tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post1142785698579880860..comments2023-08-29T04:23:57.598-05:00Comments on New BBC Open Forum: Al Mohler Wakes Up... Finally!New BBC Open Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-39369996747329813432020-05-03T21:35:04.475-05:002020-05-03T21:35:04.475-05:00Eddie Struble information<br /><a href="http://newbbcopenforum.blogspot.com/2020/05/information.html" rel="nofollow">Eddie Struble information</a>New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-19516818791825673962012-11-18T17:05:59.657-06:002012-11-18T17:05:59.657-06:00Everyone, Al Mohler is a hypocrite and a phony who...Everyone, Al Mohler is a hypocrite and a phony who does not care about sex abuse in the SBC. Please read this article at the Wartburg Watch: http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/11/07/phillip-gunn-sbts-al-mohler-legal-rightmoral-right/<br /><br />Don't forget to follow the links to the sources it cites.Nicholasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-65346140958661201202012-03-20T15:36:30.944-05:002012-03-20T15:36:30.944-05:00These are real, too.
With the helpmeet...
Doin&#...These are real, too.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/Al%20Mohler%2004.jpg" rel="nofollow">With the helpmeet</a>...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/Al%20Mohler%2005.jpg" rel="nofollow">Doin' wimmin's work</a>!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/Al%20Mohler%2006.jpg" rel="nofollow">Moobs</a>!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-79222295307913929402012-03-20T15:22:26.185-05:002012-03-20T15:22:26.185-05:00Are those real pictures of Al Mohler?!
Yep, his d...<i>Are those real pictures of Al Mohler?!</i><br /><br />Yep, his daughter posted them on her Facebook page a few years ago.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-70295295137532808862012-03-20T14:21:23.003-05:002012-03-20T14:21:23.003-05:00Are those real pictures of Al Mohler?!Are those real pictures of Al Mohler?!Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-91451394572449258392011-11-27T20:57:20.589-06:002011-11-27T20:57:20.589-06:00Teacher, Pastors, Former Principal Arrested In Sex...<a href="http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/29796924/detail.html" rel="nofollow">Teacher, Pastors, Former Principal Arrested In Sex Assault Case</a><br /><br /><i><br />After a lengthy investigation, multiple interviews and search warrants, deputies said a grand jury indicted four people:<br /><br />A teacher at Hilltop Baptist School, 32-year-old Terah Allyn Rawlings, is charged with eight counts of sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust and obscenity-promotion.<br /><br />The senior pastor at Hilltop Baptist Church and former superintendent of Hilltop Baptist School, 63-year-old Franklin "Wayne" Knight, is charged with failure to report child abuse or neglect and accessory to a crime. Deputies said Knight is Rawlings' uncle.<br /><br />The associate pastor of Hilltop Baptist Church and former athletic director at Hilltop Baptist School, 57-year-old Raymond "Allen" Knight, is charged with failure to report child abuse or neglect. Deputies said he is Rawlings' father.<br /><br />The former principal of Hilltop Baptist School, 51-year-old Jan Ocvirk, is charged with failure to report child abuse or neglect.</i>Amynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-34816876333887492582011-11-26T23:56:32.060-06:002011-11-26T23:56:32.060-06:00We're making progress...
AlbertMohler.com >...We're making progress...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/2011/11/18/my-letter-to-the-southern-seminary-community-our-duty-to-report" rel="nofollow">AlbertMohler.com >> My Letter to the Southern Seminary Community: Our Duty to Report</a>New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-88412938690267392052011-11-23T18:14:17.180-06:002011-11-23T18:14:17.180-06:00If you've got the stomach for it, here is Greg...If you've got the stomach for it, here is Greg Belser's pastoral "momentary affliction" sermon that he preached at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.<br /><a href="http://www.sbts.edu/resources/chapel/by-the-mercy-of-god-we-endure-light-momentary-affliction/?play=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbts.edu/resources/chapel/by-the-mercy-of-god-we-endure-light-momentary-affliction/?play=true</a><br /><br />Why would Al Mohler, who TALKS as though he's so concerned about protecting kids, choose this moment in time to invite Morrison Heights' Greg Belser to deliver a sermon at SBTS's chapel? Maybe because it's really nothing but talk?Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-76148922311310505052011-11-22T13:10:28.396-06:002011-11-22T13:10:28.396-06:00How to protect your kids from pedophiles<a href="http://www.parenting.com/article/tips-child-sex-abuse-prevention?page=0,0" rel="nofollow">How to protect your kids from pedophiles</a>Amy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09238444710658478191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-44856611017544791752011-11-22T12:48:08.000-06:002011-11-22T12:48:08.000-06:00Jack Graham, Neal Jeffrey, and all at Prestonwood ...Jack Graham, Neal Jeffrey, and all at Prestonwood Baptist Church responsible for enabling predators (I personally know that they covered for and allowed other child sexual predators other than Langworthy to move on by failing to report them to the police), Greg Belser, all Morrison Heights Baptist Church elders, Phil Burchfield, and those at the Mississippi Department of Education who were warned about John Langworthy and failed to act need to read this:<br />Poignant thoughts on Penn State from a survivor of child sexual abuse:<br /><i>As outraged, triggered and tearful as I’ve been about this all week long, I actually think all of this could bring about some good. Hopefully, awareness will increase; more survivors will feel freer to seek healing; more predators will be hesitant to abuse.<br /><br />Most of all, I pray more children–even adult children–will be believed.<br /><br />And that men and women will rise up to fight for them.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://amysorrells.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/courage-and-sacrifice-about-the-invisible-normandy/" rel="nofollow">Courage and sacrifice: thoughts on an invisible Normandy</a>Amy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09238444710658478191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-78120097030361861752011-11-17T21:43:47.569-06:002011-11-17T21:43:47.569-06:00Here's a resemblance of David Coombs and Steve...Here's a resemblance of David Coombs and Steve Gaines discussing the firing of Joe Paterno <br /><br /><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-11/66008040.jpg" rel="nofollow">Should have sent him to another school (ie Church)</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-52228107950393008682011-11-17T21:41:31.127-06:002011-11-17T21:41:31.127-06:00Another one...
FOX News >> Syracuse Univers...Another one...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/17/syracuse-university-assistant-basketball-coach-accused-molesting-ball-boy" rel="nofollow">FOX News >> Syracuse University Assistant Basketball Coach Accused of Molesting Ball Boy</a><br /><br />The dominoes are tumbling, folks.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-43910409222938449182011-11-17T20:42:00.719-06:002011-11-17T20:42:00.719-06:00The New York Times: Internet posting helped Sandus...<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all?src=tp" rel="nofollow">The New York Times: Internet posting helped Sandusky investigators</a><br /><br /><i>A critical break in the investigation of Jerry Sandusky came via a posting on the Internet: a random mention that a Penn State football coach, years before, might have seen something ugly, but kept silent.</i>Amy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09238444710658478191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-3599317004120921792011-11-15T09:05:56.880-06:002011-11-15T09:05:56.880-06:00Please see the link and read this list alerting ki...Please see the link and read this list alerting kids and parents to the signs of a predator in action. These signs were there with John Langworthy. From the concerns I have heard voiced about Eddie Struble, the signs are there too.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.click2houston.com/news/Houston-experts-list-signs-of-a-child-predator/-/1735978/4756740/-/5pxpwhz/-/index.html" rel="nofollow">Houston experts list signs of a child predator:<br />Specific signs of predator's behavior</a><br /><br /><i>The Penn State University scandal has pushed one Houston advocate to list off the specific behavior that could point to a predator, Local 2 Investigates reported Monday.<br /><br />"Your best friend can be a predator to your child," said Paulette Everett Norman, founder of the McKay Foundation of Conroe.<br /><br />She has written several books and developed curriculum for schools on how to avoid predators, in response to the 1995 kidnapping and killing of her 12-year-old son McKay Everett at the hands of a family friend known as "Uncle Hilty."</i><br /><br /><i>"Most predators will abuse 40 to 50 children before they're ever exposed," Norman said.<br /><br />She said her most intense hope from the Penn State event is that parents and others will step forward to say something more quickly if they spot these signs of trouble in other kid's life, apart from their own families.</i>Amy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09238444710658478191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-38960119632766585152011-11-13T07:12:36.168-06:002011-11-13T07:12:36.168-06:00JohnWayneforPresident said...
"what changed a...JohnWayneforPresident said...<br />"what changed about Steve's world view that caused him to decide to fire PW when previously (before he thought no one else knew) he had no problem with allowing PW to remain on staff." <br /><br /><a href="http://ma-tvideo.france2.fr/video/iLyROoaf2-Sb.html" rel="nofollow">Steve's job is to cover sins (even now?)</a><br /><br />Paul Williams said he was sorry, so everything was hunky-dory for Stevie, so it became his job to cover Paul's sin (just kept him out of the childrens' department, so as not to tempt him )until it became a public liability. <br /><br />Remember Paul Williams was a/the victim here, as he had been victimize by his dad (and so on, and so on, all way back to Noah?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-79947097277685811082011-11-12T22:54:41.331-06:002011-11-12T22:54:41.331-06:00Among the very best of all that has been written o...Among the very best of all that has been written on the Penn State story, in the New York Times:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-devil-and-joe-paterno.html?_r=1&src=tp&smid=fb-share" rel="nofollow">The Devil and Joe Paterno</a><br /><br /><i>They believed in their church. They believed in their mission. And out of the temptation that comes only to the virtuous, they somehow persuaded themselves that protecting their institution’s various good works mattered more than justice for the children they were supposed to shepherd and protect.<br /><br />I suspect a similar instinct prompted the higher-ups at Penn State to basically ignore what they described as Jerry Sandusky’s “inappropriate conduct,” and persuaded Paterno that by punting the allegation to his superiors he had fulfilled his responsibility to the victimized child. He had so many important duties, after all, and so many people counting on him. And Sandusky had done so much good over the years ...<br /><br />The best piece about Darío Castrillón Hoyos was written by the Catholic essayist John Zmirak, and his words apply to Joe Paterno as well. Sins committed in the name of a higher good, Zmirak wrote, can “smell and look like lilies. But they flank a coffin. Lying dead and stiff inside that box is natural Justice ... what each of us owes the other in an unconditional debt.”<br /><br />No higher cause can trump that obligation — not a church, and certainly not a football program. And not even a lifetime of heroism can make up for leaving a single child alone, abandoned to evil, weeping in the dark.</i>Amy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09238444710658478191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-23409874558896192252011-11-12T20:57:07.873-06:002011-11-12T20:57:07.873-06:00Many of us couldn't.So we left. Many of us lef...Many of us couldn't.So we left. Many of us left the SBC churches all together.valarienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-50667809257252149412011-11-12T12:03:23.629-06:002011-11-12T12:03:23.629-06:00To Anonymous 9:48P.M.11/11/11,
I wanted to respon...To Anonymous 9:48P.M.11/11/11,<br /><br />I wanted to respond to your post regarding reasons why you felt BBC covered up the PW fiasco. First let me remind you that what it came down to was PW confessed to Steve Gaines that he sexually abused his son 17 or so years prior. The pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church had no problem with allowing a minister to remain on staff who sexually assaulted his own son. Forget about whether he was going to report this to the police. To Steve he had no problem with allowing him to continue in ministry. After this became public and after the resulting furor then Steve suddenly decided to put PW on leave while the investigative team went through the motions, and surprise surprise, after a careful investigation of the facts decided that PW had to go. <br /><br />My question to you and the members of BBC is what changed about Steve's world view that caused him to decide to fire PW when previously (before he thought no one else knew) he had no problem with allowing PW to remain on staff. That means Steve is either a liar (he really believes its OK to be in ministry and sexually abuse a child but says he does not believe this and therefore had to fire PW) or a hypocrite (he thought it was ok for PW to stay on staff but decided to fire him because of all the criticism). After all was said and done Steve Gaines never gave a reason why he thought it was ok to have a confessed pedophile continue as a minister at Bellevue.<br /><br />The fact that this happened 17 years ago is irrelevent. PW asked forgiveness from his son who was a CHILD at the time. What else was he supposed to do? Go to the then pastor or another adult and tell them his dad had sexually abused him? No it took 17 years for the child to become a man and then the matter could be resolved. That's what prompted the whole thing coming out.<br /><br />It does not matter who else knew about this on staff. Webb and Jamie should have had enough spiritual maturity to bring this to light, if nothing else to protect the children of BBC. If it had been Steve, Jamie, or Webb's sons who were sexually abused matters would have turned out differently. That's called a double standard. I see it every day in politics, the school system, and the corporate world. I never thought I would see it in my own church.<br /><br />In closing let me remind you of what sexual abuse is. There is no difference between what PW did to his own son and what the coach at Penn State did to those poor kids. If PW was sexually abused that does not justify what he did to his son. If the coach at Penn State was sexually abused are you also going to give him a free pass? What would you think of Joe Paterno if Sandusky went to him and told Paterno he had sexually assulted children, but they had forgiven him, and then Paterno did nothing except allow him to continue to use Penn State facilities anytime? Well that's the equivalent of what Steve Gaines did after PW confessed he had sexually abused his son. Steve had no problem with that as long as the victim had forgiven him. Members of Bellevue how can you justify this?JohnWayneforPresidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-41198239196434392552011-11-11T23:14:48.767-06:002011-11-11T23:14:48.767-06:00For anyone who would like to compare how a church ...For anyone who would like to compare how a church handles a pedophile vs how the people in Pennsylvania are handing their case, read this<br /><br /> Bellevue Baptist<br /><br />Investigative Team Report<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/Reports.pdf%22" rel="nofollow">Findings and Recommendations from <br />the Paul Williams Investigation </a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-47468011864690238352011-11-11T21:48:43.397-06:002011-11-11T21:48:43.397-06:00Other reasons why churches don't deal with thi...Other reasons why churches don't deal with this or Bellevues cover up: <br /><br />• Some witnesses felt that, because the molestation happened seventeen years ago, there had apparently been no reoccurrence over that time frame, and Paul’s employment record had been outstanding, there was no threat.<br /><br />• Some witnesses felt that, since Paul had confessed and asked forgiveness of his son, his wife, and the Lord, so it was “under the blood,” and there was no need to deal further with the issue.<br /><br />• Some witnesses noted that no one currently on staff had ever had to deal with this type of problem before.<br /><br />• There was a reliance on others that had knowledge of Paul’s history and the assumption that, if some action was needed, they would have taken corrective action.<br /><br />• There is a lack of policies, procedures, and training in dealing with issues of this type.<br /><br />• There was always a desire to keep the circle of knowledge as tight as possible to protect the family of the individual.<br /><br />"It should be noted that several witnesses, for reasons that were not entirely clear to the Team, <br /><br />declined to be interviewed. <br /><br />One witness would not agree to be interviewed except in a group setting. <br /><br />Ultimately, the Team felt that asking the questions it wished to ask could not be done properly and confidentially in such a group setting, and therefore, the Team decided not to interview this individual. Although the individual was a significant witness, the Team felt that the information this witness might have offered basically was corroborative of what other witnesses had stated. The absence of this interview was not a problem for the investigation."<br /><br />"Jamie Fish, of the Biblical Guidance office, and Webb Williams had knowledge and should have expressed concern. Some of these individuals, based on their training and experience, would have been in a position to express concern for the effects on the welfare of the church and any legal ramifications."<br /><br />"Paul Williams was sexually abused as a child, then he sexually abused his son. <br /><br />Paul is a victim, as is his son and the rest of the family.<br /><br /> Our laws require any individual to notify legal authority when they have knowledge of active abuse of a child. One could argue that this would leave no place for an individual to seek help. The safety and health of a child should be our primary concern, but we as a church need to be able to minister to all people. <br /><br />God’s Word says, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-15877077303394262652011-11-11T21:36:25.925-06:002011-11-11T21:36:25.925-06:00Ruth, why do you think ES is still not at Bellevue...Ruth, why do you think ES is still not at Bellevue (or SS and others)? They are hot potatoes that are passed along, just like the Catholic church did.<br /><br />No one wants to out them, it would hurt the image of the church that does.<br /><br />Parents needn't be concerned, as long as their children are not vulnerable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-54799635582466259152011-11-11T19:51:19.734-06:002011-11-11T19:51:19.734-06:00Thank you!Thank you!Ruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-65795249460868705122011-11-11T19:07:26.566-06:002011-11-11T19:07:26.566-06:00I didn't see an email for Amy.
spacecitysnap@...<i>I didn't see an email for Amy.</i><br /><br />spacecitysnap@gmail.comNew BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-53670547024068930852011-11-11T18:52:12.274-06:002011-11-11T18:52:12.274-06:00I don't confuse being gay with being a predato...I don't confuse being gay with being a predator. I've always stressed that to others. However, it happens.<br /> The fellow minister of music (he "came out" to me) who told me of his 1st hand information about this person was also chasing a 19 year old male student himself....& trying to justify it. My "friend" was in his mid 40's at the time. So I would err on the side of protecting children everyday.Ruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36564514.post-71709572997251581672011-11-11T14:52:21.271-06:002011-11-11T14:52:21.271-06:00Ruth, don't confuse being or acting gay with s...Ruth, don't confuse being or acting gay with someone preying on young boys, or young girls for that matter.<br /><br />Marriage is only a cover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com