tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post2889436035452377477..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: The Patient Still Needs AttentionNew BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger183125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-79402101772360667042007-02-15T18:59:00.000-06:002007-02-15T18:59:00.000-06:00The request clearly states:"so that we, as members...The request clearly states:<BR/><BR/>"so that we, as members of Bellevue Baptist Church, may communicate in an open, civil, and transparent manner with our fellow members regarding recent matters in the Church’s life."<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.congregationapproved.org/Members%20Request/Certified%20letters/letterclarification.htm" REL="nofollow">The Request</A> <BR/><BR/><BR/>The response is clearly misleading:<BR/><BR/>"You are apparently operating under the premise that a member of Bellevue for any or no reason has the right to obtain all records for the Church."<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.bellevue.org/templates/cusbellevue1103/details.asp?id=1360&PID=425518&Style=" REL="nofollow">The Response</A><BR/><BR/><BR/>From the investigative report:<BR/><BR/>"Bellevue Baptist Church initiated the current investigation, instructing the team to “leave no stone unturned” to reach the truth and to conduct the investigation in an independent, unbiased manner. Toward that end, outside counsel and an outside Human Resources consultant were retained, and the Investigative Team was created. David Coombs, who was asked to lead the team."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Questions:<BR/>Is this the same gentleman that reported information incorrectly to David Brown at the beginning of this investigation?<BR/><BR/>Is this the same gentleman that sifted thru pebbles while ignoring boulders?<BR/><BR/>Is this the same gentleman that treated a dear woman cruelly who told him that, “Pedophilia thrives in secrecy?<BR/><BR/>Is this the same gentleman that treated Josh Manning rudely?<BR/><BR/>Is this the same gentleman that told Josh Manning that he did not care what the Tennessee law said?<BR/><BR/>Correct me if I am mistaken, but is this the same gentleman that the church is planning to ordain to the ministry on February 25?<BR/><BR/>Surely this could not be the same gentleman.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-17345417641366298262007-02-15T18:06:00.000-06:002007-02-15T18:06:00.000-06:00THERE'S A NEW THREAD DEVOTED TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE...THERE'S A NEW THREAD DEVOTED TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PASTOR'S LETTERS IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE UP!<BR/><BR/>Thank you,<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-51697163119122811372007-02-15T17:29:00.000-06:002007-02-15T17:29:00.000-06:00Custos,I know you keep up with the blog as much as...Custos,<BR/><BR/>I know you keep up with the blog as much as you can. If you are out there, could you please respond to the reasons Coombs gave for denying documents? <BR/><BR/>The letter is now on Bellevue's website.<BR/><BR/>How can they say this is not in "good faith" when the law was made,I presume, so members could "check" on what is going on behind closed doors? It could only benefit them if all is well, could it not?<BR/><BR/>Do they already know that the findings would cause "more disharmony" because of what is there?Piglethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624016747723631809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-80290560623759845112007-02-15T17:23:00.000-06:002007-02-15T17:23:00.000-06:00sleeplessatbbc said:IF...David Coombs is working o...sleeplessatbbc said:<BR/><BR/>IF...David Coombs is working on new by-laws the church certainly needs to be able to review them in their entirety in plenty of time before a "railroaded" congreationally approved meeting.<BR/><BR/>SOTL says:<BR/><BR/>NOT gonna hold her breath!!!sickofthelieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05746279905491875721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-9633938028861456712007-02-15T17:05:00.000-06:002007-02-15T17:05:00.000-06:00Aslansown, Looks like you and I had the same idea....Aslansown, Looks like you and I had the same idea.sheeplessatbbchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977079161162773097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-81166663997681262032007-02-15T17:03:00.000-06:002007-02-15T17:03:00.000-06:00Mike Bratton said... If you're looking for more-di...Mike Bratton said... <BR/>If you're looking for more-direct communication with Bellevue, you can try this:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Mike, thanks for the information.<BR/><BR/>Everyone, this is Bellevue.org the "Administrative Pastors" page,<BR/>1. Letter to the church dated 2/14/07<BR/>2. Response to members requesting records, February 9, 2007...(pay close attention to 3rd page, when did we approve these things??!!) <BR/><BR/>senioralpha & finance guy, you're absolutely right!! <BR/>IF...David Coombs is working on new by-laws the church certainly needs to be able to review them in their entirety in plenty of time before a "railroaded" congreationally approved meeting.<BR/><BR/>**It would be nice to see a set of the current by-laws with all ammendments**sheeplessatbbchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977079161162773097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-19051155068730963402007-02-15T16:58:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:58:00.000-06:00Folks, You realy need to follow MB's link in his a...Folks, You <I>realy</I> need to follow MB's link in his above post. You will find a new web page on Bellevue's website that will shed a lot of light on what we have been talking about here, especially FINANCEGUY'S statement regarding the reformulation of Bellevue's rules of governance.<BR/><BR/>At first reading it would appear that we have "more of the same" including membership in the coveted committee on formulating the rules. GO see for yourself.<BR/><BR/>Mike,<BR/>Did you post this so as to illuminate us? If so, thanks.aslansownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11266040907716618299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-20677853541495399952007-02-15T16:55:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:55:00.000-06:00sickofthelies said... ANYONE that thinks that DC i...sickofthelies said... <BR/><I>ANYONE that thinks that DC is working on bylaws so that we can be open and transparent has been smokin somethin.</I><BR/><BR/>You mean drinking some-bodies kool-aid!Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-52923883017315074912007-02-15T16:52:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:52:00.000-06:00trollcakes wrote:"Nobody here wants a bevy of deac...trollcakes wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"Nobody here wants a bevy of deacons, dressed like morticians, jumping their (little) fence for a smattering of spontaneous 'fellowship.' You don't think people here have any call to fear some downward pressure from the big guns at BBC, eh?"</I><BR/><BR/>Sad but true, I suspect. Out of the mouths of "boo dists"...New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-5291295000656443192007-02-15T16:50:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:50:00.000-06:00lin, MB worked at LWF. That's why he said Dr. Roge...lin, <BR/>MB worked at LWF. That's why he said Dr. Rogers was his boss.Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-49555483316205711792007-02-15T16:48:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:48:00.000-06:00Mike, And yet another example.Mike, If you are goi...Mike, <BR/><I>And yet another example.</I><BR/><BR/>Mike, <BR/>If you are going to assign motives to people, you really shouldn't be surprised when others do it to you. <BR/><BR/>And your communications to people today have in fact been illogical and unkind. For instance, let me use your last comment to ezekiel. <BR/><BR/><I>You're aware, are you not, that there are poor souls out there who thought it would be great fun to do bodily harm to Pastor Rogers?<BR/><BR/>Do you think that mindset has gone away?</I><BR/><BR/>This is illogical for two reasons. First, there no way anyone can do bodily harm to Dr. Rogers, for obvious reasons. <BR/><BR/>Second, If you are referring to Dr. Gaines, (Which I have to assume that you are), it’s illogical because Dr. Gaines speaking engagements are publicized far and wide by the organizers of those conferences yet you defend the churches decision not to make the same communication to it’s members, who have every right to know that the man they hired to be their pastor is not “going to be at work next Sunday”. <BR/><BR/><BR/><I>You must have missed my post earlier this morning. You just want to argue...enjoy yourself...by yourself. Argue with Macarthur all you want. <BR/><BR/>Another example of either clairvoyance or attempted character assassination.</I><BR/><BR/>This is illogical and unkind. <BR/>First, you prove the point about how you just want to argue. Second, it’s unkind (obviously you don’t really think he’s clairvoyant, and to suggest he dabbles in the occult actually is character assassination on your part). All ezekiel is doing is pointing out your observed behavior. <BR/><BR/>Third, it’s illogical because it’s not “attempted character assignation”. An example of character assassination would be “Mike Bratton is the 21st Century reincarnation of the High Priest Ciaphas”. Pointing out what you flaunt before the world, that you like to argue, is hardly character assassination. In fact, it appears to be something you are rather proud of.<BR/> <BR/>You accusing him of this is another attempt to deflect from the real issues, which is something else your behavior on here communicates as your intent. <BR/><BR/>Now, go ahead and make fun of some spelling or grammatical mistake I may have made. It’s very interesting to me how you focus laser-like on such minutia, and completely ignore the substance of the serious issues people raise on here. And then you go run and “play the victim” like some post modern liberal.Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-88059689126643256402007-02-15T16:43:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:43:00.000-06:00BePatient: I must address your post of 3:07. I hav...BePatient: I must address your post of 3:07. I have read every post since mid-December and my recollection in all these cases was an "I've heard this; does anyone know anything?" Especially in the case of CT, it VERY MUCH was a question. My understanding of gossip is when something is presented as fact that in fact is not, or is a guess, or can't be substantiated. My experience with this blog is that questions have been asked, answered have been found, and we move on. I don't recall in any of the mentioned cases as it being presented as fact, just as a "Do you think?" or "Have you heard anything?" etc. This blog has to some extent become our location to try to get some information (it doesn't seem to come from anywhere else). And honestly, most of what has come out has either been true or has been proven later to be true.concernedSBCerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07725854858594901438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-9104313846968148022007-02-15T16:33:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:33:00.000-06:00New BBC motto?"Move along now; there's nothing to ...New BBC motto?<BR/><BR/>"Move along now; there's nothing to see here."<BR/><BR/>Bratton, why do you harp on these peoples anonymity so much? A "reporter" should know that anonymity is as old as the age, and has been employed for many purposes--yet usually to veil the identity of one whom would otherwise feel coerced, badgered and subject to backlash by the wealthy, powerful or simply the impetuous--haha(not naming names).<BR/><BR/>Nobody here wants a bevy of deacons, dressed like morticians, jumping their (little) fence for a smattering of spontaneous "fellowship." You don't think people here have any call to fear some downward pressure from the big guns at BBC, eh? <BR/><BR/>No, I cannot really think of anybody who ever experienced a negative consequence to their life stemming from the expression of dissent to the leadership of Bellevue. <BR/><BR/>Read my lips--would-never-happen-in-a-million-years.David Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558679145059858491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-71791420536591142362007-02-15T16:30:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:30:00.000-06:00Bratton: "Just for the record, a number of you "re...Bratton: "Just for the record, a number of you "regulars" here agree that God hates David Coombs, Larry Ray, Phil Weatherwax, Steve Marcum, Mark Dougharty, Steve Tucker, and Steve Gaines."<BR/><BR/>Where was this said? Point to the sentence that said, "God hates (insert name here)"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Bratton: "As has been previously noted, and is easily discovered by reading my website, I hardly "exalt" Pastor Gaines. Then again, I didn't "exalt" Pastor Rogers, even though he was my boss and my friend."<BR/><BR/>Are you an employee of BBC now?<BR/><BR/><BR/>When scripture is misquoted I have to step in and contend for the truth. Please see Ephesians below. In chapter 1, Paul tells us who he is writing to...The church in Ephesus:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ephesians 1<BR/> 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, <BR/> To the saints in Ephesus,[a] the faithful[b] in Christ Jesus: <BR/><BR/><BR/>Now, In Chapter 5 it is important to note verses 1-3. He is addressing the church and even makes it clear he is speaking to the church in verse 3. Read it closely.<BR/><BR/>Ephesians 5<BR/> 1Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. <BR/> 3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. <BR/><BR/>He is telling them in verse 4 that even a hint of immoral behavior is wrong for Holiness. Why? Keep in mind that Paul was at this church teaching for 3 years! He knew what their culture was like. He penned this Epistle from Prison. <BR/><BR/>He is talking directly to the professing Christians in the church at Ephesus. Why would he need to do that? Because these were Gentiles in Greek culture where rampant immorality was natural and a way of life. Most had mistresses, concubines, and worshipped idols when they converted. <BR/><BR/>4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. <BR/>5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.<BR/><BR/>..For this you can be sure.. is also a translated in the NASB as "For this you know with certainty". These words are present tense and are the same as a 'command' in the Greek. If you go back to Eph 2: 2-3 this will be clearer why he is writing this.<BR/><BR/> 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. <BR/><BR/>7Therefore do not be partners with them. <BR/><BR/>Why would he need to tell believers not to fellowship with these people? They had been under his teaching for 3 years. They had also been taught by Priscilla and Aquila and even Apollos (which did not work out so well)<BR/><BR/> 8For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10and find out what pleases the Lord. 11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.<BR/> 12For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14for it is light that makes everything visible.<BR/><BR/>Now, how do you expose the evil deeds of the the world? One does not have to..it is obvious to a believer..idol worship, concubines, etc in Greek culture. But, you can expose to light unfruitful deeds of darkness by believers in the church. Expose is the pivotal word here. We know that Paul told the Corinthians not to judge the world...not to worry about what the world does. We are not to judge now because we will judge in the end. But, we are to expose evil in the church. Paul does not contradict himself.<BR/><BR/>" This is why it is said: <BR/> "Wake up, O sleeper, <BR/> rise from the dead, <BR/> and Christ will shine on you." <BR/> 15Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is."<BR/><BR/>Foolish in this verse is the Greek 'aphron' which connotates a a person in Greco-Roman society who had lost the correct measure of himself and the world around him. <BR/><BR/>But even more important is his exhortation to understand the will of God. The meaning "Understanding the will of the Lord", is virtually identical to Paul's earlier charge for believers to walk "trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord' (See note Ephesians 5:10) The subsequent verses explain God's will includes believers being filled with His Spirit, being thankful, submitting to one another, being loving husbands, being obedient children, being disciplining fathers, being obedient slaves and being non-threatening masters. The point is that God's will is best discerned from God's Word.<BR/><BR/>"18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."<BR/><BR/>The lure of all the drunken Greek festivals was great to the Ephesians.<BR/><BR/>" 19Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, 20always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ."<BR/><BR/>This is a plea of sorts to fellowship and worship with ONE another instead of fesitivals and wine. That is, in letting each other know of their joy in salvation, they are to do so in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs. They are to find expression to the Spirit-filled life in this way. <BR/><BR/><BR/> I'll end it there. But this Epistle is definitly written to believers who were being warned about bad behavior..Why? IF this was written about unbelievers, then Paul's words in 1 Corinthians are contradicted in Ephesians.<BR/><BR/>1 Corinthians 5<BR/><BR/>9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. <BR/><BR/> 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."[b]<BR/><BR/>There are NO contradictions in scripture.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-37098293761998165932007-02-15T16:24:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:24:00.000-06:00Ezekiel said,"I am trying so hard to get everyone ...Ezekiel said,<BR/><BR/>"I am trying so hard to get everyone to understand that the "Bible" is Jesus.....The Bible is the WORD and the Word is Jesus.<BR/><BR/>So when you say "love the Bible" I would prefer "love the WORD". (John 1)Yes, I do so much love Him and I work hard to get to know Him and Abide in Him.<BR/><BR/>Without a personal, daily relationship with the WORD, how can we say "I am saved, He abides in me"?" <BR/><BR/>2:24 PM, February 15, 2007 <BR/>*****<BR/><BR/>My brother, Ezekiel,<BR/> <BR/>I am so glad you love the WORD like you do. I so appreciate the way you daily choose to share with us very pertinent scripture from the beautiful Word of God. <BR/><BR/>"For the word of God is living, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12<BR/><BR/>Yes, I do know EXACTLY where you are coming from, Ezekiel. You are so precious to Him.<BR/><BR/>Dee2006huldahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01397738388665337376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-3372405300013890392007-02-15T16:17:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:17:00.000-06:00mike bratton wrote:"Just for the record, a number ...mike bratton wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"Just for the record, a number of you "regulars" here agree that God hates David Coombs, Larry Ray, Phil Weatherwax, Steve Marcum, Mark Dougharty, Steve Tucker, and Steve Gaines"</I><BR/><BR/>How stupid do you think we are? To quote someone from days gone by, don't put words in my mouth.<BR/><BR/>Why can't you simply discuss something or just present your views without trying to pick a fight with everyone here? Either cut the crap (there, I didn't censor it this time) or I will delete your comments. It's up to you.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-23693133455517177502007-02-15T16:13:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:13:00.000-06:00ANYONE that thinks that DC is working on bylaws so...ANYONE that thinks that DC is working on bylaws so that we can be open and transparent has been smokin somethin.sickofthelieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05746279905491875721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-46514692761300850822007-02-15T16:12:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:12:00.000-06:00Whew, There are some hostile folks on here today ...Whew, <BR/> There are some hostile folks on here today - Is it a full moon? Mikie and fellow gainers - calm down a bit! You are going off the deep end. <BR/><BR/>And I don't need a "she started it"..."did not"..."did too"...<BR/><BR/>Git A Grip Children!!!MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-4669156887933747282007-02-15T16:11:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:11:00.000-06:00ezekiel said... Mike,You must have missed my post ...<I>ezekiel said... <BR/>Mike,<BR/><BR/>You must have missed my post earlier this morning. You just want to argue...enjoy yourself...by yourself. Argue with MacAurther all you want. </I><BR/><BR/>Another example of either clairvoyance or attempted character assassination.<BR/><BR/>You asked for an answer, complained that you didn't get one, you got one, and then you responded with an unfortunate remark because you got an answer.<BR/><BR/><I>Finance Guy said... <BR/><BR/>Hey guys, <BR/>I got something else we can talk about besides how bizarre and irrational Mike Bratton is. <BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Mike Bratton is trying to get on this committee. This could explain his sudden reappearance on the blog, and his unkind and illogical attacks on the "pew", as designed to help his credibility with the "pulpit". </I><BR/><BR/>And yet another example.<BR/><BR/>--MikeMike Brattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13145152348285384619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-38220327810800770042007-02-15T16:09:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:09:00.000-06:00NASS,I almost considered not adding that one, but ...NASS,<BR/><BR/>I almost considered not adding that one, but I only did because I wanted to not be biased- that gossip came from "our" side and was quickly accepted as fact.<BR/><BR/>And Piglet, <BR/><BR/>I did meant to clarify in that post about CT DID contain that phrase, but I got distracted! But even with that, it quickly took on a life on it's own even after it was corrected.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01867337846220103344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-90315654735699879232007-02-15T16:07:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:07:00.000-06:00alphaseniorI would implore any member with suffici...alphasenior<BR/><I>I would implore any member with sufficient influence to make sure the product of this bylaw committee is published to the membership for review and understanding prior to any business meeting.</I><BR/><BR/>Let me add this. Anytime a committee opens up it's product (communications committee, budget committee, personnel committee vis-à-vis PW situation) to the congregation for comments, it’s usually in a small room, in small groups, and make no mistake, it’s not open for any changes. It’s only so the committee chairman can “explain” himself. It wouldn’t matter if 500 people showed up and demanded a change. They would just be told to “like it or leave”. This has been true for years. <BR/><BR/>I can only speculate as to why they would only discuss these in small, private encounters. In my opinion, in order for a bylaws committee to have any credibility, the church leadership is going to have to find a way to engage the church body in a significant way. I would suggest doing things as I understand how Germantown Baptist did the pulpit committee. Have a church business meeting, and accept nominations from the floor for members of a bylaws committee. This committee cannot be dominated by the same 10-20 people that have dominated like committees for years. There then needs to be a series of business meetings where this committee brings drafts to the congregation for comment, and then goes back into working sessions.<BR/><BR/>In no case can a secret, appointed committee bring us a document, put pressure on us that they have “done the Lord’s work”, and then ask for a sign of acceptance by “amens”, now let’s hold hands and sing “sweet-sweet spirit”. That’s tantamount to dictatorial, legalistic rule. <BR/><BR/>If Bellevue does not stand up and demand openness and accountability, that is exactly how it will go down. <BR/><BR/>Why are they so afraid of us?Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-85169436818784396902007-02-15T16:04:00.000-06:002007-02-15T16:04:00.000-06:00Piglet said... Mike Bratton saidJust for the recor...<I>Piglet said... <BR/>Mike Bratton said<BR/><BR/>Just for the record, a number of you "regulars" here agree that God hates David Coombs, Larry Ray, Phil Weatherwax, Steve Marcum, Mark Dougharty, Steve Tucker, and Steve Gaines<BR/><BR/>Piglet says:<BR/><BR/>I don't think you are really this niave,but I believe the scripture states that the Lord hates these sins regardless of WHO commits them.<BR/><BR/>I doubt any of these guys gets a free pass.. </I><BR/><BR/>Scroll back up.<BR/><BR/>You're correct in what the Scripture says, but the post in question made the observation that the sins were equated with the individuals named. <BR/><BR/>The post stated that God hates those individuals.<BR/><BR/>Did I just hear a pin drop?<BR/><BR/>--MikeMike Brattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13145152348285384619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-13315554622718239462007-02-15T15:58:00.001-06:002007-02-15T15:58:00.001-06:00If you're looking for more-direct communication wi...If you're looking for more-direct communication with Bellevue, you can try this:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.bellevue.org/adminpastor" REL="nofollow">Send Belated Valentines To David Coombs</A> <BR/><BR/>Well, I took a little poetic license with the title, but it's a new way to communicate your concerns.<BR/><BR/>--MikeMike Brattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13145152348285384619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-49663906283896091452007-02-15T15:58:00.000-06:002007-02-15T15:58:00.000-06:00Mike BrattonAnd no, I'm not referring to traffic t...Mike Bratton<BR/><BR/>And no, I'm not referring to traffic tickets. :)Piglethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624016747723631809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-13112366897111984722007-02-15T15:55:00.000-06:002007-02-15T15:55:00.000-06:00i love bbc saidMaybe if DC is working on new bylaw...i love bbc said<BR/><BR/>Maybe if DC is working on new bylaws we could wait and see them before we criticize. It might be something we'd all be pleased with. <BR/><BR/>Piglet says:<BR/><BR/>I would hope so, but this same man signed a letter denying requested documents to the church members. He apparently feels that these issues are none of our business.<BR/><BR/>What will he do with the court order that is coming?<BR/><BR/>I hope our bylaws include a stipulation that willfully disobeying the law disqualifies one from holding a position in the church.Piglethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624016747723631809noreply@blogger.com