tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post116176404784279381..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Welcome to the "New" BBC Open ForumNew BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1162401012695343612006-11-01T11:10:00.000-06:002006-11-01T11:10:00.000-06:00NOBBCCOF,One more question - if you or any one els...NOBBCCOF,<BR/>One more question - if you or any one else knows - How many other BFC teachers have been removed?MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1162400891605597832006-11-01T11:08:00.000-06:002006-11-01T11:08:00.000-06:00NOBBCF, Thanks for your prompt reply (I wish we c...NOBBCF,<BR/> Thanks for your prompt reply (I wish we could get that all the time:))<BR/> I had just heard the info on Mr. Saba, and I wondered if it was true and apparently it is. I am wondering if he will ever get a meeting with Steve Gaines at all? Maybe the man is too busy right now?? I cannot see any other reason, but it looks like he would go ahead and schedule it, even if it is next year?MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1162341981556456382006-10-31T18:46:00.000-06:002006-10-31T18:46:00.000-06:00mom4,Mr. Saba was removed from his position about ...mom4,<BR/><BR/>Mr. Saba was removed from his position about a month ago after two staff ministers, Mark Gates and Larry Ray, came to see him and informed him he could no longer teach his class. He said he asked them who had sent them, and they reportedly replied they had come on their own. He said that after a lengthy conversation with Harry Smith after church the next Sunday evening that a day or so later one of the above mentioned ministers called and informed him "they" said he could return to teaching his class at least until a meeting he had requested between him and Dr. Gaines could be arranged which "they" said might take a while. He said it wasn't clear to him just who "they" were, as he said he'd been told before that the two were there on their own. As far as I know he's still teaching his class and waiting on the meeting to be scheduled.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1162334245018090352006-10-31T16:37:00.000-06:002006-10-31T16:37:00.000-06:00OK, here is another question. I am having a hard ...OK, here is another question. I am having a hard time getting answers these days.<BR/>Does anyone know if Ray Saba has been removed from his BFC class?<BR/>I have been told that he was advised that he could no longer teach his class???MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1162016208619697542006-10-28T01:16:00.000-05:002006-10-28T01:16:00.000-05:00Just that, implying no disrespect towards you (suc...Just that, implying no disrespect towards you (such as inferred when people say "if you don't like it here, you can leave"), reading the comments in this forum seemed to be causing you some distress, and that since no one was <I>forcing</I> you to read them, you may want to consider not reading them. I'm sorry if you misunderstood. I thought I was being clear.<BR/><BR/>Were you able to find your old messages? Last I checked they were all still there in another thread.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1162009462588884662006-10-27T23:24:00.000-05:002006-10-27T23:24:00.000-05:00lw wrote:"You deleted a non-offensive post, so it'...lw wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"You deleted a non-offensive post, so it's hard to accept that you wouldn't have done it before. (Yet you accuse others of being one sided.)</I><BR/><BR/>When exactly did <I>I</I> accuse anyone in particular of being one-sided? I've seen a lot of "one-sided" people -- on <I>both</I> "sides" of the fence, but people from both "sides" have been free to post their opinions here. That's why it was originally called the "BBC <I>Open</I> Forum." It's the "<I>New</I> BBC Open Forum" now because I thought retaining the name would provide for continuity from the old BBCOF which was "moderated" by someone else who is still anonymous to me.<BR/><BR/>As for deleted posts, believe what you want, but I haven't deleted but one post (other than a few of my own, and only then for editing purposes) except your last one. If you'll look through all the comments in all the threads, there's only one that says, <I>"This post has been removed by the <B>blog administrator</B>."</I> I didn't write that there. It's generated by the system if I delete someone else's post. All the other deleted posts say, <I>"This post has been removed by <B>the author</B>."</I> You posted comments in more than one thread. How many comments did you post? Could you be looking for them in the wrong thread?<BR/><BR/>Your last post in this thread was deemed "offensive" and removed because you had already been corrected by several people and then reposted the same false information. Note that I left in all your other posts (which were in a different thread) and quoted your last one in my response, so it's still there for the record. <BR/><BR/><I>Besides, if you deleted everything that wasn't correct, most of your blog would be gone by now."</I><BR/><BR/>Your opinion, and you're entitled to it.<BR/><BR/>Much of what is posted here is people's <I>opinions</I>. You may not agree with someone's <I>opinion</I>, but you can at least be civil in your responses.<BR/><BR/>What you stated as fact (that the owner of www.joshmanning.com is the same as the Josh Manning from Bellevue) was just plain false. Why, after several people pointed this out, would you repost the same information as fact?<BR/><BR/><I>"Why is the West Jackson quote on the site? Answer me, please. Why is Josh trying to trick people into thinking Dr. Gaines said that about Bellevue when he most certainly did not? Deliberate deception is not acceptable. Speaking of Dr. Gaines, why doesn't Josh use common courtesy and call our pastor by his title, instead of just 'Gaines'? Is that appropriate?"</I><BR/><BR/>Let me address your questions one by one.<BR/><BR/>1. Which West Jackson quote are you referring to? If it was the one by "carolyn," she removed that herself. Personally, I'm glad she did, but that was her decision.<BR/><BR/>2. What exactly is Josh Manning trying to "trick" people into thinking Dr. Gaines said? You're right that "deliberate deception isn't acceptable." I couldn't agree more. But wait. Isn't that what <I>you</I> were doing when you twice accused Bellevue's Josh Manning of being the "self-promoting, egomaniac" of www.joshmanning.com?<BR/><BR/>3. I think you must be referring to the use of "Gaines" on the savingbellevue.com site in referring to Dr. Steve Gaines. And you know what? That's made me uncomfortable all along, and I <I>don't</I> think it's appropriate. If you'll look through all the comments I left on the original BBC Open Forum site (I'm "notastepfordsheep" and "New BBC Open Forum," not "BBC Open Forum") as well as every time I've mentioned his name on this site, I've ALWAYS referred to him as either "Dr. Gaines" or "Steve Gaines," usually the former. I agree that calling him just "Gaines" seems disrespectful. Of course, you'll probably say <I>any</I> discussion of Dr. Gaines is disrespectful, and apparently nothing I say is going to change your mind about that, so I won't try.<BR/><BR/>And just FYI, Josh Manning has absolutely <I>nothing</I> to do with the savingbellevue.com site, nor do I. The link for Josh's blog, which he hasn't updated in nearly two weeks, is in the sidebar on the front page of this blog and is entitled, <I>"Who Watches the Watchmen? - Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?"</I> I can't remember a single instance of him referring to Dr. Gaines as "Gaines" or saying any of the other things you credit him with. In fact, I always found Mr. Manning to be quite respectful of everyone he mentioned, and he even managed to remain respectful towards Mr. Weatherwax, the Bellevue minister who blasted him in two scathing letters.<BR/><BR/><I>"What does the "High-Tech Article" add to his case? All it does is promote the website. It looks to me like Josh is just drawing attention to himself."</I><BR/><BR/>Again, that article is on the savingbellevue.com site which neither Josh Manning nor I have anything whatsoever to do with. Please get your facts straight before hurling accusations.<BR/><BR/><I>"If you really want to be part of those changes, you need to stop the tabloid hearsay strategy already.</I> <BR/><BR/>I certainly don't agree with all the comments people have written in this space, and I haven't cared for the tone of some of those comments, but I've tried to give people the opportunity to handle whatever differences they may have without my interference. This "blog" is not about me. I'm only providing a place for people who are interested to discuss the issues facing Bellevue now. I don't have a "strategy," tabloid, hearsay, or otherwise.<BR/><BR/>With all due respect, no one is forcing you to read anything in this forum or to participate.<BR/><BR/>Now, did I adequately address all your questions?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161990705197222082006-10-27T18:11:00.000-05:002006-10-27T18:11:00.000-05:00LW wrote: Why do my posts keep disappearing???We s...LW wrote:<BR/> <BR/><I>Why do my posts keep disappearing???<BR/><BR/>We should all visit www.joshmanning.com to see the kind of person we're dealing with.<BR/><BR/>Looks like a self-promoting, egomaniac to me.</I><BR/><BR/>lw,<BR/><BR/>NO ONE (and I'm the only one besides you with that power) has deleted any of your posts or anyone else's unless the authors chose to delete their own posts. HOWEVER, you have been informed by several other posters that the Josh Manning of www.joshmanning.com is NOT the Josh Manning from Bellevue.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, your last post (quoted above) has now been deleted. Please don't force me to do that again. I am leaving your previous posts since others answered and clarified the situation.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161976376746590782006-10-27T14:12:00.000-05:002006-10-27T14:12:00.000-05:00NBBCOF, You are hilarious! Btw, where do we find b...NBBCOF,<BR/> You are hilarious! Btw, where do we find burkas in Memphis? I will put them on my daughters and a few others. <BR/>When they were in high school and attending BBC, they had the same BFC teacher. One Sunday at the beginning of the year, the BFC had sort of an open house where the parents visited the class. At that time my girls were pushing shorter skirts and multiple piercings in their ears (I am thankful it was just the ears!).<BR/>When we got to the open house, lo and behold, their teacher had on a mini skirt and several piercings in her ears. She sat down right across from my husband and my CHILDREN watched his face turn red and he diverted his eyes and then got up and left. My girls dropped out of BFC and never went back, with our blessings. They are good children and have never been in trouble. They love the Lord and are dedicated to Him. They read their bibles and attend worship services with us. So I guess we did ok raising them as they are now young adults serving the Lord.<BR/>My point is this - there have been unholy distractions for quite a while now - this was several years ago. There is nothing new under the sun as far as men go, but there is definitely a new day when you cannot sit in the worship service with your sons and husbands and not be concerned about what they see. Things are sounding more like FEDEX Forum more and more each day!MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161963312257484552006-10-27T10:35:00.000-05:002006-10-27T10:35:00.000-05:00"...the music made some of the sisters move in sen...<I>"...the music made some of the sisters move in sensuous ways that caused my thoughts to be less than holy and I was sure single and divorced/widowed men around me had the same problem."</I><BR/><BR/>Wonder what the <I>married</I> guys think?<BR/><BR/><I>"...but I do wish the women who dress like that would keep in mind what it's like for us as men."</I><BR/><BR/>I think I'm going to start sitting on the back row and wearing a burka!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161956086198373352006-10-27T08:34:00.000-05:002006-10-27T08:34:00.000-05:00Mr. Ellis, thank you for your response, sir.--Mike...Mr. Ellis, thank you for your response, sir.<BR/><BR/>--Mike<BR/><BR/>P.S.: Yes, I got your initial gag, Jimmy. Nicely done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161951893051673002006-10-27T07:24:00.000-05:002006-10-27T07:24:00.000-05:00Mike,I didn't take away from Mr Ellis' remarks tha...Mike,<BR/>I didn't take away from Mr Ellis' remarks that he was blaming anyone for any sinful thoughts he may have had. In fact I think he made a good point. God created men in a way that we're visually wired..and He formed women in a way that is appealing to the male eye. Unfortunately the fall has turned those facts into a struggle. If we as men weren't wired as such, the pornographers and the Madison Ave marketers wouldn't be so successful. Does the fact that our basic wiring is constantly being exploited, and we are constantly being bombarded with images that seek to appeal to the purient interest for profit excuse us if we sin in our thoughts?..absolutely not. But God will not hold the one doing the tempting guiltless either. As men we have enough to deal with concerning these issues outside the church. Some of the Godliest men I know have expressed to me how much they wished that some of the women in church would dress more modestly. I've stood in church many times with young women standing directly in front of me with tight, form-fitting clothes that leave little to the imagination...add to that swaying their hips to the rhythm of the music...well all I can say is, the only way you can avoid it is to stand with your eyes closed. And though not every man would want to admit it...I think most know what I'm talking about. I don't excuse my own sinful thoughts when they occur..but I do wish the women who dress like that would keep in mind what it's like for us as men.<BR/><BR/>Mike...no relation to allof oyle..although I've been referred to as OliveGraze a few times..you may call me that if you like...or just Jimmy..or anything actually..as long as you call me for dinner. Btw...the #2 of the comment you're referring to was actually intended as a little humor which I thought you might catch...seeing that terms like "you people" might be construed as a "hate crime" in the age of litigation. A little humor from time to time helps break the tension...certainly not trying to take away from the seriousness of all this.allofgracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17921293650166207560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161929600590201012006-10-27T01:13:00.000-05:002006-10-27T01:13:00.000-05:00Apologies for the late response..."allofgrace said...Apologies for the late response...<BR/><BR/>"allofgrace said... <BR/>Mike,<BR/>If I may call you Mike?"<BR/><BR/>By all means. May I call you "allof"?<BR/><BR/>(Any relation to Allof Oyl, by the way?)<BR/><BR/>"1)What sin did Mr Ellis blame someone else for?..i must have missed it."<BR/><BR/>Mr. Ellis blames others for sins in his thought life. I quote him thusly, and like so (emphasis mine):<BR/><BR/><I>I told him my wife and I sat in the back of the Church, that the music made some of the sisters move in sensuous ways <B>that caused my thoughts to be less than holy</B> and I was sure single and divorced/widowed men around me had the same problem. I told him I’d talked with a staff about this and his response was for me to just move down to the front row. I told him that would not work because that would just move me closer to the stage jukers who were worse than the sisters.</I> <BR/><BR/>If you'd like to read the rest of his comment, it's in the "Holy Land tours" section.<BR/><BR/>"2)I would never call you the devil, however I take exception to being referred to as 'you people'."<BR/><BR/>How about "you folks"? "Youse guys"? Perhaps "y'all"?<BR/><BR/>"3)I'ts pseudononymous..and it's Bellevue.<BR/><BR/>ok the last one was just a little humor I thought you might appreciate."<BR/><BR/>Absolutely! Sometimes the internal spell-check goes offline, and sometimes I just plain can't type.<BR/><BR/>--MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161901937588344072006-10-26T17:32:00.000-05:002006-10-26T17:32:00.000-05:00Please let me clarify something I wrote earlier. ...Please let me clarify something I wrote earlier. I wrote: "Let me just say that not one comment has been deleted from this forum."<BR/><BR/>What I should have said was I have not used my moderator position to delete anyone's comment. Any deleted comments have been deleted by their authors of their own free will.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161892413655298382006-10-26T14:53:00.000-05:002006-10-26T14:53:00.000-05:00Thank you, bell22. You wrote: "Sorry about the que...<I>Thank you, bell22. You wrote: "Sorry about the question to Mike Bratton i was not trying to bait him it was a honest question , which he did not answer."<BR/><BR/>I thought it was a good question, too, but I really didn't expect to see an answer either.</I><BR/><BR/>If you say it wasn't "bait," fine, it wasn't bait. Nevertheless, to answer the question with specifics would be to travel down the same anti-Bellevue path a few folks feel they should traverse. <BR/><BR/>Any concerns or questions I've had over the years--and there have been more than a couple, you might be surprised to know--are ones I've taken through the appropriate channels, following the Biblical template. Sometimes, I've received an answer with which I agreed; sometimes, I received an answer that, frankly, concerned me. But I <I>never</I> broadcast any disagreement on any issue via whisper, letter, phone call, or website.<BR/><BR/>And neither should any of you. Not because I say so, but because it's a violation of Scripture.<BR/><BR/>--MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161885416996015742006-10-26T12:56:00.000-05:002006-10-26T12:56:00.000-05:00Gardendale FBC is indeed a member of Willowcreek a...Gardendale FBC is indeed a member of Willowcreek and so is Germantown BC and Hope Pres. There are a lot of others that I was not aware of and I question a New Testament Church church supporting their cause. If BBC joined because of the Music Department's concern over copyright infringement, why not just pay the royalties and get the music like we always did? Someone please explain why there was a need to join Willow Creek?MOM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/05135604848649554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161884838241507892006-10-26T12:47:00.000-05:002006-10-26T12:47:00.000-05:00Let me just say that not one comment has been dele...Let me just say that not one comment has been deleted from this forum. It is "new" in the sense that it is merely a continuation of the original Open BBC Forum. It is "open" in the sense that people with varying opinions can and do post comments and have discussions. No one is making you read it. To paraphrase something I've heard tossed around with abandon of late, "If you don't like what you read, you are welcome to leave." Thank you to the vast majority, whatever your viewpoints, for keeping the level of discourse civil and respectful.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161882514235116942006-10-26T12:08:00.000-05:002006-10-26T12:08:00.000-05:00There is nothing "new" or "open" about this forum....<I>There is nothing "new" or "open" about this forum.<BR/><BR/>Sure, anyone can post, but arrogance, slander, and name-calling is permissable as long as you don't agree with Steve Gaines or Mike Bratton.<BR/><BR/>Does your call for humility extend to yourselves as well?<BR/><BR/>Come on, people, let's stop this mess. </I><BR/><BR/>No one is deleting posts that make a clear argument for their position - from either side. State your case effectively and persuasivly and you will win in the marketplace of ideas. That is why this place is both open and new. You are free to stay and speak or leave. Your choice.<BR/><BR/>I quit reading the bully because he spews sarcasm, bitterness and hostility. He can deny it all he wants but I can read and see it for what it is. That is my opinion of his written word. He has earned his reputation. Others can form their own opinion.<BR/><BR/>Posters like <B>josh, allofgrace and MKW</B> post civil and thoughtful arguments that deserve a reading. That should be the standard.<BR/><BR/>Most people know how to “disagree without being disagreeable”<BR/><BR/>gnats - it <B>is</B> an open forum and you are here by choice. Instead of griping and telling us to leave why not tell us why you think Dr. Gaines' comments were not arrogant and he was not making fun of the BBC congrgation in Union City. <BR/><BR/>How do <B>you</B> see it and why?GBC_Memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01041872059042542972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161876589707233552006-10-26T10:29:00.000-05:002006-10-26T10:29:00.000-05:00Thank you, bell22. You wrote: "Sorry about the qu...Thank you, bell22. You wrote: "Sorry about the question to Mike Bratton i was not trying to bait him it was a honest question , which he did not answer."<BR/><BR/>I thought it was a good question, too, but I really didn't expect to see an answer either.<BR/><BR/>Scroll on... and pray, pray, pray.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161867446844072832006-10-26T07:57:00.000-05:002006-10-26T07:57:00.000-05:00elizabeth,It's true that all too often, in the mid...elizabeth,<BR/>It's true that all too often, in the midst of problems and confusion, we take our eyes off our God. We can't possibly see all that God is doing in this..but perhaps we can learn something from Job..and the nation of Israel.<BR/>God never gave His reasons for what He allowed satan to do to Job. What he experienced, few, if any of us could hardly imagine. But we do know that in the end...God was glorified..and Job was purified..Job came to a deeper understanding of God than he'd known before. God proved that He is the Omnipotent One, who raises up and tears down..all for His purposes.<BR/>Before Israel entered the promised land He warned them...that when they were in the land..and their fields and vineyards were bearing fruit, and their numbers multiplying, and they prospered like sleek cows..not to forget their God...we know how that story goes...and Israel suffered as a result.<BR/>I don't pretend to know what all God is doing at Bellevue in this or why. And this should drive us all to our knees in humble self examination. This much is certain from the scriptures...God will finish what he began in us as individuals and as a corporate body..conforming us to the image of Christ..sometimes that takes fine sandpaper...sometimes a hammer and a chisel..sometimes grinding us to a fine powder...but He WILL complete it...to His honor and glory.<BR/>Kingdoms and governments will rise and fall...philosophies and philosophers will come and go..this present order of things will pass away..and Bellevue could end up just a memory...but God was, is, and will always remain on His throne. <BR/>Some food for thought.allofgracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17921293650166207560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161864942953993212006-10-26T07:15:00.000-05:002006-10-26T07:15:00.000-05:00"Every time someone replies to him (and I've seen ..."Every time someone replies to him (and I've seen some very good replies and even made a few myself), he's just going to counterattack, retreat to his own little world for a while, only to emerge again a few hours or a day or so later, more bitter sounding and vitriolic than ever. I just don't see it going anywhere but downhill if people continue to engage in these exchanges with him. As I said, if he could play well with others there would be no problem, but he's proven he can't (or won't). He's like the big bully that always has to get in the last word, so why not just let him?"<BR/><BR/>"New" BBC "Open" Forum?<BR/><BR/>What, exactly, is "new" about it?<BR/><BR/>Evidently, just the name.<BR/><BR/>--MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161842796843766242006-10-26T01:06:00.000-05:002006-10-26T01:06:00.000-05:00I moved my family to Bellevue precisely because it...I moved my family to Bellevue precisely because it was NOT a seeker-sensitive congregation. After attending such a church for a short time, we were starved for spiritual meat. I wanted my children to have the Bible training I had as a child and I knew they would not get it if we stayed there. I enjoyed the cappuccino and occasional James Taylor song (hey, we got Harry Chapin last Sunday) during the worship services. When I shared my concerns with the pastor. He kindly told me I had "outgrown" his church. Just think, it only took ten months for us to exceed the spiritual depth of the congregation. If only college had been so easy. <BR/><BR/>Is this what is happening at Bellevue? If yes, why didn't we get a say in this decision. If this is the path we are on, the Bellevue we love will never be the same.SallySherlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09450047456308052389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161842502849169532006-10-26T01:01:00.000-05:002006-10-26T01:01:00.000-05:00i love my church wrote:"Gardendale's First Baptist...i love my church wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Gardendale's First Baptist Church is indeed a member."<BR/><BR/>FWIW, so are Germantown Baptist, GT Methodist, and GT Presbyterian. So are a lot of other "big name" churches. Don't know what to make of it, if anything.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161841433058736702006-10-26T00:43:00.000-05:002006-10-26T00:43:00.000-05:00Gardendale's First Baptist Church is indeed a memb...Gardendale's First Baptist Church is indeed a member. Check it out for yourself at willowcreek.com.SallySherlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09450047456308052389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161839165889388802006-10-26T00:06:00.000-05:002006-10-26T00:06:00.000-05:00Someone told me their hairdresser's nephew told th...Someone told me their hairdresser's nephew told them that they heard from someone's roomate's cousin's girlfriend that "someone" in the Music office signed Bellevue up with the Willow Creek Association in order to "get a discount on music". This was done with apparently no idea of the brouhaha it would cause, and once it was brought to light, Bellevue was quickly "unjoined". Who knows what the actual truth is here. I've been told that Gardendale is a member. If that's true, it would be interesting to know when they joined.Finance Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14495887075953523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-1161834003701599352006-10-25T22:40:00.000-05:002006-10-25T22:40:00.000-05:00i love my church wrote:"Bellevue was a member of t...i love my church wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Bellevue was a member of the Willow Creek Association, a group of like-minded churches. It is my understanding we resigned from that organization in August after this crisis began to become public. I don’t know when we joined. You will have to draw your own conclusions about why we joined and subsequently resigned."<BR/><BR/>Really? I seem to recall reading something about that but had forgotten. At the time I didn't know what the "Willow Creek Association" was, so it didn't mean anything. It would be very interesting to know just who decided Bellevue needed to be a part of this group, when we joined, and when we withdrew (and why). Anybody able to find that out?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.com