? You shall not go unpunished, for I am summoning a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth, declares the LORD of hosts.'<BR/><BR/>1 Peter 4:17For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?ezekielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11991868400830971195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-19853955060627419302007-04-16T11:43:00.001-05:002007-04-16T11:43:00.001-05:00OK Charlie. That's right. Thanks.OK Charlie. That's right. Thanks.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-49640532647573572112007-04-16T11:43:00.000-05:002007-04-16T11:43:00.000-05:00The post below is a response from Josh Manning to ...The post below is a response from Josh Manning to the overused criticism that those calling out the sin in the pulpit are divisive and troublemakers.<BR/> <BR/>Worth a gander - since not much has changed since this was posted in November - not much except the pedophile incident, the check to FUMC, and the repeated denials of leadership to open the books or have a legitimate meeting. (sigh)<BR/><BR/>Custos said... <BR/>SendTheLight50 wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Did you all realize that Dr. Rogers introduced Purpose Driven Life to Bellevue, not Brother Steve?"<BR/><BR/>Yes, we all do. But this does not make its propriety different. Further, call Bill Skelton and ask what Dr Rogers take on seeker friendliness/full conversion to the PDC movement was. Bill will tell you that when they encountered these things at conferences, Dr Rogers would routinely say, "No, this is not the direction for us." He would pull what he thought was good from the movement (calling the church a campus, using IMAGs, etc), but absolutely knew that much of the stuff was not for the best.<BR/><BR/>"Did you all realize that Dr. Rogers prayed that Brother Steve would come to Bellevue?" <BR/><BR/>Yes, we all do. And many of us did too. How does that prayer at all effect the issues of accountability, integrity, and transparency that face us now? Surely the argument isn't that "Since Dr Rogers wanted him here, he's doing just fine [my words not yours]."<BR/><BR/>"You do not have to participate in causing conflicts among the members."<BR/><BR/>You're right, but at some point mustn't one stand? (Yes, I did just use the contraction "mustn't.") At what point should one stand?<BR/><BR/>"Those of you who are participating in the anti-Gaines slander and gossip are trouble makers-not peace makers."<BR/><BR/>Wait a minute, have you seen how many issues have been clarified through this medium? Far more than were dealt with by the CC (ironic initials) publication which had numerous half-truths. Second, you referred to troublemakers. I'm betting the same moniker was used for Moses, Elijah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jesus, Peter, and Paul just to name a few. Standing for what's right when it's not popular is troublemaking, but it's not necessarily wrong.<BR/><BR/>"Peace makers would rather be wronged and walk away than cause problems to escalate."<BR/><BR/>That's not what the Lord did in Matthew 23 nor what Paul did in numerous epistles. Further, isn't what you suggest the antithesis of your name, SendTheLight? Walking away rarely sheds any light. Declaring truth does.<BR/><BR/>"There is no way you can rationalize your behavior!"<BR/><BR/>It has been defended ad nauseum. If you disagree that's fine, but it would be nice if you'd take up some of arguments and present counter arguments. <BR/><BR/>11:42 AM, November 26, 2006Piglethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624016747723631809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-65473070434184578992007-04-16T11:30:00.000-05:002007-04-16T11:30:00.000-05:00oc,He referenced King James.oc,<BR/><BR/>He referenced King James.Charlie Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499907366425737139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-45541147337300824092007-04-16T11:27:00.000-05:002007-04-16T11:27:00.000-05:00Ezekiel,In Jeremiah,the word 'pastor'should proper...Ezekiel,<BR/><BR/>In Jeremiah,the word 'pastor'should properly be rendered 'shepherd' or 'ruler'. I don't know why your version renders it as 'pastor'.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-23932934795027488612007-04-16T11:20:00.000-05:002007-04-16T11:20:00.000-05:00amy,Back at cha.amy,<BR/><BR/>Back at cha.Charlie Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499907366425737139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-70395021476864745712007-04-16T11:10:00.000-05:002007-04-16T11:10:00.000-05:00Has anyone got any ideas as to why Jeremiah is pra...Has anyone got any ideas as to why Jeremiah is practically the only book in the Bible to use the word "Pastor"? One reference uses it in Ephesians but outside that, everything else is some other type of leader, elder, Bishop or priest....Is Jeremiah's prophesy pointed at the church of today just as it was pointed at the church of old?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=pastors&qs_version=9" REL="nofollow">PASTORS</A>ezekielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11991868400830971195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-52126140280449525222007-04-16T10:12:00.000-05:002007-04-16T10:12:00.000-05:00Charlie,You have mail!Charlie,<BR/>You have mail!Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16166259185845126345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-46257731504634200692007-04-16T09:58:00.000-05:002007-04-16T09:58:00.000-05:00RE: Carolyn HiggenbothamI'm sure she's a great pra...RE: Carolyn Higgenbotham<BR/><BR/>I'm sure she's a great prayer warrior, BUT, is she going to have to sign the pledge to Stevie Wonder?<BR/><BR/>If so, I would think that would negate anything else she did, since she would be making her pledge to SG, and not to GOD.sickofthelieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05746279905491875721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-63956846643500881432007-04-16T09:40:00.001-05:002007-04-16T09:40:00.001-05:00Carolyn Higginbotham is an great prayer warrior an...Carolyn Higginbotham is an great prayer warrior and Bellevue is so blessed to have her leading up our prayer ministry.whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15078792611141039709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-57039070367854124292007-04-16T09:40:00.000-05:002007-04-16T09:40:00.000-05:00Sooo....First a huge link is put up to a sight run...Sooo....<BR/><BR/>First a huge link is put up to a sight run by a "former bellevue staff member" who is well... amazingly enough... anonymous yet making all kinds of claims about Bellevue and it's staff member... <BR/><BR/>And the it is claimed that Mark D. has been fired, yet it can't/won't be verified...<BR/><BR/>That fits my definition of rumor spreading. <BR/><BR/>Now... if M.D. has been fired... then obviously it isn't rumor spreading...<BR/><BR/>And... why did they show the front of Bellevue on the intro to the spot on 20/20... but then went on to well... make no mention whatsoever of Bellevue. I mean... I'm thinking that yeah... if not THE flagship church of the SBC, then certainly one of the top three SBC churches... and that scandal... then yeah... it at least deserves a passing comment. But... nothing. I was quite surprised. And Wolf-man... that dude's a nut.<BR/><BR/>And i'm quite sure that this was already discussed, but I didn't scroll back.SpringerSpanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04938621793399675364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-27744415129907307902007-04-16T09:38:00.000-05:002007-04-16T09:38:00.000-05:00Not a problem Charlie...we hear stuff like this al...Not a problem Charlie...we hear stuff like this all the time, that's why I asked.allofgracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17885273980023518290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-39557733645941305492007-04-16T09:21:00.000-05:002007-04-16T09:21:00.000-05:00allofgrace said... From where if I can ask? REPLY:...allofgrace said... <BR/>From where if I can ask? <BR/><BR/>REPLY:<BR/>No, you may not ask.<BR/><BR/>MOM4 said... <BR/>RE: Mark Dougharty...<BR/><BR/>I am wondering if they are putting out rumors just to see where their leaks are? Has this been verified? <BR/><BR/>REPLY:<BR/>I have not personally called the office to verify. However, my source is VERY reliable.Charlie Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499907366425737139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-30813498308600466202007-04-16T09:16:00.000-05:002007-04-16T09:16:00.000-05:00RE: Mark Dougharty...I am wondering if they are p...RE: Mark Dougharty...<BR/><BR/>I am wondering if they are putting out rumors just to see where their leaks are? Has this been verified?MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-12915045207425623292007-04-16T08:59:00.000-05:002007-04-16T08:59:00.000-05:00From where if I can ask? Email me if you like.From where if I can ask? Email me if you like.allofgracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17885273980023518290noreply@blogger.com