tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post116674946829659138..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Dr. Spradlin Faces the Music and RespondsNew BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger184125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166893076952733632006-12-23T10:57:00.000-06:002006-12-23T10:57:00.000-06:00hifriend,did you see Dr. Spradlin's explanation of...hifriend,<BR/><BR/>did you see Dr. Spradlin's explanation of how the article came about? He was asked a hypothetical question by the journalist and the journalist superimposed those words on the SG situation. Now, Dr. Spradlin, stands by his answer, but you might find it helpful to read his statement as to how the article came about. www.mabts.eduAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166888737644426742006-12-23T09:45:00.000-06:002006-12-23T09:45:00.000-06:00Financeguy,My comments addressed to Dr. Spradlin w...Financeguy,<BR/>My comments addressed to Dr. Spradlin were saying that he should not be commenting to the press. Say it privately to SG. If he did, great. But regardless, say nothing to the press. You state that SG said it himself and so it was OK for Spradlin to tell it. Remember, he said that to the church not the press. At least follow some resemblance of Matthew 18. After the third admontition tell it to the Church, not the press. Should SG resign? That is a question for him and the members of Bellevue to answer. I will apologize for a word I used, slander. Yet I do feel very strongly that a leader of Dr. Spradlin stature should not be involved in talking to the press about internal things in a church. Should he speak out against any kind of moral failures in a church? YES! But there is a proper Biblical forum for that. Merry Christmas to all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166845502036148832006-12-22T21:45:00.000-06:002006-12-22T21:45:00.000-06:00I call on all staff and deacons to stop paying the...I call on all staff and deacons to stop paying their tithe with their personal checks and start dropping in the offering plate cash, or a money order. This way the ITS can't check your tithe. Let's see how long it will take Steve Gaines to call you onto his new soft carpet for a little chat. At that time, you can tell him it's none of his business. Tell him your tithe is between you and God. Steve Gaines can't fire you for not tithing with a personal check. If he does, there's a big billboard with Johnny Cochran's law firm ready to hear from you.<BR/><BR/>No integrity behind the pulpit, no tithing with personal check.<BR/><BR/>No accountability in the leadership, tithing money sent somewhere else where it's used properly.<BR/><BR/>The blog has reported $30,000,000 in the bank right now. Can anyone come up with a good reason for this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166831345917729752006-12-22T17:49:00.000-06:002006-12-22T17:49:00.000-06:00David Perdue's actions just don't make sense. Davi...David Perdue's actions just don't make sense. <BR/><BR/>David Perdue is on the Trustee Board at Mid America Seminary.<BR/><BR/>David Perdue thought Dr. Mike Spradlin was God's annointed man for being the President of Mid America Seminary.<BR/><BR/>David Perdue and the rest of the Gaines gang have said over and over it's a sin to question God's annointed. They say be quiet and let God handle it.<BR/><BR/>David Perdue, why did you ask for the resignation of Dr. Mike Spradlin yesterday? If you have changed your philosophy on questioning authority, why is it wrong for others to call for Steve Gaines to step down?<BR/><BR/>Could it be that this rule only applies to certain people? Where's the consistency? Where's the integrity.<BR/><BR/>This reminds me of liberals working their way into the church. Rules apply only when it benefits them. When the rules don't benefit them, they ignore them even if it means breaking the law.<BR/><BR/>How is the tithing record of the staff these days? Is Steve Gaines going to let any of them go? How about the deacons, soloists, and teachers? Are any of them going to be fired at the end of the year?<BR/><BR/>Are you still working on Steve Gaines TV deal? Did you purchase a TV station for Steve Gaines?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166828465077124052006-12-22T17:01:00.000-06:002006-12-22T17:01:00.000-06:00ace,Please respond when you get a chance.Ace, are ...ace,<BR/>Please respond when you get a chance.<BR/><BR/>Ace, are you a girl? <BR/><BR/>Cause if you're not, you come across as the girliest man I've ever heard. The girly comments, the little winks and smiles on your comments...you're a chick right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166827137260649202006-12-22T16:38:00.000-06:002006-12-22T16:38:00.000-06:00CH said... BWS said:I also have walked onto proper...CH said... <BR/>BWS said:<BR/><BR/>I also have walked onto property and jumped a fence or two to look at properties for sale and whatnot and I assume that I could be brought up on trespassing charges, but I don't think it would be vigorously pursued by law enforcement. In those situations, as with SG, I don't feel like the intent was there for someone to make a case for arrest.<BR/><BR/>Again, more evidence of moral relativism. Apparently you don't think the law should apply equally to all? It's more up to them to see what fits their schedule and sentiments? "No trespassing" means "no trespassing unless you're a nice guy who's just looking at property for sale and don't think this should apply to you"?<BR/><BR/>Trying really hard to understand... <BR/><BR/>11:14 AM, December 22, 2006 <BR/><BR/>"No trespassing" means "no trespassing" just like "don't touch me there daddy" means "DON'T TOUCH ME"!!! There isn't really any gray area here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166821508995591942006-12-22T15:05:00.000-06:002006-12-22T15:05:00.000-06:00Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me acc...Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. <BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Narrator</B> <I>And the angel departed from her. </I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166816372228574312006-12-22T13:39:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:39:00.000-06:00fedup, It could have been him at that time, as he ...fedup, <BR/>It could have been him at that time, as he was a counseler on staff then.Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166815501471518302006-12-22T13:25:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:25:00.000-06:00bmwtt, If you never found that letter, email me an...bmwtt, <BR/>If you never found that letter, email me and i'll send it to you.Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166815066915049702006-12-22T13:17:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:17:00.000-06:00Could someone help me out..I am curious as to how ...Could someone help me out..I am curious as to how long PW has been a counselor at church. The reason I ask this is because in 1996, I had to go for so-called 'counseling' because i was a victim of incest. I do not remember who the counselor was. was PW the one doing that at that time...<BR/><BR/>thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166814732165981952006-12-22T13:12:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:12:00.000-06:00You can find these comments left on the bratton re...You can find these comments left on the bratton report.<BR/><BR/><I>I also believe that public apologies are due Dr. Spradlin for at least two incidents he's gone through with Bellevue leadership in recent months, incidents whose details I do not have permission to cite in detail.</I><BR/><BR/>Seems that Mike Bratton can't site the "full" details for us yet. You must know this is true as Mike Bratton only deals in facts.gopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248697714473635198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166814486131757422006-12-22T13:08:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:08:00.000-06:00Who is Steve Gaines going to trash next?So far Chu...Who is Steve Gaines going to trash next?<BR/><BR/>So far Chuck Taylor, Steve Tucker, Harry Smith, Phil Weatherwax, Mark Doughtery, David Coombs and David Purdue have become fallen gofers for him.<BR/><BR/>Who will be the next point man or woman to be sent into the fray and be defeated for Steve Gaines?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166814256912783972006-12-22T13:04:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:04:00.000-06:00I apolgise to Ace and the board for the "nursery" ...I apolgise to Ace and the board for the "nursery" comment. It was uncalled for and motivated out of frustration. I've removed it.Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166814179769224912006-12-22T13:02:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:02:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166814081561716462006-12-22T13:01:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:01:00.000-06:00He said that the reporter was wanting info concern...<I>He said that the reporter was wanting info concerning MABTS and he just added the Bellevue problems. As I read the Cammercial Appeal, Dr. Spradlin said more than just a few comments. Therer were 6 paragraphs saying that Gaines should resign and the reason for his resignation. As an Alumni of MABTS I am disgusted with Dr. Spradlin getting involved publicly with this situation. This should have been a private matter between Gaines and Dr. Spradlin. Should the situation with Williams been handled differently by Gaines? Yes! But the comments by Dr. Spradlin to the CA was uncalled for. He should have gone to him in his office and asked him to resign if that is what Dr. Spradlin wanted him to do. And then to wash it over by saying I only made a few comments to the CA and spoke more about MABTS. Maybe so, but the reporter gave more info about Bellevue than MABTS. And you should have known the outcome. You <B>slandered a brother publicly</B> and you need to ask forgiveness publicly. </I><BR/><BR/>Since when is it slander for one leader to suggest another leader should resign because they believe that leader acted in a grossly negligent manner that placed children at risk? <BR/><BR/>Dr. Spradlin has the option to make his views known. Ineded I think he has an obligation to answer the questions asked of him by the local newspaper. <B>If our leaders like Dr. Spradlin are afraid to take a stand to protect the kids in their flock against child rape then they are not leaders that are worth following.</B> I am thankful Dr. Spradlin spoke up to let people know not every Baptist leader believes it is okay to let an admitted child rapist roam the halls of a Church and interview workers for the children's department.<BR/><BR/>How can a graduate of a seminary think we should remain quiet about something like this?GBC_Memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01041872059042542972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166814054491687502006-12-22T13:00:00.000-06:002006-12-22T13:00:00.000-06:00hifriendBut the comments by Dr. Spradlin to the CA...hifriend<BR/><I>But the comments by Dr. Spradlin to the CA was uncalled for.</I><BR/><BR/>How in the world can you know all that's gone on over the last six months, all that the Apostle Paul wrote, and say such a thing? You should go apoligise to Dr. Spradlin for your disrespect for him on this blog.Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166813327083764762006-12-22T12:48:00.000-06:002006-12-22T12:48:00.000-06:00hifriend, How do you know that this conversation d...hifriend, <BR/><BR/>How do you know that this conversation didn't happen between Spradlin and Gaines? <BR/><BR/>We don't know - that's my point.<BR/><BR/>Even if that conversation didn't happen, no slander has occured here. Spradlin only addressed what Gaines spoke with his own mouth from the pulpit. Slander is an awfully big charge for you to throw out there. (And if it's not true, it sounds an awful lot like bearing false witness against your neighbor).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166812863507496962006-12-22T12:41:00.000-06:002006-12-22T12:41:00.000-06:00He said that the reporter was wanting info concern...He said that the reporter was wanting info concerning MABTS and he just added the Bellevue problems. As I read the Cammercial Appeal, Dr. Spradlin said more than just a few comments. Therer were 6 paragraphs saying that Gaines should resign and the reason for his resignation. As an Alumni of MABTS I am disgusted with Dr. Spradlin getting involved publicly with this situation. This should have been a private matter between Gaines and Dr. Spradlin. Should the situation with Williams been handled differently by Gaines? Yes! But the comments by Dr. Spradlin to the CA was uncalled for. He should have gone to him in his office and asked him to resign if that is what Dr. Spradlin wanted him to do. And then to wash it over by saying I only made a few comments to the CA and spoke more about MABTS. Maybe so, but the reporter gave more info about Bellevue than MABTS. And you should have known the outcome. You slandered a brother publicly and you need to ask forgiveness publicly. http://oesmolly.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166812569108319192006-12-22T12:36:00.000-06:002006-12-22T12:36:00.000-06:00bws,I'm not advocating violence, but in some parts...bws,<BR/><BR/>I'm not advocating violence, but in some parts of this town if you hop, climb or scale a fence that has a "NO TRESPASSING" sign on it, you may find yourself with a hiney full of buckshot (or a bullet between the eyes). If you are TRESPASSING, you are breaking the law and ain't no police that I know of that will be sympathtic to your buckshotted hiney.<BR/><BR/>Your argument about going over the speed limit: That's sin too - I'm guilty as the next person. If you get caught by the police, do they not issue a ticket for your breaking of the law?<BR/><BR/>Why is Steve Gaines immune to being called a lawbreaker? I know he thinks Matthew 18 doesn't apply to him. Surely he doesn't think he's above the law? I hope not since he's broken another law (THIS IS A BIGGIE!) by not reporting abuse. I think DFS should look into Bryan Miller's role in not reporting the abuse. As an educator of children, I'd be wary of his leadership of ECS.<BR/><BR/>karenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11805543641376648431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166811908852645402006-12-22T12:25:00.000-06:002006-12-22T12:25:00.000-06:00Bereans said... Does it seem to anyone else that B...Bereans said... <BR/>Does it seem to anyone else that BBC church services have become a one-sided pep rally to show support for Steve Gaines?<BR/><BR/>The Gaines supporters jump up and clap and cheer on que while the other side is forced to sit in silence lest we be accused of disrupting the service.<BR/><BR/>I'm really tired of sitting silently at someone else's pep rally. <BR/><BR/>7:08 AM, December 22, 2006 <BR/><BR/>I know how you feel - I REALLY wanted to shout out "what about PW's son!! Is anyone going to stand up for him?" But I didn't - I did sit during the ovations though.<BR/><BR/>Someone mentioned it before, but it was REALLY weird seeing Steve Gaines stand behind the pulpit on Wednesday night - just making an observation, not trying to start a fight.<BR/><BR/>KarenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11805543641376648431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166810492724714122006-12-22T12:01:00.000-06:002006-12-22T12:01:00.000-06:00Dgrs198grs said... Do you think the Lord 'calls' a...Dgrs198grs said... <BR/>Do you think the Lord 'calls' a pastor to a church or does the church select the pastor it wants to lead them? <BR/><BR/>Is being a pastor a 'calling' or a job where one looks for advancement, higher pay, etc.? <BR/><BR/>I think it's a good question worth looking at. When the Holy Spirit is free to work, I think a church calls the right man and the right man is led to the church. If the church is not ready spiritually, I think a church can select a man to fit their needs thus ending up with the wrong man.<BR/><BR/>It's always been intersting to me that it's rare that a pastor is called to a smaller church with a smaller salary.<BR/><BR/>Almost always, a pastor seems to be called to a larger church with a larger salary. <BR/><BR/>Did Steve Gaines have his eyes on more money (more tithers) and advancement in the Southern Baptist Convention? Some of the early statements made by him may lead someone to think so.<BR/><BR/>God has allowed a lot of leaders to rule thru history that have been poor leaders. <BR/><BR/>Was Bellevue ready for a new pastor? Looking back, I'm not sure we were looking for God's man.<BR/><BR/>I've heard a lot of people claim that Steve Gaines was Dr. Rogers man. I loved Dr. Rogers but I wasn't praying that we get a man's request. I was praying that God bring His man to us. If Dr. Rogers were here today, I don't think we would be having this discussion about Steve Gaines. Dr. Rogers would have been quick to call it like it is and deal with it.<BR/><BR/>Just some thoughts to ponder!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166810017830012382006-12-22T11:53:00.000-06:002006-12-22T11:53:00.000-06:00grs198grs wrote:"Do you think the Lord 'calls' a p...grs198grs wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"Do you think the Lord 'calls' a pastor to a church or does the church select the pastor it wants to lead them? <BR/><BR/>"Is being a pastor a 'calling' or a job where one looks for advancement, higher pay, etc.?"</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think you can say it's the same for all churches or all pastors. Surely there have been many pastors who were called by God, but there have no doubt been a lot who were lured by the power, money, and potential fame that accompanied the position. Certainly pastor search committees, for whatever reasons, sometimes have "agendas." I imagine in more than a few cases that while it was a true calling in the beginning, the power and money that came later "went to the head" and it became a very lucrative job. As they say, "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely."New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166809009443682622006-12-22T11:36:00.000-06:002006-12-22T11:36:00.000-06:00I asked this question late last night and got no r...I asked this question late last night and got no response. It may have too late, so I'll ask it again.<BR/><BR/>I've always wondered what most people think about this issue -<BR/><BR/>Do you think the Lord 'calls' a pastor to a church or does the church select the pastor it wants to lead them? <BR/><BR/>Is being a pastor a 'calling' or a job where one looks for advancement, higher pay, etc.?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166808059028987002006-12-22T11:20:00.000-06:002006-12-22T11:20:00.000-06:00Perhaps I'm being redundant or naive, but I still ...Perhaps I'm being redundant or naive, but I still ask the question, What about a good old fashioned petition, in writing, with names and addresses and phone numbers of our church members? In this day and age there should be a way to set up a meeting for members to come and sign this without it having to be at the church or approved by the church. If our church is truly split and half the congregation has left or is unhappy, and you get an actual petition in front of the media, wouldn't that hold alot of weight?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166807976779122002006-12-22T11:19:00.000-06:002006-12-22T11:19:00.000-06:00Has anyone given any thought to the fact that PW w...Has anyone given any thought to the fact that PW waited until Dr Rogers was gone to confess this sin to the Senior Pastor of BBC? Was it because in SG he saw a man that he thought he could deal with? That would be lenient on him? Possibly allow him to stay in his position? Interesting to think about. We are well aware of what would have happened to the man if he had done this during Dr Rogers term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com