tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post116378357242780146..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Another New Financial ThreadNew BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger292125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163885437848750542006-11-18T15:30:00.000-06:002006-11-18T15:30:00.000-06:00vvAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163869040766943142006-11-18T10:57:00.000-06:002006-11-18T10:57:00.000-06:00ATTENTION PLEASE! TIME TO TIE A KNOT IN THIS ONE. ...ATTENTION PLEASE! TIME TO TIE A KNOT IN THIS ONE. PLEASE GO TO THE "YET ANOTHER NEW FINANCIAL THREAD" TO CONTINUE.<BR/><BR/>Thank you.<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163864558104957992006-11-18T09:42:00.000-06:002006-11-18T09:42:00.000-06:00stillwaitingandwatching said... By George, I think...stillwaitingandwatching said...<BR/> <BR/>By George, I think I've got it.....<BR/><BR/>βhis007 and Cary won't answer the $25,000 question because it just came out and the deacons, staff, committees, janitors, and church mice haven't gotten their talking points on this issue yet. Seems like BBC needs to set up a hotline so they can get up to speed quicker.β <BR/><BR/>----<BR/><BR/>Close, but actually it's worse than that. Why would you need to prepare everyone (talking points) for a great decision like giving the money to the church β don't you see, they think it was a good idea. That's why they did it. That's why there's no one prepared to defend it.<BR/><BR/>We are unequally yoked in many ways here. The methods, that are driven by values, principles and convictions are not the same as those of us that are expressing concerns - thus the expression of concern. They don't get. They truly believe what they did was wise and right. That is why the staff, deacons, etc have not been alerted or prepared YET for a response. They anticipated a "good job" response. <BR/><BR/>Again, the big problem is that these two groups do not share some of the same critical values and convictions. Think of the followers as neutral. The are simply trained to follow the leader - and they are doing so. And unfortunately when the leader, as any leader anywhere, makes a bad move the followers are not grounded, convectional, and strong of heart to stand and not bow. <BR/><BR/>Now, we've seen that many people are identifying and standing on their convictions. Many are finding that it's not so hard after all to take a stand β but I also think many of us are babes in this ring and just now learning to stand for what we believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163860481738520172006-11-18T08:34:00.000-06:002006-11-18T08:34:00.000-06:00Thank you for your post workshipper. We all need a...Thank you for your post workshipper. We all need a miracle for SG to resign. Can those of us reading these posts determine to pray for God to remove him? It's our only hope. We can never convince the hisservants of the world because they can't see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163839575131674152006-11-18T02:46:00.000-06:002006-11-18T02:46:00.000-06:00Maybe a cheerleader missionary team? I think we c...Maybe a cheerleader missionary team? I think we could work with this. Poms for Jesus!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163838899300838652006-11-18T02:34:00.000-06:002006-11-18T02:34:00.000-06:00stillwaitingI guess we could have used that $25,00...stillwaiting<BR/><BR/>I guess we could have used that $25,000 to buy 22 more cheerleader trips instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836973940576312006-11-18T02:02:00.000-06:002006-11-18T02:02:00.000-06:00tim: are you going to admit to everyone why you d...tim: are you going to admit to everyone why you deleted several of your own posts??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836911189408822006-11-18T02:01:00.000-06:002006-11-18T02:01:00.000-06:00LOL! Workshipper, I think you posted that comment...LOL! Workshipper, I think you posted that comment before. <BR/><BR/>Except for the part of Gaines' resignation.<BR/><BR/>I would like to add, as the Bible clearly teaches, that our economy is not the same as the Lord's. Things can get mighty uncomfortable for someone who's on the receiving end of the Lord's wrath. Then again, to be on the receiving end of God's mercy is a place where miracles occur as well. I know this, because I received his mercy :)<BR/><BR/>What do I expect will happen? Has anyone seen Facing the Giants? I'm praying and preparing for rain. When it comes? That's not my job to know.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Vengeance is Mine, saith the Lord. I will repay<BR/><BR/>For our God is a consuming fire.<BR/><BR/>Is His arm too short that it cannot save?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836758635309692006-11-18T01:59:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:59:00.000-06:00my point was very simple and you can make it into ...my point was very simple and you can make it into whatever you want. i know you will anyway. I do not feel that I should have to answer any of your questions, jump through hoops, or anything else to earn your respect. <BR/><BR/>i respect you and do not ask you to do something special for me before I can. <BR/><BR/>again, make of it what you will. <BR/><BR/>i guess I did not communicate my feelings well and I am sorry for that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836656695494052006-11-18T01:57:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:57:00.000-06:00SW&W & NASS,It has been a most enjoyable evening....SW&W & NASS,<BR/><BR/>It has been a most enjoyable evening. I certainly hope that the remenant of deacons with good sense will be able to get us back to the Bellevue that we are supposed to be.<BR/><BR/>And I pray that if we have any deacons with drinking problems that they will repent and turn from the bottle to God.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836528435676692006-11-18T01:55:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:55:00.000-06:00Yes, I'm with "charis." Well, not really with cha...Yes, I'm with "charis." Well, not really <I>with</I> charis, but I'm outta here for the night. Hold down the fort, Toolman. 'Night, Mr. Deacon!<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836387336933902006-11-18T01:53:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:53:00.000-06:00Let's take a look at where we think things are hea...Let's take a look at where we think things are headed, shall we? That might be a title for a new thread.<BR/><BR/>It should be obvious to everyone that the leadership of the church is either going to "circle the wagons" and downplay the significance of the numerous questions that have been generated or they are going to try to answer the various questions being thrown at them as best they can. To be fair, many in leadership don't have the answers to a lot of the questions that are being asked of them. They will have to depend on truthful answers from many people who may be unwilling to share what they know. <BR/><BR/>If Dr. Whitmire and others have been treated with little or no respect, this should be dealt with SOON, while there is still time to make amends. It may be too late.<BR/><BR/>And,if this was done to his family, was it done to other staff who moved on as well? <BR/><BR/>Even if there is no such gesture of genuine repentance from the administration, be sure that "God cannot be mocked, What a man sows, that shall he also reap." Maybe some folks will reap what they have sown. <BR/><BR/>The reason that Dr. Rogers was so loved by me and so many others was that he always treated others with respect and dignity on a consistent basis. As a result, he was rewarded with respect in return. That kind of respect cannot be bought with money, numerical success, or talent.<BR/><BR/>There is no doubt that following a man of Dr. Roger's stature and maturity, combined with the kinds of leadership traits, personal skills, and humble compassion for others which he possessed, could never be an easy task. Not to mention that Dr. Rogers could really knock the ball over the fence from the pulpit, too!!!<BR/><BR/>My prediction is that Dr. Gaines will remain the Pastor at Bellevue for as long as he wishes. He has the support of those he really needs. (Making the church's payroll or paying the light bill won't be much of a problem with the millions of dollars in the bank, either.) <BR/><BR/>For those who seek another man to fill the pulpit at Bellevue, I think you will be increasingly disappointed as you continue to attend a church where you dislike the pastor. <BR/><BR/>I may be wrong, though. It looks like you'll need at least fifty percent of your leadership to "dethrone the human king." If you are patient enough, Dr. Gaines might resign out of frustration.<BR/><BR/>In the event he doesn't, at least you have choices. With churches on every corner, when church-goers get upset enough, they find that God can be worshipped elsewhere. They even find that they enjoy it better where they admire and like the Pastor. <BR/><BR/>I would never tell anyone to leave a church, but I know for myself, if I could not look upon my Pastor with a great deal of respect, I would at least have to consider worshipping elsewhere, and I'm sure many are thinking about it.<BR/><BR/>May God bless each one of you as you follow HIS direction in this and all matters, no matter what men may say.<BR/><BR/>P.S. Based on your beliefs right now, what chance do you think there is of Dr. Gaines' resigning from Bellevue within the next ten years??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836283588953992006-11-18T01:51:00.002-06:002006-11-18T01:51:00.002-06:00hisservant,It is good that the people important to...hisservant,<BR/><BR/>It is good that the people important to you respect you.<BR/><BR/>You are fairly new to this blogging stuff aren't you.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836283022588752006-11-18T01:51:00.001-06:002006-11-18T01:51:00.001-06:00I repeat, Mr. Deacon sir, I didn't see any "hate f...I repeat, Mr. Deacon sir, I didn't see any "hate filled" posts from Tim. For the sake of saving space in these increasingly long comments pages, I've been periodically removing the notations that say, "Comment has been deleted by author." I'm sure others have done the same with their own comments. If, when you delete a comment, you'll check the little box underneath that says "Remove forever?" it won't leave that "trail." I didn't remove any of Tim's comments other than one tonight which I edited something out of and reposted it for him (since he was reportedly stuffing himself at dinner). If any of Tim's other comments were removed, it was by Tim. I've only cleaned up the litter that's left after people delete their own posts.<BR/><BR/>NBBCOFNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836264956362412006-11-18T01:51:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:51:00.000-06:00The Lord who watches over Israel never slumbers or...The Lord who watches over Israel never slumbers or sleeps... <BR/><BR/>but I do :)<BR/><BR/>Goodnight "toolman"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836164487981852006-11-18T01:49:00.001-06:002006-11-18T01:49:00.001-06:00tim: my posts speak for themselves. some of the ...tim: my posts speak for themselves. some of the more decent people on "your side" of the issues know that. I posted things today and shed light on things that had never been talked about on here. many claim to have just heard of some of the issues that came up today. I have known for a good while about everything. to me it is not about who knows what. i want no credit for anything i just want the rumors to stop and for people to get the answers they want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163836051828087442006-11-18T01:47:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:47:00.000-06:00charis,Exactly! God did do that to Israel. God is...charis,<BR/><BR/>Exactly! God did do that to Israel. God is in control of this situation as well, whether any of us believe it or not. It is true.<BR/><BR/>We are being put thru a fire and it has been pretty surprising to see the things that are burning away. We have found sin in our pulpit, sin in our staff, sin in our deacon body. It is my belief that God is working on purging our church and I do believe that if it can not be purged, he will destroy it.<BR/><BR/>There are many details that will have to be worked out, but that is ok as well God is in control of the details. God did not call us to figure it all out and then act. He called us to act. He already has it figured out.<BR/><BR/>It is late and I am tired. Perhaps we can talk more on these things tomorrow.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163835721739172532006-11-18T01:42:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:42:00.000-06:00trust me, I have the "respect" of all the importan...trust me, I have the "respect" of all the important people in my life. that is all that matters to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163835549991283402006-11-18T01:39:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:39:00.000-06:00Suppose, just suppose, that a vote is taken and Dr...Suppose, just suppose, that a vote is taken and Dr. Gaines is asked to leave, or if he should decide to resign,<BR/><BR/> how would the current staff issues be addressed (AKA- Mark D and those who approve of wounding the sheep) ? <BR/><BR/>Is anyone willing to stand?<BR/><BR/>Is it too late?<BR/><BR/>There does not HAVE to be a Bellevue at all. If we as a church do not repent of sin, there won't be much of Bellevue left. <BR/><BR/>The Lord says "I will build My church." Current attitudes are contrary to scripture. The Lord wiped Isreal out over and over in the Old Testament, leaving only a remnant. If He did that to His chosen people, why not Bellevue?<BR/><BR/>And what, o man, doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy God. <BR/><BR/>May the Lord of Hosts have mercy on usAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163835529876585092006-11-18T01:38:00.001-06:002006-11-18T01:38:00.001-06:00tim posted: This has been happening for the past 3...tim posted: This has been happening for the past 3 days with hisservant. He has constantly been baiting people into arguing, mainly about nothing. Obviously, from the reactions between the two of them (hisservant & cary) they decided to show up here late this evening and stir up some trouble. Trouble is that it turned upon their own heads. Nothing at all political about it. I will discuss seriously with those that want to. However, for those that want to play games, that can be done also.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>REPLY: so where did your hate filled posts go Tim?? also, I thought if someone removed their own posts it stated that. your posts are gone?? where? NBBCOF I thought you never saw them? <BR/><BR/>if your posts remained, they would prove that I started nothing with you. actually, if you look at the posts above, I never posted anything toward you until posted to me and I responded. <BR/><BR/>all my posts are here and i have never deleted one. i have nothing to hide, unlike youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163835497111763502006-11-18T01:38:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:38:00.000-06:00I find it incredible that you could possibly compl...I find it incredible that you could possibly complain about personal attacks. Have you went back and read your posts? Honestly, you have accused everyone that post. Now, if you would like to qualify yourself as someone that knows something and present some creditials, perhaps we could talk, but otherwise it seems that you have no reason to be here other than imploy the rope-a-dope strategy.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163835221048653942006-11-18T01:33:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:33:00.000-06:00hisservant wrote:"i am far from a meltdown."Good. ...hisservant wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"i am far from a meltdown."</I><BR/><BR/>Good. But are you a deacon?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163835063570940642006-11-18T01:31:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:31:00.000-06:00my posts and the way I have handled the personal a...my posts and the way I have handled the personal attacks etc are able to be read. i am far from a meltdown. <BR/><BR/>so you defend Tim or anyone else posting hate filled posts with personal attacks?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163835052638128762006-11-18T01:30:00.000-06:002006-11-18T01:30:00.000-06:00charis,I wish that I had the answers to your quest...charis,<BR/><BR/>I wish that I had the answers to your questions. That is something that we are working on. I am not expecting for the leadership to call a business meeting any time in the near future, because they truly do not want anymore coming into the light than what has already.<BR/><BR/>stick with us here and we should have a few things worked out shortly.<BR/>thanks.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979928660354074303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1163834807383959122006-11-18T01:26:00.001-06:002006-11-18T01:26:00.001-06:00What exactly is the procedure? Does the congregat...What exactly is the procedure? Does the congregation's vote count? Who can call a business meeting? Anyone? Or only the pastor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com