tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post116737540511159410..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Hmmm... Could It Really Be?New BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger484125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167572057181774592006-12-31T07:34:00.000-06:002006-12-31T07:34:00.000-06:00ATTENTION!!!(1) THIS THREAD IS GETTING TOO LONG, S...ATTENTION!!!<BR/><BR/>(1) THIS THREAD IS GETTING TOO LONG, SO THERE'S A NEW ONE. PLEASE MOVE UP.<BR/><BR/>(2) ACE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. IF YOU SEE ANY OF HIS COMMENTS BEFORE I DELETE THEM, PLEASE JUST IGNORE THEM.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167546853349010352006-12-31T00:34:00.000-06:002006-12-31T00:34:00.000-06:00fedupatbbc said... Diana, Thank you. I guess Ace i...fedupatbbc said... <BR/>Diana, <BR/><BR/>Thank you. I guess Ace is right, becuase i am sitting here crying. Not just for myself but for the other women who have already been met with the same disdain that Ace has shown us so many times already in our lives.<BR/><BR/>And this is why we don't tell. <BR/><BR/>10:28 PM, December 30, 2006 <BR/><BR/>Don't be afraid; we are not defined by our past. Christ Jesus has set us free. Those chains of the past cannot hold us anymore! He is Lord and we are complete in Him!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167542842582255312006-12-30T23:27:00.000-06:002006-12-30T23:27:00.000-06:00Pulled up a sermonette from an old friend. Thought...Pulled up a sermonette from an old friend. Thought it was appropriate.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Bob Jones III<BR/>The Holiness of God<BR/><BR/>You must sanctify the Lord God in your heart. If you make Him holy in your heart, it will make a big difference in all areas of your life. Many Christians tolerate sin because they have no Bible knowledge of Who God is. People have shaped a god in their own image and then put their approval on what is sin. You cannot add to His holiness. His very essence is holy. He is holy in His judgments and mercy. Until you make God holy in your heart, you will tolerate unholy thoughts and behavior that will dominate and characterize your life, even while you call yourself Christian.<BR/><BR/>Our holy God calls us to be a reflection of His holiness (I Thessalonians 4:7-8). Because God the Holy Spirit lives in us, the temple in which He dwells must be holy. God declared Himself to be holy, the Creator and King (Isaiah 43:15). Have you forgotten that God the Creator has re-created you through redemption? In Isaiah 30 the children of Israel wanted nothing to do with the holy God. They had blended God with their pagan gods. They would rather be deceived because that made them more comfortable (Isaiah 30:10-11). They did not want the Holy One preached to them.<BR/><BR/>Many of you want a god who is tolerant of your sin, a god who will "cut you some slack." That is what Israel wanted, and they are still under His chastisement today. When Israel turned away from the Holy God and began to make their own judgments, they lost the ability to make right moral choices. They could not tell the difference between right and wrong (Isaiah 5:20). They could no longer think clearly. They rejected God's standard and became wise in their own eyes (Isaiah 5:21), making their judgments the standard. This is intellectual pride.<BR/><BR/>When the standards are lowered, there is a wrong attitude about drinking alcohol (Isaiah 5:22). These people think they can use alcohol and it won't master them. Those who give a false hope of Heaven don't want to hear about the Holy One, the Righteous One (Isaiah 5:23). Terrible things will ensue when you don't have the right view of God. You will accept, believe, and practice things that reject the Holy God. Come before God with trembling hearts and reverence. Refuse to justify sin. Ask God to give you a proper reverence of Him and His Word. The Holy One will enable you to be holy as He is holy. This is what He desires for us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167542548925551892006-12-30T23:22:00.000-06:002006-12-30T23:22:00.000-06:00In my opinion, "moral failure" was not used to dow...In my opinion, "moral failure" was not used to downplay the event.<BR/><BR/>And to the point about beastility (sp?) he might have used the term, but did he describe it in detail?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167541125916076772006-12-30T22:58:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:58:00.000-06:00ATTENTION!!!(1) THIS THREAD IS GETTING TOO LONG, S...ATTENTION!!!<BR/><BR/>(1) THIS THREAD IS GETTING TOO LONG, SO THERE'S A NEW ONE. PLEASE MOVE UP.<BR/><BR/>(2) ACE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING FOR TONIGHT. IF YOU SEE ANY OF HIS COMMENTS BEFORE I DELETE THEM, PLEASE JUST IGNORE THEM.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167541034562139932006-12-30T22:57:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:57:00.000-06:00fedupatbbc saidAnd this is why we don't tellSad to...fedupatbbc said<BR/>And this is why we don't tell<BR/><BR/><STRONG>Sad to say you are right ,first you suffer at the hands of someone in authority or has total control of your life(parent,minister,priest ect). Then when you bring it to light ,YOU are the one who is criticized, that the nightmare you lived through was somehow your fault. We are told by the likes of ace and 4545and others that we need to wait on facts and to be compassionate to PW.They see nothing wrong with keeping him on staff . If you complain. you are a crybaby.<BR/>I understand how you feel and everytime I hear the words "moral failure" I cringe as it demeans all those who suffered so much and had their childhood destroyed.<BR/>To think that this drivel is comming from a "conservative church"</STRONG>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540951083716512006-12-30T22:55:00.001-06:002006-12-30T22:55:00.001-06:00First Ace says at 10:00 PMYou're pathetic... thank...First Ace says at 10:00 PM<BR/><BR/>You're pathetic... thanks again for trying to put words in my mouth. <BR/><BR/>And then Ace says 10:31 PM:<BR/><BR/>I was not talking to you.<BR/>I was not talking to you.<BR/>I was not talking to you.<BR/>I was not talking to you.<BR/>I was not talking to you.<BR/><BR/>And after that, Ace said at 10:39 PM:<BR/><BR/>Well, did you put words in my mouth? Because that was why I called you pathetic.... <BR/><BR/>**************<BR/><BR/>Folks, I'm convinced that Ace was on the Communications Committee. If he wasn't, he should have been.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540905633988402006-12-30T22:55:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:55:00.000-06:00PLEASE! LOL Ace in leadership? I think not. H...PLEASE! LOL Ace in leadership? I think not. He sounds like he is an angry teenager. I don't think he is much older than high school. That's why we can excuse him. You know what teens can be like! Well, some teens, anyway. Hot headed; don't think before they speak, and far too often find someone elses words in their mouth. They can get all confused and don't understand why they are never understood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540737935598832006-12-30T22:52:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:52:00.000-06:00Ace said..."Proof that you will never be satisfied...Ace said...<BR/><BR/>"Proof that you will never be satisfied. Wait for the results of the investigation of P.W. then start posting about that issue again. You'll have to contact Bellevue for more info on the "rape" and what happened."<BR/><BR/>You are right...I will not be satisfied until Bellevue and all churches like her under the attack of these church growth movements are returned to Jesus Christ and under the leadership of those who are responsible and capable of guiding her. Like your last pastor, Dr. Adrian Rogers. I will not be satisfied until those so puffed up with pride are the ones removed from the churches and remain so until they repent, if they ever do. And I pray that they do. Christlike is LOVE and this is not the behavior I am seeing coming from the leadership at Bellevue and thousands of other churches like her all over the world. You need to get down on your knees and ask for forgiveness for all the manipulation you are doing to follow in the footsteps of those undeserving of your tremendous loyalty. <BR/><BR/>Wait for the results of the investigation? For what? The minister in question has already admitted to incest. The man shouldn't even be investigated by the church. Any minister with any fear of God about him would have resigned immediately. If he had any respect for Bellevue and the membership, he would NOT be putting all of you through this mess. He wouldn't be stirring up all these emotions of the victims of this hideous crime. This is shameful. It should have already been handled. Considering he did not resign...he should have been dismissed permanently. End of that discussion. And as far as contacting the church for any further information on the "rape and what happened"...no, thank you. <BR/><BR/>Your reputation proceeds you...the church has been drug through such turmoil that it has lost the credibility it once so proudly had obtained. That is what happens when a church becomes like the world. That is what happens when an older church goes through the transitioning to become purpose driven, willow creek associated...<BR/><BR/>So...thanks but no thanks. And this is the only conversation you will have with me. I know who you are. And I know what you are doing. You are coming into this blog to stir the emotions of these resistors who you and all yours have already alienated. You are trying to distract the conversation and I will have to hand it to you...you are doing a great job. I pray for you and all the others just like you. I pray you will repent. Whatever decency you may have once had, I plea with you to focus on that and get down on your knees for the sake of Christ' church. This is not intended in any way other than to offer you Christian love and pray that you will see the error of your ways...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540608417641422006-12-30T22:50:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:50:00.000-06:004545,SG definitely has control over the internal i...4545,<BR/><BR/>SG definitely has control over the internal investigation. To believe otherwise would be foolish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540562874275602006-12-30T22:49:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:49:00.000-06:00ace said... It was reported as a rape but there wa...ace said... <BR/><BR/>It was reported as a rape but there was no rape. It was consensual.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Reply:<BR/>How could you possibly know this unless you were not both of the parties involved. What makes you so sure that it was later reported by someones parents. Were you the parent of one of the kids?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540500424232922006-12-30T22:48:00.002-06:002006-12-30T22:48:00.002-06:00I thought some of you might enjoy the following po...I thought some of you might enjoy the following poem sent to me by a family member. My 19 year old son says he doubts things were ever truly the way portrayed by the poem...what do you think?<BR/><BR/><BR/>THE OLD PATHS <BR/>I liked the old paths, when Moms were at home. Dads were at work. <BR/>Brothers went into the army. And sisters got married BEFORE having children! <BR/><BR/>Crime did not pay; Hard work did; <BR/>And people knew the difference. <BR/><BR/>Moms could cook; Dads would work; Children would behave.. <BR/>Husbands were loving; Wives were supportive; And children were polite. <BR/><BR/>Women wore the jewelry; And Men wore the pants. <BR/>Women looked like ladies; Men looked like gentlemen; <BR/>And children looked decent. <BR/><BR/>People loved the truth, And hated a lie; <BR/>They came to church to get IN, Not to get OUT! <BR/><BR/>Hymns sounded Godly; Sermons sounded helpful; <BR/>Rejoicing sounded normal; And crying sounded sincere. <BR/><BR/>Cursing was wicked; Drinking was evil; <BR/>and divorce was unthinkable. <BR/><BR/>The flag was honored; America was beautiful; And God was welcome! <BR/><BR/>We read the Bible in public; Prayed in school; And preached from house to house <BR/>To be called an American was worth dying for; To be called a Christian was worth living for; To be called a traitor was a shame! <BR/><BR/>Sex was a personal word. <BR/>Homosexual was an unheard of word, <BR/>And abortion was an illegal word. <BR/><BR/>Preachers preached because they had a message; <BR/>And Christians rejoiced because they had the VICTORY! <BR/>Preachers preached from the Bible; Singers sang from the heart; <BR/>And sinners turned to the Lord to be SAVED! <BR/><BR/>A new birth meant a new life; <BR/>Salvation meant a changed life; <BR/>Following Christ led to eternal life. <BR/><BR/>Being a preacher meant you proclaimed the word of God; <BR/>Being a deacon meant you would serve the Lord; <BR/>Being a Christian meant you would live for Jesus; <BR/> And being a sinner meant someone was praying for you! <BR/><BR/>Laws were based on the Bible; Homes read the Bible; And churches taught the Bible. <BR/><BR/>Preachers were more interested in new converts, <BR/>Than new clothes and new cars. <BR/>God was worshiped; Christ was exalted; <BR/>and the Holy Spirit was respected. <BR/><BR/>Church was where you found Christians on the Lord's day, rather than in the garden, <BR/>on the creek bank, on the golf course, or being entertained somewhere else. <BR/><BR/>I still like the old paths the best ! <BR/><BR/><BR/> "The Old Paths" was written by a retired minister who lives <BR/>in Tennessee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540499638507982006-12-30T22:48:00.001-06:002006-12-30T22:48:00.001-06:00graceupongrace said... Rod:What do you have agains...graceupongrace said... <BR/>Rod:<BR/>What do you have against ECS? <BR/><BR/>10:44 PM, December 30, 2006<BR/><BR/>Where would you like to start?<BR/><BR/>Let`s eee.<BR/><BR/>The head of the school supports a pastor who supports a minister who is a sex offender and child molestor.<BR/><BR/>What else with Brian support?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540488614223142006-12-30T22:48:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:48:00.000-06:00blessmewiththetruth said...ARE THE WEIGHTS BALANCE...<I>blessmewiththetruth said...<BR/><BR/>ARE THE WEIGHTS BALANCED?<BR/><BR/>Steve Gaines had leadership in West Jackson removed for sexual immorality.<BR/><BR/>Steve Gaines knows that a senior staff member has been accused of sexual immorality and takes NO ACTION WHAT SO EVER. He refuses to even investigate.<BR/><BR/>WHY?????????????<BR/><BR/>3:10 PM, December 06, 2006</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>I have a question for Blessme. Was the sexual immorality you referred to in that post the PW situation or was it something else? Is another senior staff member guilty of a "moral failure?" <BR/><BR/>Like Sackcloth said, it is way past time for truth and light. Let's get it all out there.SallySherlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09450047456308052389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540274755190332006-12-30T22:44:00.002-06:002006-12-30T22:44:00.002-06:00And the hammer falls.And the hammer falls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540265423635412006-12-30T22:44:00.001-06:002006-12-30T22:44:00.001-06:00ju- What do you and others NOT get about this inve...ju- What do you and others NOT get about this investigation?? It is a VERY serious legal issue. <BR/><BR/>You and many others are acting like Dr. Gaines is running the investigation and can just do whatever he would like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540242198339832006-12-30T22:44:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:44:00.000-06:00Rod:What do you have against ECS?Rod:<BR/>What do you have against ECS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540139580335722006-12-30T22:42:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:42:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540075207371732006-12-30T22:41:00.001-06:002006-12-30T22:41:00.001-06:00If Ace IS in leadership, is it any wonder why we a...If Ace IS in leadership, is it any wonder why we are in the shape we, as a church, are in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540074642899702006-12-30T22:41:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:41:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540034022582462006-12-30T22:40:00.001-06:002006-12-30T22:40:00.001-06:00Ace,It's so hard to understand how a gentle, consi...Ace,<BR/>It's so hard to understand how a gentle, considerate, compassionate, caring and positive person like yourself is so often misunderstood...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167540026676712182006-12-30T22:40:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:40:00.000-06:00Blessmewiththetruth,Please send me an email I have...Blessmewiththetruth,<BR/><BR/>Please send me an email I have a question for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167539951887359012006-12-30T22:39:00.001-06:002006-12-30T22:39:00.001-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167539945863061672006-12-30T22:39:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:39:00.000-06:00Ace, are you in High School? Do you go to ECS?Ace, are you in High School? Do you go to ECS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1167539936688651832006-12-30T22:38:00.000-06:002006-12-30T22:38:00.000-06:00I would like to publically thank ACE for advising ...I would like to publically thank ACE for advising David Coombs to contact David Brown with S.N.A.P.<BR/><BR/>Without that connection we would not know that David Coombs gave false information to David Brown in an official capacity on behalf of Bellevue`s current pastor, Steve Gaines. <BR/><BR/>Thanks also go out to David Coombs for at least confirming that Paul Williams had committed a sex crime upon a child.<BR/><BR/>All this information has helped so many to see how disbolic and sinister the wayward minister and his Bellevue boys really are.<BR/><BR/>And there is no wiggle room for any of them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com