tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post116837542245210869..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Deny, Deny, Deny!New BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger637125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168660680894112482007-01-12T21:58:00.000-06:002007-01-12T21:58:00.000-06:00ATTENTION!!!A NEW THREAD HAS BEEN STARTED WHERE YO...ATTENTION!!!<BR/><BR/>A NEW THREAD HAS BEEN STARTED WHERE YOU CAN CONTINUE ALL THIS.<BR/><BR/>Thank you,<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168628942235292542007-01-12T13:09:00.000-06:002007-01-12T13:09:00.000-06:00Okay I have a few things to say. 1. I am tired of ...Okay I have a few things to say. <BR/><BR/>1. I am tired of the "defenders" being accused of being the hateful ones. It is evenly spread out on both sides. Neither side is more hateful than the other, and the fact is this- I can think of 5 of us that post regularly these days that would truly be labeled "pro-SG"(there may have been more before but I am just speaking to what I know) ME, Memphis, Ace, maybejustmaybe, and 4545. <BR/><BR/>Find me evidence of how we are being hateful and we can talk. <BR/><BR/>2. I am also tired of hearing that this blog is the only voice that was available. Do none of you have telephones, or a pen and paper? Many churches have been through situations like this and didn't need the internet to do it. This is the forum you chose and so be it, but it is unfair to say it was the "only" option. There was a time before the internet, and if God wanted this to happen he would have helped you find a way.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01867337846220103344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168627715713103372007-01-12T12:48:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:48:00.000-06:00swtt said- The amount of money Bellevue spent on r...swtt said- The amount of money Bellevue spent on restaurants last year is incredible and abusive. <BR/><BR/><BR/>REPLY- Care to be more specific and give some facts? What restaurants, how much etc? I sure hope you are talking more than the times Dr. Gaines took someone or a group out to eat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168627342749647992007-01-12T12:42:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:42:00.000-06:00OOps, that's www.geftakysassembly.com/Articles/Per...OOps, that's www.geftakysassembly.com/Articles/Perspectives/TheInnerRing.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168626933772967202007-01-12T12:35:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:35:00.000-06:00Dear brothers and sisters, please consider reading...Dear brothers and sisters, please consider reading what C.S. Lewis had to say about "The Inner Ring"<BR/>www.geftakysassembly.com/Articles/Perspectives/TheInnerRing.htm<BR/>Heb.13:13,.14 Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured. For here we have no lasting city,but we seek the city that is to come. May the Lord use evil for good, and bring the church to humility in our time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168626505071704922007-01-12T12:28:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:28:00.000-06:00(offline until later)(offline until later)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168626436751064372007-01-12T12:27:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:27:00.000-06:00Mom4Thanks for your post.I know you are praying. T...Mom4<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your post.<BR/><BR/>I know you are praying. This is an intense spiritual battle. And it's only going to heat up. We need to be adorned with the full armor of God.<BR/><BR/>If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.<BR/><BR/>Romans 13:12<BR/><BR/>"The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168626309287509382007-01-12T12:25:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:25:00.000-06:00swtt, do you not have the numbers?? I do not under...swtt, do you not have the numbers?? I do not understnad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168625845175421472007-01-12T12:17:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:17:00.000-06:00Memphis,Sorry I don't have a copy I can give you. ...Memphis,<BR/>Sorry I don't have a copy I can give you. I would suggest going by Mark Dougharty or David Coomb's office. They can tell you where to pick up the information. If that doesn't work out, contact anyone on the Finance Committee. They can help you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168625526461786072007-01-12T12:12:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:12:00.000-06:00Telos, Thank you for your post. It is a dark da...Telos, <BR/> Thank you for your post. It is a dark day at Bellevue and possibly even darker for all of the other churches embroiled in similar events in their respective congregations. The flagship of the SBC is under attack and if we who stand for the ethical and Biblical standards that are far removed from society these days do not make a stand, who will? The leadership has forced many of us from our church home and each and every one is experiencing spiritual pain and grief. It is a abhorrent situation when the widow of Dr Adrian Rogers cannot sit in a service, welcomed and honored as her place should be. The division and degredation at Bellevue can be laid at the feet of Steve Gaines. I know there are others involved in his predetermined actions, however I agree that the blame should be his alone, for he is the person that has been placed to protect the church and its' reputation. Steve Gaines' sole goal is Steve Gaines. He has failed to protect the church from shame and scandal and for that he shall answer to Almighty God.MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168625317028633442007-01-12T12:08:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:08:00.000-06:00swtt, do you have the numbers for the restaraunt c...swtt, do you have the numbers for the restaraunt charges at BBC. I do not have a copy of the annual report. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168625048005060852007-01-12T12:04:00.000-06:002007-01-12T12:04:00.000-06:00swtt,Amenema,you have mail : )swtt,<BR/><BR/>Amen<BR/><BR/><BR/>ema,<BR/><BR/>you have mail : )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168622899313186952007-01-12T11:28:00.000-06:002007-01-12T11:28:00.000-06:00Telos,Thank you for your post.This blog is the las...Telos,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your post.<BR/>This blog is the last place anyone I know wants to be, but it has been a way for members to discuss the issues since the leadership refused to discuss them.<BR/>This whole thing is ugly but to stand by and let wrong go on inside the church is something that is worse than ugly.<BR/>I pray for the day when we can come together again as Brothers and Sisters in Christ and love each other and fellowship again with each other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168622818163567732007-01-12T11:26:00.000-06:002007-01-12T11:26:00.000-06:00telos:That was a beautiful post...so well said and...telos:<BR/><BR/>That was a beautiful post...so well said and exactly what needs to be said.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your insight and wisdom!<BR/><BR/>God Bless You.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168621616268665102007-01-12T11:06:00.000-06:002007-01-12T11:06:00.000-06:00TN Baptist - in reponse to your 9:25 post.How can ...TN Baptist - in reponse to your 9:25 post.<BR/><BR/>How can one come in peace and call people fools?<BR/><BR/>I agree that this blog is terrible. So much here is so distasteful. It is, after all, a reflection of man.<BR/><BR/>As ugly as this blog is, one needs to consider that it is an alternative building for those who have been shut out. It is a place to express thoughts, pray, share scripture, and ultimately get to the truth. Although this place is ugly, many would rather do this behind the walls at Bellevue. Yes, we look foolish?<BR/><BR/>No one will deny that there is a need for prayer; Incidentally, there is much scripture throughout this blog. Curiously, those in need of ministering are left here to protest despite, letters, emails and phone calls to sit and discuss in a "Matthew like" fashion. Let me ask you this - how does a man stand behind the pulpit and skew the truth and then threaten destruction to those who might question his sin? We are asked to forgive? We are reminded of God's grace. We are reminded of His mercy. In short, we are reminded of grace, mercy and forgiveness when it comes to the sins of the administration but we are also are reminded of the consequences of sin if we protest. And I quote the pulpit, "Look at me, they will soon be destroyed."<BR/><BR/>I am a sinner. I am ugly beyond reproach. I understand that the mercy I extend will be equal to the mercy I receive. However, may I suggest that I am not talking about misleading in casual conversation - Although, this is not acceptable either. I am talking about having people pray over you, I am talking about a person who is to be anointed with His Holy Love and Grace, I am talking about a man who has been chosen to stand in front of his brethren, a man who chose to take a path of deception over a path of truth. I am sorry, I find this unacceptable. I nervously defend the idea that the pulpit is a place for a man better than myself for I also fall short. The pulpit is a place to glorify God, it is not a place to hide sin. It is a sacred place to equip His Kingdom and it is not a place to protect our temporal positions.<BR/><BR/>If you choose to belittle the blog and those on it - so be it. However, show some compassion to those who lost their home. Show some consideration for those who have taken the appropriate steps to discuss and have been turned away. Pray for Sister Pam whose years of Christian service have been rewarded with alienation and indifference. Pray for Mrs. Rogers who quietly works through the loss of her husband and her church, while she digests the idea that this same church will dangle her husbands integrity with no clarification per her request. Pray for the children who are being modeled this form of Christian character when they come to worship. Pray for the children who will forever remember their early years at the church as a place where people cant get along. Dont blame the blog, rather petition the leadership. <BR/><BR/>In short, please dont call people foolish. Thank you for taking the time to listen to my position. Thank you for your prayers. May those who see fit, kindly rebuke me where I have gone wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168620967971090202007-01-12T10:56:00.000-06:002007-01-12T10:56:00.000-06:00Regarding tithing - If it were not for the IRS or ...Regarding tithing - If it were not for the IRS or pride, why record who gives what? If I tithe and give offerings without an official record to prove I've given, I have still worshipped if my heart is right before God and man. If my heart is not right before God and man, then it does not matter what is recorded where by whomever, I have not tithed or worshipped, I have made a tax-deductible donation. This issue minus the IRS, pride, distrust, and arrogance equals a moot issue!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168620502628339482007-01-12T10:48:00.000-06:002007-01-12T10:48:00.000-06:00bible-in-a-year said:"Well, frequently, such a per...bible-in-a-year said:<BR/><BR/>"Well, frequently, such a person will have a "straw that broke the camel's back" moment. They will finally read something that motivates them to create a user account and login and type something and hit the send button."<BR/><BR/>My "straw that broke the camel's back moment" is actually many straws, but really started with the posting on the saving bellevue site and then the immediate removal of things that were harmful to christians in general. When the masked guys giving the "heil hitler salute" was posted and removed and that was equated to the deacons at Bellevue... well that was too much for me to bear. When people come to me with "facts" from the blog that are not what I would consider facts(see my dictionary post) well, then I think it's time to bring some accountability.<BR/><BR/>"I give you for example anybody who would name themself "heardenuf"."<BR/><BR/>From my standpoint, choosing a name like "luvmybellevue" or a scripture reference(I hope that name doesn't exist!) and then posting untruths or half truths would be like putting a "honk if you love Jesus" sticker on my car and then being angry at people when they honk!<BR/><BR/>"(This is not meant to cast aspersions on heardenuf. I like the name.)"<BR/>Thank you... hadenough and heardenough were taken at Yahoo.com<BR/><BR/>"The problem is that frequently a newbie's first post will be a flame."<BR/><BR/>I hope that I haven't "flamed" anyone by asking for full disclosure of "facts" posted for all to read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168619842288543252007-01-12T10:37:00.000-06:002007-01-12T10:37:00.000-06:00swtt said:"Facts may hurt but they are not hateful...swtt said:<BR/><BR/>"Facts may hurt but they are not hateful."<BR/><BR/>I will agree with that. I am not afraid of the facts coming out but speculation should not be part of facts. Speculation/insenuation/innuendo/exaggeration can be harmful and perceived to be hateful.<BR/><BR/>I am not against anyone's opinion regarding Steve Gaine's, but I do think that this blog needs some level of accountability for what is posted for the world to see.<BR/><BR/>Here's some definitions so we can all be on the same page:<BR/> <BR/>fact <BR/>–noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. <BR/>2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. <BR/>3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. <BR/>4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable. <BR/>5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. <BR/><BR/>innuendo<BR/>1. an indirect intimation about a person or thing, esp. of a disparaging or a derogatory nature. <BR/>2. Law. a. a parenthetic explanation or specification in a pleading. <BR/>b. (in an action for slander or libel) the explanation and elucidation of the words alleged to be defamatory. <BR/>c. the word or expression thus explained. <BR/> <BR/>in·sin·u·a·tion <BR/>–noun 1. an indirect or covert suggestion or hint, esp. of a derogatory nature: She made nasty insinuations about her rivals. <BR/>2. covert or artful suggestion or hinting, as of something implied: His methods of insinuation are most ingenious. <BR/>3. subtle or artful instillment into the mind. <BR/>4. the art or power of stealing into the affections and pleasing; ingratiation: He made his way by flattery and insinuation. <BR/>5. Archaic. a slow winding, worming, or stealing in. <BR/>6. Obsolete. an ingratiating act or speech<BR/><BR/>ex·ag·ger·ate (ĭg-zāj'ə-rāt') <BR/>To represent as greater than is actually the case; overstate: exaggerate the size of the enemy force; exaggerated his own role in the episode. <BR/>To enlarge or increase to an abnormal degree: thick lenses that exaggerated the size of her eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168619259960237652007-01-12T10:27:00.001-06:002007-01-12T10:27:00.001-06:00Please read this before responding to TenesseeBapt...Please read this before responding to TenesseeBaptist.<BR/><BR/><BR/>(TB: welcome to this board, in the name of Jesus Christ).<BR/><BR/><BR/>Everyone please take some advice from someone (me) who has been a member of internet group discussions for multiple years and has observed some of their strong and weak points as communication tools.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>"Flame"</B> defined as a written message sent through the internet which undeniably demonstrates strong negative emotion. The Bible warns us: in your anger do not sin.<BR/><BR/><BR/>On radio talk shows there is the "long-time listener, first-time caller". On the internet these people get the term <B>newbie</B>. This is a person who has been "lurking" (that is not a negative term at all, it is a wise thing to do, the longer the better actually). After lurking they have built up their perspective on things. Then they keep saying "one of these days I will login and say what I'm thinking."<BR/><BR/>Well, frequently, such a person will have a "straw that broke the camel's back" moment. They will finally read something that motivates them to create a user account and login and type something and hit the send button.<BR/><BR/>I give you for example anybody who would name themself "heardenuf".<BR/><BR/>(This is not meant to cast aspersions on heardenuf. I like the name.)<BR/><BR/>The problem is that frequently a newbie's first post will be a flame.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>In internet group discussions like this, please always be gentle to the visitors. They frequently will unload hours/days/weeks/ worth of opinions into the first post they make.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The forum does not need to be tossed about on the waves by the moods of any lurker that happens to post.<BR/><BR/>In fact there can be a group of lurking newbies that all flame together.<BR/><BR/>That is, several lurkers, totally unaware of each other will respond to the same "straw that broke the camel's back" item.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Or there can be a "cascade effect."<BR/><BR/>Several lurker's of contrasting viewpoints will be watching. One will have a "straw that broke the camel's back" moment and come on the board and flame everyone "because apples are the best fruit in the world and I'm not going to sit here and watch you ruin the reputation of apples and apple eaters and apple farmers."<BR/><BR/>But the strength of the flame becomes.... ready for this?... it becomes ***its own*** "straw that broke the camel's back" for some Florida lurkers who then feel the need to step up to the plate and tell the whole world "Oranges have vitamin C. Therefore apples are NOT the best fruit in the world."<BR/><BR/>Anyway, hope this explains to you several things that have been happening here over the months.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Happy blogging!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168618398650062552007-01-12T10:13:00.000-06:002007-01-12T10:13:00.000-06:00Oops that should have read "just the restaurant c...Oops that should have read "just the restaurant charges" not "just the lunches" I need to re-read old posts before posting!<BR/><BR/>swtt said:<BR/>heardnuf,<BR/><BR/>"Go look at the annual finance report." <BR/><BR/>I've seen it, but your statement was that it was an "incredible amount". I think those that read in passing should know the amount if you know it. "Just the lunches mind you,not all of the expenses." <BR/><BR/>10:10 AM, January 12, 2007Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168618257723563622007-01-12T10:10:00.000-06:002007-01-12T10:10:00.000-06:00swtt said:heardnuf,"Go look at the annual finance ...swtt said:<BR/>heardnuf,<BR/><BR/>"Go look at the annual finance report." <BR/><BR/>I've seen it, but your statement was that it was an "incredible amount". I think those that read in passing should know the amount if you know it. Just the lunches mind you,not all of the expenses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168617675341509962007-01-12T10:01:00.000-06:002007-01-12T10:01:00.000-06:00juGeneral announcement and disclaimer **especially...juGeneral announcement and disclaimer **especially to anybody who is "new" on this board.**<BR/><BR/><BR/>My goal in coming here is to help my brothers and sisters in Christ worship God and fulfill the Great Commission.<BR/><BR/>And I have said before and I will say again...<BR/>What we need at BBC/SBC/all the denominations in 2007 is:<BR/><BR/>a major revival.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't mean one of those "revival in a box" things that can be bought at the book store complete with powerpoint, bookmarks, handouts, study guides, etc.<BR/><BR/>I'm not casting aspersions on those materials. Those have helped many churches for many years.<BR/><BR/>What I'm saying is we need **more** than that.<BR/><BR/>We need something like in the book of Acts and they prayed and the **ground quaked**.<BR/><BR/>I believe that so many of us are so far away from where God wants us Christians to be that if we think the solution is to get rid of our leaders and get new (human) leaders we will simply find ourself in the same/worse problem with fewer members (a loss of the people who like the previous --mortal--leaders).<BR/><BR/>What we all need to do is to get rid of our current desire to follow our own desires and get back to following God.<BR/><BR/>This is not to cast aspersions on any current leaders any where. Leadership is a difficult task.<BR/><BR/>It is not the leaders' fault that us sheep have gotten so off course. <BR/><BR/>I believe that BBC is big enough to start a revival in the SBC. I believe the SBC is big enough to start a revival with protestants, etc.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Thank you for your attention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168617487317802062007-01-12T09:58:00.000-06:002007-01-12T09:58:00.000-06:00Please Tie this thread....My computer is grinding ...Please Tie this thread....My computer is grinding to a halt trying to pull it up...<BR/>ThanksLwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873087822830025416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168617421059860262007-01-12T09:57:00.000-06:002007-01-12T09:57:00.000-06:00"The annual cost of restaurant charges at Bellevue..."The annual cost of restaurant charges at Bellevue is incredible."<BR/><BR/>Would you mind sharing how much it is? I'm sure many would like to know the "incredible" $ amount you suggest. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I would also like to know the number in question please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168617138985120852007-01-12T09:52:00.000-06:002007-01-12T09:52:00.000-06:00tennesseebaptist,your comment, "All I read here a...tennesseebaptist,<BR/><BR/>your comment, "All I read here are hateful accusations, especially from the <BR/>"anti-Gaines" side." explains a lot.<BR/><BR/>Most hateful comments come from the folks who are defending all wrong doing by the church leadership. For all we know, you may be one of them.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that everything needs to be said in love. Facts may hurt but they are not hateful. <BR/><BR/>Everybody I know that is standing for truth are doing so out of love and they do not hate Steve Gaines. They love Steve Gaines but they want truth and righteousness to prevail.<BR/><BR/>I hope you understand.<BR/>God Bless you today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com