tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post116665526975985105..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Today's Media Coverage - December 20, 2006New BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger479125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166768237285083852006-12-22T00:17:00.000-06:002006-12-22T00:17:00.000-06:00graceupongrace said...justnotso,Yes, the wine that...graceupongrace said...<BR/>justnotso,<BR/><BR/>Yes, the wine that Jesus drank was fermented. The Bible warns against being drunk with too much wine. How do you get drunk on grape juice?<BR/><BR/>Here are a couple verses that I'm sure will bless your heart.<BR/><BR/>1 Timothy 5:23<BR/>Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.<BR/><BR/>Proverbs 31<BR/>6 Give beer to those who are perishing, <BR/>wine to those who are in anguish; <BR/><BR/>7 let them drink and forget their poverty <BR/>and remember their misery no more. <BR/><BR/>4:13 PM, December 21, 2006 <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>graceupongrace,<BR/><BR/>I can quote more verses but it looks like you like your drinking.<BR/>Check out Dr. Rogers tape at Bellevue and I think it is titled wine and beverage alcohol. <BR/><BR/>If you like your drinking, you may not want to hear what Dr. Rogers say concerning this according to Gods' word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166765978077862642006-12-21T23:39:00.000-06:002006-12-21T23:39:00.000-06:00ATTENTION EVERYBODY!THIS THREAD IS GETTING SO LONG...ATTENTION EVERYBODY!<BR/><BR/>THIS THREAD IS GETTING SO LONG. PLEASE MOVE UP TO THE "YET MORE MEDIA COVERAGE" THREAD TO CONTINUE.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166750683211500372006-12-21T19:24:00.000-06:002006-12-21T19:24:00.000-06:00Just a question. How can anyone say with certainit...Just a question. How can anyone say with certainity what Dr. Rogers knew or didnt know about he situation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166748784264789182006-12-21T18:53:00.000-06:002006-12-21T18:53:00.000-06:00Mrs. Rogers is on WREC now!Mrs. Rogers is on WREC now!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166746641353592732006-12-21T18:17:00.001-06:002006-12-21T18:17:00.001-06:00VERY IMPORTANTEverybody needs to go to the MABTU w...<B>VERY IMPORTANT</B><BR/><BR/>Everybody needs to go to the <A HREF="http://www.mabts.edu/templates/cusmabts/default.asp?id=23267" REL="nofollow">MABTU web site</A> and read the clarification issued today by Dr. Spradlin. He did not directly state Dr. Gaines should resign. The reporter ask him a general question and then "connected the dots" to make the headline. VERY unprofessional, but not surprising. Basically the reporter misrepresented the facts by stating that Spradlin called for Gaines to resign. He did not directly make that statement. <B>However</B>, Spradlin (along with James Dobson) stands by the statement that a pastor that does not report sexual abuse should resign.<BR/><BR/>Ed Thompson<BR/><BR/>P.S. I guess next on the "attack list" of Gaines supporters will be James Dobson!Ed T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16626291412360863687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166746355912030212006-12-21T18:12:00.000-06:002006-12-21T18:12:00.000-06:00Grace,I don't condemn you it's not my place. The ...Grace,<BR/><BR/>I don't condemn you it's not my place. <BR/><BR/>The Church's Role In Discernment<BR/><BR/>Discernment is more than the work of an individual person. The Spirit acts within the gathered believers (the Church) so they can discern what to do and be. Within that context, specific persons may be given the gift for leading the church as it discerns. Such gifted people are given a 'spiritual eye' for cutting through facades and confusion, for getting to the heart of the matter. They listen closely, notice what's happening in the world around them, and instinctively know what place it has in God's plans. Someone who's gifted in discernment of spirits can find where evil lurks in good things, and where the Spirit is working when things are going wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166746306727231732006-12-21T18:11:00.000-06:002006-12-21T18:11:00.000-06:00Amen to the lady on the radio talking about conseq...Amen to the lady on the radio talking about consequences.Christian, Wife, Mother, Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637451986727537513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166746090269438862006-12-21T18:08:00.000-06:002006-12-21T18:08:00.000-06:00graceupon, please remember that we are also respon...graceupon, please remember that we are also responding to the people calling in to the radio station.<BR/><BR/>Now, I am not willfully twisting what you post. And I am not being haste to reply.<BR/><BR/>I reply to what I read. If I did misunderstand, than I'm sorry. Perhaps you are not expressing yourself correctly. Perhaps I need to reread your posts a couple of times. Perhaps both.Christian, Wife, Mother, Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637451986727537513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166745784254502202006-12-21T18:03:00.000-06:002006-12-21T18:03:00.000-06:00The lady on the radio is ignoring many facts.She s...The lady on the radio is ignoring many facts.<BR/><BR/>She said that we don't care about the victims. I hope she doesn't mean that we don't care about other children being hurt because that's what we're trying to avoid.<BR/><BR/>She said that we're just doing this because we want SG out.<BR/><BR/>Actually, this just makes ONE MORE reason for SG to leave.<BR/><BR/>Oh the willfully ignorant.<BR/><BR/>She cited that SG was told that the issue was resolved. She admitted that PW told him this.<BR/><BR/>That's right, let's just believe the pedophile. <BR/><BR/>And she said that SG acted because the family member came forth and said it wasn't resolved.<BR/><BR/>He acted because he knew it was about to hit the fan!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Of course, this is just to ignore the fact that he should have reported it and fired the guy on the spot!Christian, Wife, Mother, Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637451986727537513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166745757023576952006-12-21T18:02:00.001-06:002006-12-21T18:02:00.001-06:00graceupongrace,I absolutely agree with your commen...graceupongrace,<BR/>I absolutely agree with your comments on church discipline and government..these are root problems to be sure...see?..we have some common ground to stand on...I appreciate you thoughts on agreement/disagreement..I agree that we can agree to disagree agreeably. To clarify something, let me say my issues are not "against" Dr. Gaines in a personal sense. I'm trying to stay focused on the issues at hand...unfortunately these issues do involve people..namely Paul Williams and Dr. Gaines. As I stated earlier, we must bring the whole counsel of God (His word)into this situation and let it fall where it may...and I would add everywhere it falls...including me. Thank you for engaging in a dialogue...I believe that's how these issues will be resolved.allofgracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17885273980023518290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166745741570790952006-12-21T18:02:00.000-06:002006-12-21T18:02:00.000-06:00Housewife,I hope that what I am about to say is re...Housewife,<BR/>I hope that what I am about to say is received well. Several times now I have made statements that you have either misinterpreted because of haste to reply or twisted purposely, though I would like to believe it was the first. For instance, earlier I was talking about forgiveness to SG, and you asked if that obligated us to remove him as our pastor, though I explicitly addressed that in my post. Now you're taking what I said in my post about Matthew 7 and you are accusing me of applying this to the SG situation. Actually, it was in reference to "ju" saying I was not a discerning Christian, and I actually explicitly said in my post that this verse is often abused and I wasn't using it in regard to SG. So could you please read my posts a bit more carefully?<BR/><BR/>And ezekiel,<BR/>"No wonder we have a disagreement... you can't read the Bible."<BR/><BR/>I really do not appreciate this comment, and I don't think it's very wise. I asked you for clarification on your previous comment, not out of ill will, but because I truly did not understand what you were replying to and to what you were referencing. I do read the Bible, and I rely on it carefully, and I trust that you do too. But please give me a little more regard than that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166745388566933932006-12-21T17:56:00.000-06:002006-12-21T17:56:00.000-06:00socwork said... What's that old cliche? "The road ...<I>socwork said... <BR/>What's that old cliche? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." </I><BR/><BR/>Amen socwork. It doesn't matter if SG intended to hurt the children. The point is that he did.<BR/><BR/>Did it not cross his mind that more children could be harmed if the pedophile were to stay in office? If he didn't think about that, he is not fit to guard HIS (Jesus) flock!!!Christian, Wife, Mother, Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637451986727537513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166745339739437012006-12-21T17:55:00.000-06:002006-12-21T17:55:00.000-06:00allofgrace,Thanks for the gentle approach. In ligh...allofgrace,<BR/>Thanks for the gentle approach. In light of your comments on Paul's dealing with sexual sin, I must believe that he first carried out the principles of Matthew 18. And in this case, Rev. Williams was admitting to his sexual sin, not running from it. Though, with this question brought up, I must note that both Dr. Rogers and Dr. Gaines follow Matthew 18 very seldomly as they do not practice scriptural church discipline as I think they ought to.<BR/><BR/>I can sense that you are being very honest in your comments that discerning people should oppose Dr. Gaines. Yet as I said earlier today, I'm throwing up my hands. I have prayed about this and looked at the Scriptures and talked with others about this issue... and I simply am not seeing what you guys are seeing. It must be the same way for you guys. And I pray to God that if I am out of line he will show me. But as I said before I think this is a matter of Christian freedom, and by that I mean that good Christians can both disagree and agree on this issue. Truth be known, I think part of the problem is that Baptists don't have completely scriptural church government, but that's an entirely different can of worms that I think would be distracting us from the main issue right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166745028079744222006-12-21T17:50:00.001-06:002006-12-21T17:50:00.001-06:00The scripture about not judging is about not judgi...The scripture about not judging is about not judging one's salvation and position with Christ.<BR/><BR/>But we ARE called to judge sin. Otherwise, we couldn't put anyone in jail. Are we not taught to call sin sin?<BR/><BR/>We absolutely are called to judge sin and deal with it accordingly.<BR/><BR/>Also, about freedom to keep SG, how about freedom to FIRE SG? Does our supposed freedom to keep a pastor outweigh scriptural guidelines about the behavior and character of a pastor?<BR/><BR/>No.Christian, Wife, Mother, Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637451986727537513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166745020090712772006-12-21T17:50:00.000-06:002006-12-21T17:50:00.000-06:00What's that old cliche? "The road to hell is pave...What's that old cliche? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744901762543682006-12-21T17:48:00.000-06:002006-12-21T17:48:00.000-06:00Ezekiel,Paul judged who about what? I'm getting mo...Ezekiel,<BR/>Paul judged who about what? I'm getting more and more confused by your comments, could you be a little more specific in your responses and tell me what exactly you're responding to? Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744854595415442006-12-21T17:47:00.000-06:002006-12-21T17:47:00.000-06:00graceuponegrace,I want you to understand that I'm ...graceuponegrace,<BR/>I want you to understand that I'm engaging in dialogue with you because I think you are a thoughtful person..I'm not being condescending or trying to pick a fight..ok?..I know you aren't accusing me of that, I just wanted to make that clear. That said...I'm a firm believer that in any situation the WHOLE counsel of God must be brought to bear. We know from 1 Corinthians how Paul dealt with sexual sin in that church. The offender was expelled from the fellowship, so that he might come to repentance. In 2 Corinthians we see Paul tell the body that what was done was enough and to allow the offender back into fellowship...since these books are Christ's word...I think this is how He would deal with Paul Williams..given his particular temptation and the ramifications of that, I think it's safe to say that Paul's instructions would be that he could not return to ministry however. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Gaines...we know from scripture that elders/leaders are held to a higher standard..thus the warning that not many should seek to be teachers. Rebukes are aplenty in scripture for teachers who don't live up to those standards..seeing that they have been charged with the teaching/watchcare/protection of the flock...considering the nature of this situation with PW, I think it's safe to say from the teachings of scripture that at the least Dr. Gaines would get a strong rebuke, if not removal from his position. Forgiveness and grace are important Christian principles to bring into this situation I would agree...but that alone is not all Christ has given us in His word to deal with this...those things alone would be out of balance and not the whole counsel of God.allofgracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17885273980023518290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744818982180252006-12-21T17:46:00.001-06:002006-12-21T17:46:00.001-06:00To ezekiel I respond with Galatians 6:1: "Brothers...To ezekiel I respond with Galatians 6:1: "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness."<BR/><BR/>To housewife, you have yet to address the issue of whether Dr. Gaines intended to harm children, which is at the heart of this discussion.<BR/><BR/>And to ezekiel's second comment, I'm unsure what you mean by the mother comment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744606454707592006-12-21T17:43:00.000-06:002006-12-21T17:43:00.000-06:00Another "it is under the blood" comment. (on the r...Another "it is under the blood" comment. (on the radio)<BR/><BR/>I get that. But that doesn't mean he still shouldn't be fired!Christian, Wife, Mother, Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637451986727537513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744578995735412006-12-21T17:42:00.002-06:002006-12-21T17:42:00.002-06:00Housewife, I think if you read my post you would h...Housewife, I think if you read my post you would have seen that my position is quite the opposite: "I believe it is a matter of Christian freedom whether we keep Dr. Gaines"<BR/><BR/>And ju,<BR/>As Dr. Rogers said many times, you can have a sincere opinion, but you can be sincerely wrong. And you ought to make sure your opinion is in line with the Scriptures. <BR/><BR/>Let me remind you of the words of Jesus:<BR/><BR/>"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the jugment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."<BR/><BR/>You judged me by saying I am not a discerning Christian. And yes, this passage is often misused - we are called to be discerning, but we are also commanded not to condemn.<BR/><BR/>But I fear these words may not be received, as Jesus says in Matthew 7:6.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744573339815252006-12-21T17:42:00.001-06:002006-12-21T17:42:00.001-06:00Hebrews 12.6For the Lord disciplines the one he lo...Hebrews 12.6<BR/>For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744494367657412006-12-21T17:41:00.000-06:002006-12-21T17:41:00.000-06:00Matthew 18:6, 19:14.v.6 "But if anyone causes one ...Matthew 18:6, 19:14.<BR/><BR/>v.6 "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."<BR/><BR/>v.14 "Jesus said, 'Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdon of heaven belongs to such as these.'"<BR/><BR/>What does these verses say about not harming children and how much children mean to Jesus? At the very least, those who hurt children or harbor those who hurt children should not be in pastorship or minstering. If you can't see this, than that's sad.Christian, Wife, Mother, Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637451986727537513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744209318098932006-12-21T17:36:00.002-06:002006-12-21T17:36:00.002-06:00The truth is sometimes shocking as we've all seen....The truth is sometimes shocking as we've all seen. You can't have your cake and eat it to. Either he is guilty of the sins many have laid out on this blog or he isn't. If he is he should not soon be restored to the position he still holds. Anyone willing to forgive and forget and continue to be led by a man who so frequently shows serious lack of judgment should do some serious praying about that situation. Again just my opinions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744182290328342006-12-21T17:36:00.001-06:002006-12-21T17:36:00.001-06:00Just because we forgive SG doesn't mean we are obl...Just because we forgive SG doesn't mean we are obligated to allow him to stay as our pastor.<BR/><BR/>Are you saying we are?Christian, Wife, Mother, Housewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637451986727537513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1166744181917317292006-12-21T17:36:00.000-06:002006-12-21T17:36:00.000-06:00Custos said... MABTS meeting at 2 today dealing wi...Custos said... <BR/>MABTS meeting at 2 today dealing with Dr Spradlin. I'm hearing that David Perdue orchistrated it and was wanting to push Spradlin out. <BR/><BR/> The royalty at BBC are weighing in to save their positions and that of their savior. All that comes to mind is "Get thee behind me Satan".<BR/><BR/>"I pray they are rebuked in Jesus' name.MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.com