tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post3226118396407555208..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: An acquaintance of a friend of a lady told me...New BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-17359497981082340082020-05-04T20:25:52.048-05:002020-05-04T20:25:52.048-05:00Eddie Struble<br /><a href="https://newbbcopenforum.blogspot.com/2020/05/information.html" rel="nofollow">Eddie Struble</a>New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-60941228132289152962016-05-08T17:01:34.807-05:002016-05-08T17:01:34.807-05:00So two honest comments (1) do you tithe? (2) w...So two honest comments (1) do you tithe? (2) which of these men ever said you are not saved if you do not tihe? (This was your clear implication)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15234297510249834077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-81093626681496105552015-10-15T20:30:54.267-05:002015-10-15T20:30:54.267-05:00I don't know. Are we? Submit some new materi...I don't know. Are we? Submit some new material for consideration, and we might. Frankly, I got tired of Shyster Steve quite a while ago. He bores me because he's just so darned predictable. New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-21444003105938027152015-10-12T09:22:13.711-05:002015-10-12T09:22:13.711-05:00Are we going to be dishing out a new article here ...Are we going to be dishing out a new article here soon. I always enjoyed keeping up with articles about Shyster Steve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-676218443028466352014-03-09T20:37:24.211-05:002014-03-09T20:37:24.211-05:00We should have faith that if God ordains something...<i>We should have faith that if God ordains something to be done by the leadership of His spirit we should have faith that He will make provision.</i><br /><br />Exactly. Apparently Steve's faith isn't that strong because he seems to think people need perpetual "encouragement" from <i>him</i> to give more. And not just to give where, when, and how much the Holy Spirit leads but constant guilting and pressure to give to "the storehouse" (as redefined by Steve). Sounds to me like Steve might not be certain all those "somethings" <i>he</i> needs/wants money for are God-ordained after all.<br /><br />Come on, Steve! How about sticking to presenting the gospel and preaching about, oh, say... "anything <i>but</i> money" (or reminding women of their proper "roles" in <i>their</i> own families as dictated by men like <i>you</i>, as that one's getting old, too), and just let the Holy Spirit convict people to give however He leads? If all your programs and big salaries are truly ordained by God, He <i>will</i> "open the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows," and people will give over and above anything you could ever imagine.<br /><br />If they're not ordained by God... well... the receipts will reflect that, too. Step out in faith, Steve. Step out in faith, and stop trying to "help" God. If the coffers are getting low the sheeple not practicing "storehouse" tithing may not be the problem. The problem just might be that God wasn't in it in the first place. Just sayin'.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-61526995664447146482014-03-09T16:35:17.739-05:002014-03-09T16:35:17.739-05:00Matthew 22:36-39 Jesus was asked "which is th...Matthew 22:36-39 Jesus was asked "which is the great commandment in the law and He replied "you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind. He goes on to say "ye shall love your neighbor as yourself". Though we give we may not love but if we love we will certainly give. Only God can measure the extent of our love. We are to give out of love not out of law. Galatians 5:18 says that if we are led by the Spirit we are not under the law. We should have faith that if God ordains something to be done by the leadership of His spirit we should have faith that He will make provision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-59491155080751873482014-02-24T20:28:49.398-06:002014-02-24T20:28:49.398-06:00We love brother Steve group on facebook.
Which ha...<i>We love brother Steve group on facebook.</i><br /><br />Which has seen no activity since 2011.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-66601855646273655742014-02-24T19:30:20.554-06:002014-02-24T19:30:20.554-06:00Correction. We love brother Steve group on faceboo...Correction. We love brother Steve group on facebookAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-39486549312028779742014-02-18T21:53:06.336-06:002014-02-18T21:53:06.336-06:00Copied from previous thread:
WishIhadknown said.....Copied from previous thread:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291" rel="nofollow">WishIhadknown</a> said...<br /><br />Questions. If all of the things Steve Gaines and others preach about tithing are true. Why is it necessary to have an annual, “prove the tithe Sunday?” If God is faithful, and He is, would not having one “Prove the Tithe Sunday” be enough to prove the point? Wouldn’t those who participate lives be so changed that others would see and want what those people have?<br /><br />5:36 PM, February 18, 2014New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-2377547883758854022014-02-18T08:14:02.028-06:002014-02-18T08:14:02.028-06:00Excellent illustration of this in a "guest po...<a href="http://thewartburgwatch.com/2014/02/17/be-in-awe-of-jesus-and-love-yourself/" rel="nofollow">Excellent illustration</a> of this in a "guest post" by Wade Burleson on <i>The Wartburg Watch</i>:<br /><br /><i>Any pastor who takes Old Covenant rituals and practices and brings them into the New Covenant, slapping Christian terminology on those Old Covenant rituals and practices, is deceiving believers and leading them away from 'the rest' that comes through faith in Jesus Christ's work. For example, if you've been taught that the church building is "the Temple of God," then you have been misled. The person who comes to rest in the work of Christ is the Temple of the living God. Everywhere you go, God is, because the life of God is in you. If you've been led to believe that if you don't give 10% to your church then you are "stealing from God," the pastor of your church is misleading you. God actually owns all that you have, and you are but a steward of it all. Give as the Spirit of God leads you, wherever He leads you, because the institutional church this side of the cross is not the Old Covenant Temple of God prior to the cross. If you have been led to believe that only males can be teachers and proclaimers of truth and that only men can lead, then you have been duped into believing that the Old Covenant principles of male priesthood are still in effect, and you have missed the New Covenant principle that every believer, whether male or female "is a priest unto God." If you have been taught that there are people with "spiritual authority" over you, then you have never seen the truth that Christ alone possesses all authority in the New Agreement and dispenses His authority through the gifts of the Spirit and the servant acts of His people, not the positions and titles bestowed by fellow man.</i><br /><br />Amen and amen! Couldn't have said any of that any better! How many times have we heard Steve Gaines (and many others) claim all of those things?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-73821419364933709952014-02-17T09:04:37.500-06:002014-02-17T09:04:37.500-06:00It was the Church of God denomination. I understan...It was the Church of God denomination. I understand your point. My point is, he could have taken close to $50,000 from the church in salary. He worked a second job for 23 years so he didn't have to.<br /><br />But the point remains regarding the tithe doctrine. It has become so ingrained that it has almost become a truism.Juniusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-35448535051821280432014-02-17T07:44:49.582-06:002014-02-17T07:44:49.582-06:00"My father pastored a small church for 23 yea..."My father pastored a small church for 23 years and always drilled the doctrine of tithing but he certainly was not doing it for personal gain. His maximum salary over those 23 years was $26,000 which was about $20,000 under the denomination's pay scale for the church's membership numbers. He held a full time job outside of pastoring to serve as his main income so he could leave the church with more money for outreach and expansion."<br /><br />Which denomination is this? I want to work for them! My full time job today pays what your father was making working part time back then. I would say he gained personally from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-67295542896383030972014-02-17T00:15:33.257-06:002014-02-17T00:15:33.257-06:00Memphis Union Mission was mentioned earlier. I...Memphis Union Mission was mentioned earlier. I've no question theirs is a worthy cause, and I've given to them myself in the past. However, something about them (and not just them -- St. Jude is among the worst) annoys me to no end. You cannot give even one time without being placed on their mailing list, and you will be bombarded with frequent mailings begging for more money from then on. Try getting off their mailing list! No one responds to phone calls or e-mails, and the mailings just keep coming. I'd much rather see them take what they spend on all these color mailings and plow it back into the mission. The continued begging makes it appear they're not grateful for what they've already been given.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-57913055702998514242014-02-16T22:31:10.658-06:002014-02-16T22:31:10.658-06:00Thank you for writing about this topic. I think th...Thank you for writing about this topic. I think this tithe doctrine permeates the church of all types and sizes, not just the seeker-sensitive, hip churches such as NewSpring and Elevation who rake in millions each year. My father pastored a small church for 23 years and always drilled the doctrine of tithing but he certainly was not doing it for personal gain. His maximum salary over those 23 years was $26,000 which was about $20,000 under the denomination's pay scale for the church's membership numbers. He held a full time job outside of pastoring to serve as his main income so he could leave the church with more money for outreach and expansion. I think the tithe doctrine has been so ingrained that it is just rarely questioned or pondered, but the twisting of scripture that is going on by pastors and the lifestyles that the tithe is funding in the megachurches is really starting to become quite odious. The church has done a lousy job in sound exegsesis and scriptural training in its youth so I fear this situation will only continue. Juniusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-50360382788283614332014-02-16T19:55:08.881-06:002014-02-16T19:55:08.881-06:00But... but... but... Brother Steve says that doesn...But... but... but... Brother Steve says that doesn't count! You can give to those (IMO worthy) causes BUT only AFTER you give Steve 10% of your income in an undesignated fashion. If you designate it for a particular purpose, that doesn't count either. They (whoever "they" are) must have total control over how you... uh... "God's" money is spentNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-52187792884747892632014-02-16T17:33:39.432-06:002014-02-16T17:33:39.432-06:00I am not going to tithe 10%, rather I am giving to...I am not going to tithe 10%, rather I am giving to charities such as Memphis Union Mission and Calvary Rescue Mission. These folks are on the front lines, explaining the gospel and giving out food and shelter to the homeless and poor. I don;t relish giving my money to a million $ a year preacher who lives in a huge mansion, preaches on Sunday only and sends his wife and co-horts on expensive trips , first class plane fare, to stay at 5 Star hotels. I'll do this until the Holy Spirit prompts me to do otherwise. I will however give to BBC upcoming mission, as Steve can't touch this money (supposedly anyway).Holly Partonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-8258556379582534222014-02-16T08:10:16.882-06:002014-02-16T08:10:16.882-06:00We have some friends who go to BBC, and told us ab...We have some friends who go to BBC, and told us about the Prove the Tithe Sunday. They also said BBC has been doing this for many years. It was estimated that if the members gave regularly at that level, the BBC budget would go up to $35 million a year. During the last few years when Dr. Rogers was the Pastor, the annual budget was $25 million. I understand a few years ago the budget was reduced to $15 million, and they were having trouble making that!<br /><br />Back in the mid '90's, I heard a Pastor say the average SBC church member gave 2 to 2.5%, and keep in mind this was before the economic downturn at the end of that decade.<br /><br />It bothers me to see Pastors use guilt and pressure to get people to tithe. Also, do you tithe on the gross or net income?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com