tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post116832859859280571..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Bellevue's Leadership CovenantNew BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger130125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168623764782878102007-01-12T11:42:00.000-06:002007-01-12T11:42:00.000-06:00piglet said:"mom4I agree.If Gaines is part of the ...piglet said:<BR/><BR/>"mom4<BR/><BR/>I agree.<BR/><BR/>If Gaines is part of the emerging apostate church, though, he may not experience God's wrath in this life."<BR/><BR/>Response:<BR/>Oh my word, do you honestly believe this? If so, why are you not getting as far away from him as possible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168623455584329272007-01-12T11:37:00.000-06:002007-01-12T11:37:00.000-06:00libertyinchrist said:This BBC application asks "We...libertyinchrist said:<BR/><BR/>This BBC application asks "Were you a victim of abuse or molestation while a minor?" If you answered yes, the church would like you to then be counseled by its minister of molestation and child sodomy. In reality what it was really saying was: "If you were molested as a minor, we would like you to be counseled by our resident expert in perversion who is one of our senior ministers who sodomized his own son," because the Senior Pastor Steve Gaines who was in possession of this knowledge has every confidence in this man."<BR/><BR/>Response:<BR/>Wow, that's a little strong. Do you know that Paul Williams will not be removed from his position? Do you know that Steve Gaines has "every confidence in this man"? Those are some serious allegations.<BR/><BR/>"Steve Gaines and the leadership of BBC signed their own death warrant and admission of guilt with this clause: "This information will be maintained in strict confidence"...in other words we the leadership will not report this felony to authorities [which we are required to do by law] and agree to cover it up and continue to pay this man on staff a salary even though no services are being rendered for the salary."<BR/><BR/>Response:<BR/>I wonder if Bellevue might be concerned that a fired employee could sue, regardless of admission of guilt, if the reason for dismissal was not properly documented before the dismissal? <BR/>I will wait to see what the investigation/inquiry reveals before biting off more than I can chew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168538198550434572007-01-11T11:56:00.000-06:002007-01-11T11:56:00.000-06:00ezekiel,I understand your thoughts better now and ...ezekiel,<BR/><BR/>I understand your thoughts better now and believe that we are in agreement. The Word is the ultimate authority in all things. Every book every written by anyone will eventually be destroyed by fire, only the Word will remain. We should never stop short of comparing every teaching and opinion to the Word.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the clarification. I believe that I had misunderstood your original post and responded with a tone of harshness.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168409811910607872007-01-10T00:16:00.000-06:002007-01-10T00:16:00.000-06:00Disclaimer: This is off-topic There are two kind...Disclaimer: This is off-topic <BR/><BR/><BR/>There are two kinds of uses of science and technology.<BR/>1) God-honoring <BR/>2) not God-honoring <BR/><BR/>Evolution denies that the Bible starts out telling the truth as presented but is just a fable. Does that honor God? <BR/><BR/><BR/>1) Evolution relies upon the idea that new species are being created. That's called, "speciation" (alternate spelling: "s c i e n c e f i c t i o n.") And the dirty little secret of evolution is that speciation just doesn't happen. We can't even force it to happen. (Gene-splicing doesn't count because there is no equivalent natural process). There is no natural or man-made process known that can cause a new species to come into existence. Not heat, light, water, radiation, electricity, chemical baths, nutrient baths, pressure chambers, centrifuges, or anything else Darwinists have contrived. Mutation of viruses and bacteria is not an example of speciation but expression of existing variation in a population of cells.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>2) Evolution relies upon dating methods that say the earth is billions of years old. These techniques are well respected scientifically, but ultimately they will always be just pure speculative theory unless somebody can invent a "time machine" (impossible) and go back millions of years to verify the calibration of these techniques. These techniques are all based on each other's results (<I>house of cards</I>), not on verifiable fact of conditions on or outside of the earth or physical laws like the speed of light more than 10-20 thousand years ago. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Theories like speciation and these dating methods that gain merit by how well they fit with other scientific theories amount to nothing more than intellectual posturing, one-up-manship, and "group-think" that seeks only to build up the reputation of men at the expense of the reputation of God.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>To summarize:<BR/>1) Speciation doesn't happen. <BR/>2) There is no way to prove the universe is old enough to give speciation enough time to do what is claimed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168408316752048752007-01-09T23:51:00.000-06:002007-01-09T23:51:00.000-06:00When I filled out my form to work in children's mi...When I filled out my form to work in children's ministry 9 or 10 years ago, the tithing part was NOT on there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168404010945349882007-01-09T22:40:00.000-06:002007-01-09T22:40:00.000-06:00piglet, This is so very true and it very well be ...piglet, <BR/> This is so very true and it very well be that this is what we will see.<BR/> I would rather see true repentance, honesty and surrender to be a servant leader.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your good posts today!<BR/><BR/>cjesus...<BR/>Going to get some sleep after I check my email!MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168403785717266592007-01-09T22:36:00.000-06:002007-01-09T22:36:00.000-06:00Mom4Regarding the leadership covenant I posted abo...Mom4<BR/><BR/>Regarding the leadership covenant I posted above:<BR/><BR/>Reckon the leadership would have any objection if people adde "as they follow Christ" after the statement about supporting the pastor and church programs. <BR/><BR/> Or would that not be committed enough?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168403534850392072007-01-09T22:32:00.000-06:002007-01-09T22:32:00.000-06:00mom4I agree.If Gaines is part of the emerging apos...mom4<BR/><BR/>I agree.<BR/><BR/>If Gaines is part of the emerging apostate church, though, he may not experience God's wrath in this life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168403067609999482007-01-09T22:24:00.000-06:002007-01-09T22:24:00.000-06:00piglet said..."Our deacons have no power, whatsoev...piglet said...<BR/>"Our deacons have no power, whatsoever. They serve the Lord's supper."<BR/><BR/>Hello piglet, <BR/> On your above post - I am so disappointed in the majority of the deacon body for their lack of action as deacons, but moreso for their lack of action as men and members of the Body of Christ. The idea that they (or anybody) would knowingly serve and partake of the Lord's supper with this strife going on in our midst is out of the reach of my understanding. I do have aught against my brethern who have run rampant over their weaker brothers and have mocked sin and told blatant lies and displayed feined "apologies" when their feet were held to the fire. I have not in good conscience been able to partake of the Lord's Supper since Steve Gaines has been at Bellevue because I have felt that something was wrong - that check in my spirit as some call it. The more I find out, the more I am sure that Steve Gaines is not God's man for Bellevue, he is not God's man at all. Shame on him for his deceit and the strife he has brought to Bellevue and the Rogers family.<BR/>The Leadership Covenant is his way of demanding that we bow the knee to him. What kind of blasphemy is that? I fear for the consequences of his actions and the wrath that he is bringing upon himself and his family.MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168401697715844822007-01-09T22:01:00.000-06:002007-01-09T22:01:00.000-06:00jamesdThe original poster of this statement has ab...jamesd<BR/><BR/>The original poster of this statement has abuse in her past. This issue, understandably, has her very emotional. As Ace said, she apologized.<BR/><BR/>Emotions run high on this blog because both sides feel the other is destroying the church.<BR/><BR/>I want the leadership to come clean. They should have had the parties involved in the issues (as far back as May) meet and settle things instaed of removing Mark from the deacon body and telling him to shut up. There never was a meeting and it's all gone downhill from there. <BR/><BR/>Our deacons have no power, whatsoever. They serve the Lord's supper. But they can't question anything that is happening, even when concerned staff raise questions and bring issues to them like they tried to with Mark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168401484873024722007-01-09T21:58:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:58:00.000-06:00Mrs. C,I did, Janie (or is it Wendy) Oh, man...you...Mrs. C,<BR/><BR/><I>I did, Janie (or is it Wendy) </I><BR/><BR/>Oh, man...you figured me out. I won't tell you which one of those people I am that way I still have 50% secrecy.<BR/><BR/>Have a wonderful night, Mrs. C....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168401292344253752007-01-09T21:54:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:54:00.000-06:00jamesdSorry,I've been away but I'm catching up.Is ...jamesd<BR/><BR/>Sorry,I've been away but I'm catching up.<BR/><BR/>Is what true?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168401178565074442007-01-09T21:52:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:52:00.000-06:00ace.. I did, Janie (or is it Wendy)ace..<BR/> I did, Janie (or is it Wendy)Been Redeemedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589824098474221758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168401108147876142007-01-09T21:51:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:51:00.000-06:00Mrs. C,Post your opinion all you like. It doesn't...Mrs. C,<BR/><BR/>Post your opinion all you like. It doesn't make it the truth. Post your heart out.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>AceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168400958654895012007-01-09T21:49:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:49:00.000-06:00James,Yes, somebody did post that a day or two ago...James,<BR/><BR/>Yes, somebody did post that a day or two ago....but later somebody told the truth and the original poster of that information apologized for her error.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168400916203666602007-01-09T21:48:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:48:00.000-06:00ace said... Mrs. C,I'm not going to even respond t...ace said... <BR/>Mrs. C,<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to even respond to your above post. NBBCOF, is that kind of post allowed here? I've posted far less nasty stuff than that and it got deleted previously...<BR/><BR/>Thanks for looking into this. <BR/><BR/>ACE, <BR/> You have no response other than an attempt to have my opinion removed.<BR/> I still believe that you and your cohorts are only posting on here to create strife in an attempt to make these people look bad before the world. You have your own blog and you only allow those to post that promote your agenda. Go home and leave these kind folks alone!Been Redeemedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589824098474221758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168400764161300692007-01-09T21:46:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:46:00.000-06:00So?Is it true?Anyone?So?<BR/>Is it true?<BR/>Anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168400559411432422007-01-09T21:42:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:42:00.000-06:004545,Are you Carter Threlkeld?TS4545,<BR/><BR/>Are you Carter Threlkeld?<BR/><BR/>TSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168400188453540632007-01-09T21:36:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:36:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168399851610634422007-01-09T21:30:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:30:00.000-06:00phil413 said... ACE posted: Just curious...where d...phil413 said... <BR/>ACE posted: Just curious...where did you get this information? Because it's my understanding that the house isn't even owned by the Rogers family.<BR/>Reply: Once again more lies and inuendo! Come on Ace bring some facts.<BR/>Psalm 118:6<BR/>David Matlock <BR/><BR/>David, <BR/> I am amazed at the half ignorant half rude posts by ace and 4545. I have been watching this blog the entire time and I continue to be amazed that these people get on here and run their mouths about things they know nothing about. They are believing lies from the leadership, and I will even go so far as to say that I think ace IS married to someone in leadership or his daughter and for all we know, 4545 is as well. These folks come on here to spread lies and foolish jest and create strife. There must be some way the blog admin can block their IP addresses so they cannot create so much animosity amongst the brethern. <BR/>I think you guys are doing a great job getting the word out about the deceit and coverups of the leadership - ALL of the leadership. I would not be surprised if they ended up in jail where they belong. <BR/>Proverbs 28:13.Been Redeemedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589824098474221758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168399572812699142007-01-09T21:26:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:26:00.000-06:00I can understand your anger if you have been heari...I can understand your anger if you have been hearing for months that a group of malcontents just want to get rid of the pastor and are making up lies. If I believed that, I would be angry, too.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ok, here it is. I can't prove anything and I hear sooo much about what you people say here. I hear the stuff you make up out of nothing and most of the time I just chalk it up to how juvenile everyone knows you are and I let it go. <BR/><BR/>BUT...I had to take a look for myself tonight...so I finally out how to post...I now have a blog? <BR/><BR/>Anyway, like I said, I can not prove what others have said even though some claim to have printouts.<BR/><BR/>If this is true I think you all are done with. Did you guys...actually I know who supposedly said this garbage....say that Dr. Gaines demanded Carter Threlkeld to bow at the alter Sunday, that he did it to make look like minister's at Bellevue kneel?<BR/><BR/>Do you know that Carter knows who said this. You people are....let's just say that people want to forgive you but you keep on and on and on and on.....whatever....I said I wasn't going to talk to this "blog"..I'm just really starting to feel sorry for you. Some of you have been long time members and your families were well like till all this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168399484123841092007-01-09T21:24:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:24:00.000-06:00David,Of course I forgive you. You've got mail.David,<BR/><BR/>Of course I forgive you. You've got mail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168399411705998752007-01-09T21:23:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:23:00.000-06:00JamesD,Please email me and tell me who all these p...JamesD,<BR/><BR/>Please email me and tell me who all these people are. I am *DYING* to know.<BR/><BR/>Seriously...<BR/><BR/>TS<BR/><BR/>(my email is in my profile)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168399356116421082007-01-09T21:22:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:22:00.000-06:00bepatient said..."This just makes me so tired."rep...bepatient said...<BR/>"This just makes me so tired."<BR/><BR/><BR/>reply:<BR/> go to bedBeen Redeemedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06589824098474221758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1168398827579521382007-01-09T21:13:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:13:00.000-06:00jamedWe show up and act like we do because our con...jamed<BR/><BR/>We show up and act like we do because our conscience is clean before the Lord.<BR/><BR/>We can worship because Jesus has not changed just because the integrity of our church has.<BR/><BR/>Why do we need sign if you know us anyway?<BR/><BR/>I can understand your anger if you have been hearing for months that a group of malcontents just want to get rid of the pastor and are making up lies. If I believed that, I would be angry, too.<BR/><BR/>In fact, we heard that for months and then decided to get the facts ourselves - which isn't hard to do when you've been here 25 years and know many of the folks involved. I just never asked any questions for awhile because I thought I could trust the leadership.<BR/><BR/>I love our BF teacher but I do not appreciatee his misrepresenting the facts to us all these months.<BR/><BR/>Isn't it possible you don't know everything?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com