tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post3376285280867401380..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Let's Do the Tithe Rap!New BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-68469107034618534892010-06-04T18:57:46.226-05:002010-06-04T18:57:46.226-05:00Haven't been here in a long time. See things h...Haven't been here in a long time. See things haven't changed except to get worse...and worse. There isn't any going back. Leaves me feeling sickly.<br /><br />ImaresistorNenandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08165125232797079837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1393176860086889052010-04-19T15:27:41.677-05:002010-04-19T15:27:41.677-05:00Commenting with nothing more to say just because I...Commenting with nothing more to say just because I don't like unevern numbers.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-9409471791675147472010-04-15T09:47:45.208-05:002010-04-15T09:47:45.208-05:002010 Census Forms to be Preserved as Digital Image...<a href="http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/04/2010-census-forms-to-be-preserved-as-digital-images.html" rel="nofollow">2010 Census Forms to be Preserved as Digital Images</a>... including notes scribbled in the margins. Uh oh!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-22701605365937307892010-04-13T17:35:39.348-05:002010-04-13T17:35:39.348-05:00A few decades ago they called that sort of thing &...A few decades ago they called that sort of thing "separate but equal." Today they just call it "roles."New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-34147797511231223042010-04-13T15:53:08.243-05:002010-04-13T15:53:08.243-05:00NASS,
Women can attend and graduate from MABTS, ju...NASS,<br />Women can attend and graduate from MABTS, just not with an M.Div., a Ph.D., or a D.Min., which are considered "pastoral" degrees. (Unless that has changed recently, but I doubt it.) They can get other masters degrees, including one in missions, which is considered an "M.Div. equivalent" academically. Guess it is like churches that have women do the same thing that men do but are called "Directors" instead of pastors or ministers.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-2592877694554530732010-04-12T23:28:46.146-05:002010-04-12T23:28:46.146-05:00Blasphemy! Next thing you know they'll be adm...Blasphemy! Next thing you know they'll be admitting women to the ministerial programs.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-36508738984399366862010-04-12T19:58:27.067-05:002010-04-12T19:58:27.067-05:00The apocalypse can't be far off now ...
Histo...The apocalypse can't be far off now ...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.facebook.com/notes/mid-america-baptist-theological-seminary/historic-mabts-moment/381347116330" rel="nofollow">Historic moment at MABTS</a>Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-55084469331260496362010-03-25T20:40:34.550-05:002010-03-25T20:40:34.550-05:00Slot machines with Christian symbols are in the wa...Slot machines with Christian symbols are in the waiting as soon as gambling is legalized in TN.<br /><br />I figure Bellevue will probably line the foyer with them so folks can use them while waiting for the <br />11-11 to start.<br /><br />All of course, in the name of good.<br /><br />The end justifies the means.<br /><br />The way the Southern Baptist leadership are cozying up to Donna and Steve leads me to believe the Southern Baptist Convention is falling fast.<br /><br />We need to pray that the rank and file churches all over America (that are not mega-churches) wake up and stop voting for these big money guys who are selling themselves.fogmachinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13669554812878184529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-83163726635896406092010-03-25T16:57:54.223-05:002010-03-25T16:57:54.223-05:00Can't wait to see the Visa, Mastercard, Discov...Can't wait to see the Visa, Mastercard, Discover, and American Express stickers on the doors and the signs hanging from the street signs. Gotta love this seeker friendly stuff.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-74717645304135186892010-03-25T15:58:35.880-05:002010-03-25T15:58:35.880-05:00gopher said...
"Now at Bellevue Baptist Chur...gopher said... <br />"Now at Bellevue Baptist Church an ATM Machine, right outside the Bookstore, soon to come Coffee Shop.Claims it is "Donated" <br />by Regions Bank."<br /><br />Who cares if it was donated? An ATM machine in a church is wrong!<br />Just one more step in SG's master plan to tear down and rebuild and I'm sure his loyal followers think an ATM machine in the church is awesome!:O)32yrs@bbchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729616459232164784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-88810689187011066412010-03-24T22:28:19.923-05:002010-03-24T22:28:19.923-05:00Now at Bellevue Baptist Church
an ATM Machine, ri...Now at Bellevue Baptist Church<br /><br />an ATM Machine, right outside the Bookstore, soon to come Coffee Shop.<br /><br />Claims it is "Donated" <br />by Regions Bank <br /><br />Does that name ring any bells?<br /><br />And by the way, the machine requires a $3 donation to deliver your $$$$.<br /><br />So where does the donations go?<br /><br />.gopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248697714473635198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-88884304502600412362010-03-22T14:23:01.168-05:002010-03-22T14:23:01.168-05:00To not dress appropriately is disrespectful and re...To not dress appropriately is disrespectful and reveals a rebellious heart that cares only for self. But that seems to be today’s attitude. It’s only about me and what I want. If you want to dress like a bum then that is what you need to be. I say fire the bum!WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-65154215789093670602010-03-21T22:28:15.908-05:002010-03-21T22:28:15.908-05:00According to the live blog of the House vote on he...According to the live blog of the House vote on health care reform at http://tinyurl.com/ye42qry:<br /><br />10:45 PM ET: According to the current roll call, the Democrats have crossed 216 votes. If that holds, the Democrats have passed the bill.<br /><br />10:47 PM ET: The House has passed health care reform by a vote of 219 to 210.<br /><br />=8-(<br /><br />Prov. 21:31 says, "The horse is made ready for the day of battle, but victory rests with the LORD."<br /><br />I will sleep tonight on those last 6 words...TN Lizziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09774706701590920470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-47583327458554052932010-03-20T15:43:25.671-05:002010-03-20T15:43:25.671-05:00Maybe dressing in jeans and sneakers, with shirt t...Maybe dressing in jeans and sneakers, with shirt tail out, when preaching in view of a call, is a sign of spiritual and emotional maturity rather than immaturity. He's being who he is, not who others say he should be and not pretending to be something he isn't, and he's not focused on outward appearance.<br /><br />But I don't think I'd vote for him, so maybe I'm too spiritually and emotionally immature. :)<br /><br />One thing we can be pretty sure of -- not likely he went to Mid-America Seminary!Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-88737194946583613012010-03-20T15:07:55.851-05:002010-03-20T15:07:55.851-05:00Excellent point! At least the guy is not blindsidi...Excellent point! At least the guy is not blindsiding them. I guess I see the jeans, tennis shoes, and shirt tail hanging out as a sign of immaturity - emotional and spiritual. But, hey! He's not trying to hide who he is.32yrs@bbchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729616459232164784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-8083251357593131832010-03-19T17:08:24.012-05:002010-03-19T17:08:24.012-05:0032yrs@bbc said...
"... can anyone explain to...32yrs@bbc said...<br /><br />"... can anyone explain to me the thinking ...."<br /><br />well at least he's being honest, unlike some who come all dressed up in suit and tie alone with his nicely attired family, and like a strip tease artist, things begin to go, first the tie, then the jacket, then the dress shirt, then the choir, then the Passion Play....<br /><br />.gopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248697714473635198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-12396429785885222682010-03-19T09:03:35.078-05:002010-03-19T09:03:35.078-05:00Totally off subject - but, can anyone explain to m...Totally off subject - but, can anyone explain to me the thinking behind what seems to be a uniform for the younger generation of pastors? I just learned of another young man who is being called as pastor to a small town church. For his first sermon on the Sunday the congregation would take a vote, he<br />wore tennis shoes, jeans and a long tail shirt hanging out. Why would he think this was appropriate? Anyone who goes for a job interview, if they have a grain of sense, knows the importance of dressing appropriately...shirt tail tucked in and a belt at the very least.<br />I honestly just don't get it.32yrs@bbchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729616459232164784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-7764059376295336932010-03-18T18:09:15.909-05:002010-03-18T18:09:15.909-05:0032yrs,
I agree that what most people are concerned...32yrs,<br />I agree that what most people are concerned about is the size and intrusiveness of federal government. But I personally didn't have a problem with providing any of the information asked for on the census, and it was less than has been asked on some in the past. <br /><br />The U.S. Constitution says this: <br /><br /><i>Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of<br />Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.<br /><br />The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such manner as they shall by Law direct.</i> <br /><br />Thus, as I said previously, the only thing specifically authorized is a count. But the it also specifies that the counting differed based on whether a person is free, American Indian, or "other Persons" (meaning not free, which, in historical context means black), then the question of race is also allowed by the Constitution.<br /><br />But it also says "in such manner as they [Congress] shall by Law direct", and elsewhere the Constitution says:<br /><br /><i>The Congress shall have the power . . . To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.</i> <br /><br />From this we can see that it <b>IS</b> legal for the census to ask for more than just a count. So the census bureau can pretty much ask whatever Congress passes into law. We are then obligated, under penalty of law, to provide whatever information is asked. I believe that the current penalty for providing no resposne is up to $100 per question (totaling $1000 for the 10 questions on the current census form), and up to $500 per question for knowingly proving false information (up to $5000 total).<br /><br />Do I like it? No. Do I think it is what the Founders had in mind? No. I think the federal government is going way beyond its constitutionally stated role, and the census is just one minor example of many. But I am answering all of the questions, and I advise everyone else to do the same. <br /><br />Also, according to the Bible, we are to obey the laws of our land unless they contradict the laws of God. Since God never told us (as Christians) not to provide the government with the info asked for in the census, then it would be a violation of Scriptural principle not to complete the census.<br /><br />NASS,<br />I'll probably wait until after April 1 to send it in; I just think it is funny that they gave conflicting instructions (send it back today, but provide the info as of 4/1, and be sure it is accurate). Typical of the federal government to ask us to do something impossible.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-49047088950676776112010-03-18T17:08:54.260-05:002010-03-18T17:08:54.260-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.32yrs@bbchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729616459232164784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-91181781363380684152010-03-18T15:22:38.591-05:002010-03-18T15:22:38.591-05:00I was just reading a site where the census was bei...I was just reading a site where the census was being discussed, and people are filling in all kinds of wrong races, made-up races, names, ages, etc. They're stuffing the return envelopes with junk, marking through questions (presumably so no one else can answer them), putting the form in the envelope backwards, tearing it up, throwing it away, writing messages to Obama on the form (as if he's going to see them), etc.<br /><br />Paranoia has taken over! If you're going to fill out the form, please fill it out accurately and completely or don't fill it out at all. Then we can all be taxed even more to cover the cost of them having to send out people to get the information in person. (I hate to say this, but sadly, I predict someone is going to be sent into the wrong neighborhood and get shot before this is over.) I hate to think what a mess the 2000 and 2010 censuses are going to be when they're released in 2072 and 2082. (I remember some of these same protests in 2000.) I don't envy our descendants who will be trying to sort it all out.<br /><br />I don't understand why they didn't ask each person's occupation. That's always been asked before, and it would be useful information when the census becomes public. Another question in the past for each person has been if s/he speaks, reads, and writes English. (It's usually in the form of three columns you check.) They also used to ask what state you, your father, and your mother were born in. It seems to me they've left out a lot of information that has historically made the census useful to future generations.<br /><br />Oh, and that long form that some people are getting? That's nothing new either. I helped an elderly lady fill out one of those in 1970. (It just dawned on me how many years ago that was. Ugh.) Back then they asked, among other things, if you had flush toilets and how many.<br /><br />Here's how far we've come since the first census was taken in 1790. Back then the questions were:<br /><br />- Name of the head of each household. <br /><br />- How many free white males age 16 and older?<br /><br />- How many free white males under age 16?<br /><br />- How many free white females of any age?<br /><br />- How many of all other free persons? (I always assumed this meant non-family members who weren't slaves.)<br /><br />- How many slaves?<br /><br />It wasn't until 1850 that each person in the household was listed by name. From 1790 to 1840 only the head of household was listed with tick marks (or later, numbers in columns) for other males, all females, and slaves in each household.<br /><br />I wonder how many of those who are so vocally protesting the census today have sons (or are themselves males) between 18 and 25 who've registered for the <a href="http://www.sss.gov/FSwho.htm" rel="nofollow">Selective Service</a>. That's still required by law, too, but I can't remember the last time I heard anyone object to that.<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a good summary of the questions that have been asked in previous censuses. All but a tiny portion of the 1890 census was destroyed in a fire.<br /><br />For anyone who's interested in seeing old censuses (and maybe looking for your ancestors) there are several free sources online. The best, if you have a library card to just about any library, is to access HeritageQuest which you can do from home through the library's website. Some libraries also have Ancestry.com available for use inside the library only. The LDS library has the 1880 census online for free. The LDS churches maintain genealogy libraries within their facilities that are open to the public free of charge. They can borrow microfilm from the Salt Lake City library for a small fee. Before so many online resources were available, I spent many hours in the local LDS library.<br /><br />I realize all this is off topic, but frankly I'm weary of BBC and the SBC.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-8920424636574814782010-03-18T14:40:45.909-05:002010-03-18T14:40:45.909-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.32yrs@bbchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729616459232164784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-11747035650283022412010-03-18T13:30:01.308-05:002010-03-18T13:30:01.308-05:00Junk,
Wait until April 1st to mail it back. That...Junk,<br /><br />Wait until April 1st to mail it back. That's only two weeks away.<br /><br />At least with the race question there's now an allowance for people who are of mixed race. Years ago they had a category for "mulatto" (which is, by definition, what Obama is), but now there are white, black, and several varieties of Hispanic and Asian, and you can check as many as apply. (Truth be known, most of us don't know how many apply.) I wonder how many people will notice that or think about it. Obama is just as much white as black (maybe more), but apparently he considers himself black. Certainly many of those who voted for him did. Someone who immigrates to the U.S. from Africa, even if he's white, could call himself "African American." Folks, if you're an American citizen, you're plain old unhyphenated American. Period. (I think this is similar to Lizzie's point about being a member of the "human" race.)<br /><br />Has anyone seen the show <a href="http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/" rel="nofollow">Who Do You Think You Are?</a> on NBC? Each week they take a famous person and trace one or two lines of their ancestry. Last week it was Emmitt Smith. The look on his face when he discovered one of his ancestors was "mulatto" was priceless. <br /><br /><i>"My opinion is that much of what all three branches of government have done over the last century or more is unconstitutional."</i><br /><br />Amen.<br /><br />32yrs,<br /><br />Unless you gave them a phone number, they will likely be showing up at your door. Whether or not you have a mortgage is a matter of public record already. So are birth, marriage, and divorce records in some states.<br /><br />The only year (that's available to date) where they've included anything about age (other than in years) was the 1900 census where they gave the month and year of each person's birth. That's very helpful for future researchers, and knowing the age distribution of the people in a community IS important. The needs of an aging community are different from those of a young community. (The administrators of the government-run healthcare system, if this thing passes, have to know who to kill off first!)<br /><br />Now, when an organization like BBC starts asking for people's SSNs and checking "tithing" records, then we have a problem. I never give my SSN to anyone who doesn't absolutely have to have it. Doctors' offices always want it to use for a "patient number," and I just say no, that's not what a SSN is for. But as I mentioned before, as soon as you die your SSN becomes public anyway. Much of the illusion of "privacy" we have today is just that -- an illusion.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-83915211842255815952010-03-18T12:23:31.172-05:002010-03-18T12:23:31.172-05:00I just mailed my census form. The only information...I just mailed my census form. The only information I gave was the<br /># of people in our household, our names and race. That's it. No date of births, are we renting or buying, do we have a mortgage, etc.<br />The census is to count people in a household. That's all that is required by law. Any other information is none of their business.32yrs@bbchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729616459232164784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-85815270118634705772010-03-18T11:56:59.546-05:002010-03-18T11:56:59.546-05:00Please don't be nervous about filling out your...Please don't be nervous about filling out your census form. It appears to me the OMB number applies to the whole form, not just question #4.<br /><br />When your great-great-grandchildren are working on their genealogy, especially if they're working on a common surname, that information will be invaluable.<br /><br />The census is kept sealed for 72 years. Therefore, the information you put on your 2010 census form will not be unsealed until 2082 at which time I can pretty much assure you that you won't be around to care. The 1930 census didn't become available until 2002, and the 1940 census will be available in 2012. (I can hardly wait!)<br /><br />Look, I'm as security conscious as anyone, but <i>please</i> don't let the alarmists convince you not to provide accurate and complete information on your census form! It's important now for congressional representation and allocation for our infrastructure (if we're going to have to pay taxes anyway we might as well get all the bang for our buck we can), and it will be invaluable for your descendants long after you're gone.<br /><br />When I began doing genealogy many years ago I thought I'd found my great-grandparents in the census. <i>Everything</i> fit -- given names, ages, location, etc. -- until I noticed the family was black. (I'm not.) If that information had not been available I would have wasted a lot of time chasing a wrong lead.<br /><br />Do you know that as soon as you die your Social Security number is a matter of public record? (The census form doesn't ask for your SSN.)<br /><br />Besides, if you don't fill it out completely and return it, they're either going to call you or show up at your door. So make it easier on yourself and just do it now. For every form that isn't mailed back that's just more of <i>your</i> tax money spent paying someone to track you down.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-55304868706746616892010-03-18T11:53:09.851-05:002010-03-18T11:53:09.851-05:00TN Lizzie,
Another strange thing about this census...TN Lizzie,<br />Another strange thing about this census is that the instructions say to complete and mail it back immediately, but they also say to report number of residents, etc., as of April 1. How am I supposed to send in information today about what things will be like in the future? I could guess what I think it will be, but providing any false information is subject to fines -- so what if someone moves or dies between the time I fill it out and April 1?<br /><br />Then there was the fact that they sent out a letter a week or so ago just to tell me that the cenus would be coming soon. How much did it cost to print and send that to every address in the country?<br /><br />The census has always asked about "race" -- but the Constitution says nothing about that, only that an "enumaration" (a count, not demographics) shall be made every 10 years. However, Congress gets to set the laws about the census, and the laws specifies that we are subject to fines if you don't provide all the information requested.<br /><br />My opinion is that much of what all three branches of government have done over the last century or more is unconstitutional.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.com